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4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:21 AM

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Navy SEAL Dies After Accidentally Shooting Himself

Published January 07, 2012

| Associated Press

SAN DIEGO – Navy officials have confirmed that a Navy SEAL who accidentally shot himself in the head has died.

Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Frank Magallon tells the U-T San Diego that Petty Officer 3rd Class Gene "Geno" Clayont, Jr. was taken off life support on Saturday. He is survived by his parents and three sisters.

San Diego police were called on Thursday after the accident. Police say Clayton had gone to a bar and brought a woman back to his apartment and was showing her guns when he put a pistol to his head, believing it was unloaded, and pulled the trigger.

Paramedics took Clayton to a San Diego hospital where he was placed on life support.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 1:02 AM

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hate to say it but it kinda leaves me feeling disgusted reading about this...

I mean, damn, really? I am betting the guys on his team are seriously pissed at him about now.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 20 weeks ago, 9:13 AM

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 1:35 AM

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stupid is right

i dont care if its a real gun or one made of chocolate i am not pointing it at my head and pulling the trigger.I'm sure it took the girl about 20 minutes until she found another sailer to date.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 9:52 AM

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Damn rights LBC

you just can't fix STUPID....or maybe you can/he did....hmmmm......Hopefully the next sailor she snags has a bit more going on upstairs......

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 11:52 AM

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Just saying.. yeah we all do stupid things, and don't want to sound all conspiratorial.. but

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 1:27 PM

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her to his place. Began the "I'm a stud" routine trying to impress her. With alcohol in his brain there was no room for good judgment. "Hey baby, check out this pistol" .....BOOM.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 1:57 PM

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she... im just scared of guns..

he... nah.. safe as can be..let me show ya..

Amazing whats going on out on Coronado.. first the live in kills her self..(with both hands and feet tied) .. then the four that are shot on new years.. two of them pilots.. when Coronado goes south something is way wrong.. Anybody but daisy and i remember the "pre" bridge days..

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 6:02 PM

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"Barney Google"
The only underage nookie I ever picked up was @ the Fleet Landing, foot of Broadway. I friend was in the phone booth trying to line up some women. I saw a gal sitting on the closed for business shoeshine stand. I talked with her for awhile, went back over to my friend, borrowed a little bus money and took her to another friend's (shack job) house. We had a pretty good time for a few days then the cops showed up ;<(

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 3:45 PM

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sad but stupid

personally i feel bad for the girl,his folks,and his team,in that order.thats exactly what happens when you become complacent.i remember hearing in shop class its always the guy who"knows what hes doing" that cuts his arm off with a skill saw he pinned the guard on,and speaking from my experiances in construction and machinery it seems to be the case.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 8:32 PM

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Very sad. Maybe he shouldn't 've tried so hard to impress the poor girl...or he had other issues.

4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:10 AM

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From what I've heard

he wasn't even pined yet with his Trident, had just completed BUDS.

tell you what. I wasn't trying to impress anyone but...

I had been into the Dr's office for a check up after Spine Surgery. I do not go anywhere without a pistol on me. So while at his office they give me a shot because of severe pain, they had bruised the Sciatic Nerve on my left side inducing drop foot and continuous cramping along with the pain.

Demerol shot, no pain, brother drives me home. I get there and decide I don't need the pistol on me, or even loaded at this point so I decide to make it cold and put it in a drawer in the coffee table.

Out of the holster, jack the round in the chamber out, drop the slide and point it at my couch and drop the hammer. Everyone in the house ran into the living room and were a bit freaked out. I looked at each of them and then back at the couch and screamed BAD COUCH!

It will not happen again, but it opened my eyes to how it can happen to those that feel they are very safe.

I actually tell this to each CCW class I give and a few other examples.

Altered states and firearms do not mix in the least, even if you are highly trained with years of experience.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:32 AM

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BAD COUCH..

ha ha.. afraid i wasn't quite that quick.. really did have loss of fine finger movements, remember thinking ok don't touch the trigger.. Can't tell you how many times i've been in situations that were more critical, no loss of fine finger movements.. matter of fact i remember reading about same and dismissing it.

NOPE for real.. fingers almost feel disconnected, this was my first and last experience with this experience.. Had a number of times it could have happened later with the dept.. didn't, so i expect this was a case of my mind not being able to process what had transpired..

I didn't trust myself to drop the hammer, and of course being a cdr made that worse.. took what seemed like forever before i was settled enough to drop the mag, and even then cycled slide as opposed to dropping hammer..

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:41 AM

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in the lobby with us.

I had just loaded my CZ and put it in my back pack in the top pocket where I keep it cocked and locked. It gives me a second option if the need arises.

Anyway, I put my pack on the ground next to my chair and go up to the counter to put some things up. I hear BANG, turn and Larry is holding my Pistol in one hand with this totally blank look on his face, the pistol is kind of dangling in his hand. I check and make sure n oone in hit, checked larry again because he was in total shock, as I am looking him over I reached up and placed my thumb between the hammer and slide, took the pistol, dropped the mag, cleared the chamber and put it on the counter.

He actually blamed me for having a loaded gun in my Back Pack at first. Anyway, he was stuck. When we talked about it a few days later he told me that he thought about what he needed to do, but his body wouldn't do a damn thing.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 20 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

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But this just sounds wrong... I to have to wonder if this is the truth or only part of the story.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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the truth

i'm guessing this is only part of the story.

4 years 20 weeks ago, 8:42 PM

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Welcome aboard Leann..

A women's perspective is ALWAYS (k most always lol) welcomed around here..

Jump in and join the conversation.. on any issue.. open forum, and any questions or opinions are appreciated..

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 8:46 PM

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So odd.. in all honesty i just can't see a pro doing this.. unless it was just to show off.. at any rate sad.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 8:48 PM

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Where's ebear????????

I lived in Glendale several years ago, an apartment on Bethany Home Rd.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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Well, trust me I need to watch my language at times...at least my kids tell me that. I tell them it all those yrs. at Autozone. lol Bethany Home isnt too far from me.

4 years 20 weeks ago, 9:10 PM

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I used to shoot at the night matches at (was it) Black Mountain Range. It's been awhile :<)

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 5:03 PM

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Actually I'm a Yuma

Actually I'm a Yuma Criminal.....heehee..haven't heard of that ..Shooters world or Ben Avery (Bens' nice for the rifles):)

4 years 20 weeks ago, 5:33 PM

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times in the canals...

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My Dad wroked out at YPG, he's retired now. My daughter joined the Navy in Oct. 2010, half way through boot camp she dislocated her knee(3rd time). She was sent home on med dischrg had surgery in Jan 2011. She said it was the hardest thing (boot camp) she ever did.

Nothin like the dunes, canals and goin to the river....

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Boot camp,

now that's something that I will never forget, that was brutal, I remember waking up at the end of my second week thinking "what in the fuck did I get myself into?" USCG '88 to '91. LBC is a Marine, I'm sure he has stories to tell. LBC, was your 'basic' at Paris island or San Diego?

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 6:14 PM

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now that's something that I will never forget, that was brutal, I remember waking up at the end of my second week thinking "what in the fuck did I get myself into?" USCG '88 to '91. LBC is a Marine, I'm sure he has stories to tell. LBC, was your 'basic' at Paris island or San Diego?

i was saying that before the bus stopped and i hit the yellow footprints,and i was a hollywood Marine.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
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LOL! The recruiter

filled me with so much bullshit, that it took a while to realize the severity of my situation, but realize I did....LOL!

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one of the brothers

brought a hair dryer to bootcamp,DI walks by,spots it,picks it up,shows it to another DI,who eyes up the homeboy and says"officer material",walks away

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 6:47 PM

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Officer material,

a hairdryer and about four years of college....LOL

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nasty jobs they sent over to MCRD for some jarheads to do it.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 6:52 PM

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nasty jobs they sent over to MCRD for some jarheads to do it.

we watched you squids "training" lessee was it right over left'or left over right?"the rabbit runs down the hole and around the tree" and my favorite,as we ran by,close enough so you guys could hear"aaaooogaaahhh! going for a boat ride!

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 6:55 PM

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Coast Guard sucked,

squad 'humping' telephone pole sized logs down the beach in knee deep water, man that's for 18 year old's, it would kill me today....I was an A and P (air frame and power plant) mechanic, but everyone had to do it.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 7:35 PM

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quit right then and there!
Still, there were the bad times. They made us get up before 8AM and we had to walk to breakfast.
Once, in the afternoon when they brought the ice cream out to us some of it was melted, damn!

Then there was SERE training... "Oh yes. please punch me in the mouth again, I love it!"

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 7:51 PM

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had a buddy in about the same time as me.......not so rough duty.....lol

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 8:05 PM

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Company Commanders and the Air Force has Activities Facilitators.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 10:07 PM

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Thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhpttttttttttttttttttt

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 20 weeks ago, 10:28 PM

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Boot Camp Blues..

Not here.. loved it.. as daisy said Navy was a slide.. The only issue for us was the cold.. being a cold weather wimp and all.. i wind up at Great Lakes in Jan.. It's cold at Great Lakes in March or April.. Real cold in Jan.

You guys remember the what 80 something count manual of arms.. heavy ass Garands. and we had those puppys with us at all times.. Remember being a road guard, and running ahead to guard port arms guard the roads.. no traffic but we posted those (me and some other fool) road guard every intersection.. For some odd reason they really wanted us to march a lot and march we did..

Daisy (any of you Navy guys) remember the "jump".. this was a tower.. felt higher than it was at the top of one of the old blimp buildings. There was one way off that thing.. it was supposed to simulate jumping off a ship.. simulated a high tower in a blimp building..

Those were honestly good days..

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 10:42 PM

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joined they were still using the 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfields. :<)

Are you talking about the tower at the swimming pool? That sucker was high and I was not a swimmer at that time, but I learned QUICK. Only way to go off the plank on the tower was look straight ahead and walk, looking down made it VERY difficult.

16 count manual of arms. 5 and dive! Screw down that white hat :<)

We stood "clothes line watches". After midnight standing next to a clothesline to make sure it did not get attacked by communists got boring. Slip muzzle of rifle into eye of eyebolt that held the actual line of the clothes line, rest weight on rifle, go to sleep :<)

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 12:53 AM

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And yes that sucker was up there.. sorta scared of heights to start with, and being up in the rafters of that hanger was stretching it.. Just peer pressure that makes you do it.. That and the CPO that told us NOBODY walks down those stairs.. Had a couple of beefy burritos up there to insure that didn't happen.

I drew the mid to 0400 snow shovel duty.. least that made since. i remember that clothesline watch.. shoveling snows more work, but least has a point to it..

Remember the Garand on the finger tip drills.. first company that drops a rifle got shot or something .. can't remember what the "risk/reward" was, but remember how loud that rifle sounded when it hit the concrete deck..

On the manual of arms.. for Lucky and or other Marines.. The most impressive thing ive ever seen with a rifle is the Marine corp drill team.. Sure you guys have seen this.. At the end the Sgt Major walks between two columns of men who are "spin" throwing bayo'd AR's across both in front and behind him. Makes the "rockets" look like armatures.

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:06 PM

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tower

ok, guys, my daughter is saying the tower is not that high at all. She says it's an easy jump...lol

4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:19 PM

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awful high up to me ;<(
Really though, I got over my anxiety with high places and jumping off them a long time ago.

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:25 PM

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towers

I went skydiving for my birthday a couple of years ago..loved it..now to go back to vegas and jump off the stratsphere..and thats a girls trip.

4 years 20 weeks ago, 6:48 PM

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got to be the routine.

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 12:40 PM

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routine

I think that was all there to do....lol That's why i went to the big city, Phoenix.

She was in Great Lakes (and being born and raised in AZ) quite the xperience..I think she called me a for week wanting to come home.. I told her to suck it up...She was a depper for almost 8 mo. and everyday I told her it will be the hardest thing she does. I come from a military family. Well, she's home in college and working full time.

4 years 19 weeks ago, 12:50 PM

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She gets med treatment at V.A.? If she is med retired has she gotten into Tricare and Express Scripts?
It's too bad she was not cut out for the military but there are many just like her. They go on to make excellent contributions to our country in other lines of work.

I was not cut out to work for a living so the military was a natural choice LOL !
How ya doin' today?

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:01 PM

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no bennys

She doesnt get anything..She was over being homesick and had the mindset to stick it out then blew out her knee.

Good, how bout you?

4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:12 PM

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Having a good day here. 'Sposed to start heavy rain this afternoon, snow predicted Wednesday so carried in enough firewood to carry through.
I had the 500 gallon propane tank filled just under 3 years ago and still have 70% left, wood for the winter cost $260.
No brainer there LOL
I enjoyed living in the Valley Of The Sun, too much to do there. All my fav outdoor stuff just a few minutes away. Sun, shooting, river and rappelling.

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:22 PM

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Sounds like a great place to live!

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oops..lol

oops..

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Hi leanneshu

welcome to guns lot have A GREAT time..................TY

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leanneshu..

Fill us in.. what do you shoot..guessing were all impressed with the Avery thing..(for you non az guys old Ben's is a beautiful range located north of PHX..

Very nice facility for those in the city, and as lean'r says, is great for rifles.. Guessing Reap knows much more about it than I do..

the shooters world is pretty much ok place.. just a bit expensive.. least ive found their retail prices are..

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weapon of choice, nothing wrong with that (at least it ain't a Hi-point) we won't get into that quagmire again, Hi point Hank (or whatever he calls himself now....CMDR?) will be back to exact vengeance as his mighty $150 God smites us....LOL

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 12:56 PM

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Husband and I take out an enfield .303 , a M1A1 and others.. Ben has some nice improvements
I do like my bersas' and I'm a fan of safety..And being a woman the gun fits nicely in my hand.

Yes, shooters world prices r high..but I do like the indoor range..

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She had a SAA colt I gave her for valentines day, decided to show of for a fried of hers... She was "assuming" that it was unloaded. I don't believe in empty guns. Just over priced clubs without bullets. Anywho, she went to demonstrate her quick draw and blew a hole through my office. Luckily, nobody was hurt since she did remember to never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy. Needless to say, she learned a valuable lesson that day.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 10:21 PM

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At an age where that could mean anything.. so let me Qualify it.. accidental weapons discharge..

I always heard that it was just a matter of time, and that if you shot enough it was going to happen sooner or later... this in maybe the most embarrassing things thats ever happened to me, but a good lesson.. those warnings were ignored, as i honestly didn't think it could EVER happen to me.. I was or at least thought i was a master of the whole SA thing.. yeah right..

Had an Apt down in Tucson..1983 or so, stone sober.. did my evening drills.. this was early ppc stuff, had a light weight cdr. the defensive load was 185 gr CCI.. don't know if you guys remember them or not.. they were called flying ashtrays as the hollow point was so large.. My drill was a few mag changes, then the dime on the front sight trigger drills..

I had finished up the dime on the front sight.. changed over to the CCI loaded magazine.. (this is where all went south...and i was a tad more "focused" back in those days) i went condition one.. Drew a sight picture on an ashtray owned by the girl friend.. BLAAMM!!!

Since that AD i've revued it a thousand times.. to this day i have no idea how i went on auto pilot.. really was sober and straight..

Quiet apartment one moment and a cordite filled explosion room a second later.. Girl friend comes out of the kitchen crying... i lose all fine finger movements.. been in some stuff guys, but telling you there is NO preparing for an event like that.. it was like slow motion getting that safety on..

The ashtray was in a thousand pieces.. most of the bullets energy was taken up by the coffee table.. It's WAY embarrassing to this day, and offered only as a "it can happen".. i honestly did NOT believe it could ever happen to me..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:22 PM

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accidental discharges

greg az wrote:
accidental discharges. (it CAN happen)
At an age where that could mean anything.. so let me Qualify it.. accidental weapons discharge..

lol! Never trust a fart!

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 6:37 PM

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bwaaahahahah!

bwaaahahahah!

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 10:48 PM

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Umpteen years ago I was setting next to the stereo tuning in a station. A friend was looking at my 1911. There was no round in the chamber...until he pulled the slide back, he did not have a clue how guns of any kind worked, he pulled the trigger and the stereo disintegrated next to my head, the window sill turned to splinters. I told him to stop, lay the gun down. I asked him if he knew the gun was ready to fire again. "Nope" he said.
If you pick up a gun in my house I will have taken the magazine out before you pick it up. I remove them for ALL company.
Another close one was when my oldest bro & I were at home by ourselves. I was 14 years old. I was sitting against the LR wall, he was across the room holding a .22 rifle. He told me to toss up the house key. I did and he fired. Bullet missed the top of my head by a full 4"- Miss is as good as a mile? No, a miss is a hit that almost happened

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 11:45 PM

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WOW..

Im sorry for ya brother.. proves the good Lord wanted you around lou.. I almost didn't post this, but thought nope, if it saves one life then worth it.. Sure didn't believe it could ever happen.

I "think" the bottom line on mine was that i was so focused on the drills.. I spent quite a bit of time in the evening doing the dime drill.. as i said i've critiqued this a thousand times, i still can't believe it happened.

The only thing that saved the day (and possible life) was that i always practiced the "don't point at any thing you dont want to shoot" part of gun safety.. thats the thing, i practised all issues of gun safety, were not talking about a "geez" now.. this was back in the day when i knew what was going on everywhere around me. Focus is just a word unless you really are, then its a way of life.. i was..

Bottom line is that i went on auto pilot with a loaded gun...a humbling experience..

On a lighter note your story about the .22 reminded me of my cousin back in Illinois.. he blew a hole thru the wall with a .410.. The story is that the trigger somehow got caught in the blanket while he was watching TV.. the back story is they lived in the country..old farm house, and Jim was watching "creature feature" in the middle of the night. got scared and took his shootie to bed with him..

You guys that come from ...shall we say "humble" roots will appreciate this one.. absolute fact, they ran the TV antenna wire thru the "ready made" hole in the wall.. this would have been good except it was higher than the TV.. and looked for all the world like someone shot a hole in the wall and ran a TV antenna thru it..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
4 years 20 weeks ago, 11:57 PM

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He had cleaned his firearm sitting on his couch and his wife came in to say something. I guess it was to the effect of him cleaning his weapons else where. So he had put the mag back into his duty weapon, and just drops it back out and points it at her ass as she is walking away and presses the trigger (BAM!) he for got he had also jacked a round into the chamber without thinking about it because he did it so often it had become ingrained.

After a series of operations she is learning to walk again.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:16 AM

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By the way.. Can't say im in awe of many.. one of the exceptions is Jerry Miculek.. ISD is the guy as great a person as i've heard.. He was scheduled to do a seminar at gun site up in Pauldin a few years ago..

Don't know what happened, but it didn't come off.. Think this was a little after Col Jeff passed away..Not sure if he ever made an appearance or not.. just know the guys fantastic..and told he's just as solid in person..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:29 AM

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Greg

He is always friendly and approachable to everyone when at the Matches here in Florida. All of the really dedicated shooters are really. The ones with the Ego's tend to burn out or people ignore them enough they either come around or go away.

I am probably biased, but Cliff is probably the nicest Pro Shooter I've met, but then again I get to throw French Fries at him on Tuesday Nights too. sooo... hehe

Jerry and Cliff are very much alike and it's funny when they get to talking and picking at each other. The banter is on a different level to say the least.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 20 weeks ago, 10:20 AM

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He went to a bar, picked up the babe. Took her to his place and did some serious foreplay. After an hour or two of swappin' slobbers he got his hand into her skivvies and found that "she" was better equipt than he was. Roberta turned out to be Robert, ya think?

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 10:03 AM

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I may be naive but, I would have expected better weapons sense from a Navy SEAL even toasted.

4 years 19 weeks ago, 11:26 AM

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regrettably it just doesn't play out that way in the real world .

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