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3 years 37 weeks ago, 11:57 AM

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Need a bit of help

Ive have been trying to do a bit of research to find exactly what unit my papaw was in when he was stationed in the phillies during WWII. Does anyone know a website with a complete list of names of those who served in the philles during WWII that were american? There are 2 people that I know of that were in the phillies during WWII, one Being my papaw Staff Sergeant Marcus H Ramey and a man I assume he was friends with which my brother has the pic of my papaw and this man. The man's Rank is unknown to me but his name is Laurence Bowman from either North Dakota or South Dakota or somewhere in the area. Basicly I am doing a bit of research to find out exactly what my papaw did during his time in the phillies and see what battles he praticipated in and also see what weapons he may had carried( such as maybe the M1 Garand or B.A.R) not sure what he carried. And I am not sure what he did in the years he was there. Can anyone help?

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 12:10 PM

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My papaw Staff Sergeant Marcus H. Ramey
Here is my papaw and his friend Laurence or Lawrence Bowman. Not sure how to spell the mans name (First and Last) but you all get the general Idea of his name. Anyways this is a pic from when papaw was in the phillies in WWII.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 11:06 AM

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 12:28 PM

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You may try this:
http://www.history.army.mil/reference/records.htm

it will be a start at least. I am researching my Uncle, whom I was named after. It is interesting to learn a bit of history of the family.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:34 PM

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Thanks Clint.

That helped a bit.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:36 PM

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What are the chances that my papaw saw Douglas MacAurthur in the flesh back in WWII? My guess is 80% chance he saw General MacAuthur. What do you guys think?

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:42 PM

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Thinking out loud

Not much way of knowing one way or the other.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 5:28 PM

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Thinking out loud

Vaquero, don't go doin that or you will tear down that new building you are putting up! Hope you are doing good my friend.

3 years 36 weeks ago, 7:12 PM

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Sorry shug

Ya lost me on that one. Please elaborate.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 7:28 PM

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Just thought

that if you go to thinking too much out loud, all them brain waves would crash into the walls of the building and just tear it down before you got it up proper. It just made my imagination run wild about what could happen if we thought out loud. Just having some fun my friend.

3 years 36 weeks ago, 7:57 PM

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No worries

When I think out loud its outside. Kinda the "if a tree falls in the forest" deal.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:46 PM

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Yep your right. I wish I could find something that atleast said my papaw was in the general area of general macauthur. But I guess it will be one of many of the unanswered questions I will run across.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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Did you know your papaw?

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:51 PM

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He died in 1985 of cancer. I was born in February 19th 1990. Never got to meet him.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:54 PM

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My condolences

That's a shame.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:55 PM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 37 weeks ago, 4:58 PM

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How's the southeast this afternoon?

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:01 PM

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Quitting time

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:02 PM

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:30 PM

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Bummer on the truck. I wore a T and shed my jacket around noon, left it off. 65 right now.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:40 PM

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snake did you

get anywhere with this? not sure what a papaw is but was he army? any idea what unit?what island he was on?what job he did? no telling if he ever saw McCarthur without more info.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:49 PM

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Never met the man,dont know the unit,dont know what he was tasked with. All I know is he was in the Army and was Discharged in 1946. Served in the Phillies,had a what I assume to be a friend by the name Lawrence? Laurence? Bowman fron either North or South Dakota.

And Papaw is a term for Grandpa. See i use this term to help tell the difference between my granpa's.

I have 4 grandpa's 2 step grandpa's (James,Ulan) and to Family Granpa's (Rodney,Marcus) 3 of the 4 are deceased.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:55 PM

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okay

Army,discharged in 1946,served in the phillipines( i think thats what your referring to right?).Staff Sgt.Marcus H Ramey,is that correct?

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:58 PM

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Correct.

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 5:59 PM

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check this out http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/

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3 years 37 weeks ago, 6:01 PM

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Granny has just remembered a little bit here. Bless her heart nearly 81 years old so her memory is a bit foggy. But she says she is pretty sure he was in Manila.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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How was you're Valentie's day. I have not been able to get on here. I hurt my leg, and in the same day I hurt my right arm , But I am getting better, I Which I could help you out, but I will tell you you're Granny may be 81 year's. But we can learn a lot from them. Don't give up.

3 years 36 weeks ago, 5:29 PM

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Valetines day was ok I suppose. More like "Singles Awareness Day" for me though lol. Anyways I hope you get better soon. Yes I have learned a lot from my granny. She has great stories from her childhood.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 10:09 PM

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Oh Sorry to hear that. I had not heard from you. I am doing a little better.

3 years 36 weeks ago, 7:05 PM

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 7:28 PM

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 8:28 PM

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Anyone know what rank "Lawrence"? "Laurence" Bowman is Judging by his uniform? (The guy in the hat). Im wanting to say sergeant? for some reason. Without knowin I would be afraid to say.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 11:14 PM

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Which one is your grandfather in the photo? Both men are wearing hats. One a ball cap (the one on the left), the other what we used to call (in the navy) a "piss cutter." If your grandfather is on the left then my bet is that the other one is a Sergeant First Class or perhaps another Staff Sergeant. If, however, the one on the right is your grandfather, the guy in the ball cap would most likely be either a corporal or sergeant (E-4 or E-5). This is based strictly on observation and a certain knowledge that particularly during that era, it was very rare for officers to have photos taken with "Junior NCO's" (E-4 through E-6 would be the "Jr. NCO's") and also pretty rare for NCO's of any caliber to have photos taken with non-NCO's. Also, even today, senior NCO's are rarely without a "proper" cover on when outdoors. This is why I think the guy on the right could be a equal to or higher in rank than the other. That's my .02. I hope that you get the information you are seeking. I had a Grandfather and three great uncles who all served during WW2. One of the uncles was an uncle by marriage, but even my aunt was in the WAAC. They all survived, and I have no idea where any of them served. Unfortunately, All but one of them are dead now, and I don't know if anyone in the family managed to get the information about where they served.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 10:49 AM

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Ya know my eyes arent the best and the picture is faded a bit so I didnt see the Ball cap on my papaws head. The man on the left is my pawpaw. Thanks for the info pal. This has helped a lot.

What do ya know about there uniforms they are wearing? I just know some basic history on WWII and weapons used, I know nothing of the clothing.

I want to express my thanks to all of those in your family that served in WWII and I want to thank you also for your service. God Bless.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 1:12 AM

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Mostly what I know is that during WWII, Korea and even through most of Viet Nam, Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen were required to be "In Uniform" whether on post or not. I also know that during working hours, Junior Enlisted (E-6 and below) wore a ball cap type cover or in the sailor's case the "Popeye" or "Gilligan" covers. Marines wore the cap that had "5 points" I think, if they were not wearing their "Steel Pots." Laurence or Lawrence is wearing what we called a "Piss cutter" and I know that Senior Enlisted (E-7 and above) and officers wore them most of the time because their jobs tended to be more administrative than hands-on and they weren't as likely to mess up the cover. I also know that while E-7's did not often mix with E-5 and below, they would often mix with E-6's as it would be likely that they had gone to boot camp together or served in units together at similar ranks. During combat operations, they might mix a bit more so than during peacetime operations, but because the senior enlisted and officers often had to pick personnel for patrol duty, night guard duty and so forth, they tried not to get too friendly with someone who they might have to send out on a patrol they didn't survive.

I don't know where the "piss cutter" got its name nor why. I just know that the Army, Marines and Air Force wear them in both enlisted and officer ranks. When I was active, the only Sailors who wore them were E7 to E9 and officers, or in some cases female sailors. The women's version is flatter than the men's version of the cap.

Some of what I know is from my time on active duty. Some from watching movies and documentaries on WWII then doing research on different jobs. Based on what I see in this picture, my guess is that your PawPaw very possibly worked as a mechanic in a motor pool. This does not mean that he didn't fight or that he didn't go out on patrol, he very well could have. Particularly if you consider that MacArthur was ordered out of the Phillipines and then returned. If this picture is taken after the Phillipines were retaken, then I would have to agree that the odds would indeed favor your grandfather having been in the vicinity of MacArthur.

From what I can see if this picture, it appears that they are in a "rear" area, or near the docks. I can't really see what is behind them but it looks like they are standing near a walk that borders some water. They don't have any sidearms or rifles that can be seen but those could be just out of frame. Also, they don't have any "Leggings" on which were required especially in the Phillipines to keep "critters" from crawling up their pants legs. Both of these are violations that could get them in some degree of trouble. Any soldier from a front line unit was required to have their weapons on their person or at least within arms reach at ALL times unless they were in a rear area where you might find a PX. This was actually a court martial offense I think. The no leggings would only get them a few extra hours of work and a mark in their unit records for being "Out of Uniform."

It is possible that your grandfather and "Lawrence" had gone to boot camp together and were actually serving in different units in the Phillipines and ran into each other. It is also possible that if your grandfather was a mechanic, he was assigned to the motor pool that took care of MacArthur's vehicle and "Lawrence" was one of MacArthur's drivers. "Lawrence" could also be your grandfather's supervisor. There are just too many possible scenarios for this photo without having more information on both men. I hope that this has helped. I know that I may have inflated your hopes that your grandfather could have been around MacArthur but it is also possible that he never saw the man, or was even within miles of him.

Please tell your Granny that I appreciate her sacrifice in lending your PawPaw to Uncle Sam for his service as well. BTW, I knew what you meant by "PawPaw" as that is what my mother's father was called. He died when I was only 10 days old. Ironically, my grandmother (MawMaw) outlived him LITERALLY 40 years and 1 day!

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 1:15 AM

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Bit of bad news here

My wife passed away at 9:30pm tonight

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 1:21 AM

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Please accept my sincerest condolences! Just out of curosity, had she been ill lately or in bad health? I haven't been around long enough to know much about anyone here.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 1:48 AM

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my sincerest condolences and heartfelt prayers.

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3 years 36 weeks ago, 1:53 AM

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have been emailing some of her friends

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Sorry to hear that..........we are here for you and you and your family will be in our prayers.

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