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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:12 AM

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On another forum I frequent on a totally different subject a question was posed that went something like this: If you had to choose ONE and ONLY one rifle in a SHTF survival scenario, what would you choose?

As you can imagine, answers came back from Mossberg 500s to AR-15s to AK-47s--the whole gamut. What surprised me was the number of people who insisted their trusty .22 rifle was the ONE rifle they would choose.

I was aghast and said so. A survival rifle has to be versatile enough to drop your dinner or defend yourself against the zombies. Yet people wrote back and said they totally disagreed with me and their .22 would be their rifle of choice. I said I would report this issue to a real firearm forum and report back what YOU guys said.

I'll go ahead and take it in the shins if you agree that a .22 is the survival rifle of choice, given everything else out there. So do you?

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:18 AM

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need some advice here on the .22 issue.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:32 AM

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The .22 is easy to get, small size ammo is easy to store a large quantity in a small space, most game can be taken with a .22 and nearly everyone can fire the .22 without an issue. Also if your outdoors the .22 is light and you could still carry a boatload of ammo. Now my take I would like somthing bigger like rifle in 7.62x39 ammo is easy to find, better knock down power( both game and people) and the recoil is easy to get used to like anything else, I would go with an AK or the like with sythetic furniture to cut weight, a shotie is a good idea too but the limited range is an issue for me, if I sense a threat in the post SHTF world I am not going to let them get close enough to get blasted with a shottie IMHO. Hope this helps.

5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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The only advantages I see is that ammo is cheap, so you could stock pile alot of it. I guess if you were only making head shots it would do the job. I wouldn't mind having one for a backup to the AK!

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:41 AM

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Bauer has covered all

of the benefits of the .22 and I agree that it would be one of my choices
and I also agree that my main choice would be my AK-47, you just can't
stop that gun. I have six family members and plenty of weapons to go
around so I would never limit myself (my family) to taking just one gun.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:57 AM

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this is tough

I going back and forth between a .22, a 12 ga. and an AR/AK. my thoughts...

.22: would be great for small game. accurate enough and easy to shoot. It could be used against human/zombie threats because you could put a lot of rounds on target very quickly. (putting 8 .22 rounds center mass in a second or two). Downside is that you wouldn't be able to take larger game. you would be limited to small game and varmints.

12 ga.: would be a great choice. All types of ammo for all types of game. from light bird shot to turkey shot to buckshot to slugs... you could take down pretty much anything in north america if you can get within range. Not to mention if would be great for human defense and zombies. Only down side would be the number of shot you can put on target in a swarm of zombies and limited range.

AR or AK: Good rounds for humans and zombies. High mag cap. large enough to take down most game up to deer size (with a good clean shot from .223). Downside is the they are overkill for smaller game such as rabbits, squirrels, birds, etc... which would most likely be the most abundant food source.

I'm gonna say I'd probably take my M4 because I have the most mags and ammo for it. It wouldn't totally devastate small game as much as the 7.62x39, and will do a great job on medium sized stuff. I'm not too confident in that decision because I sure would like to have a .22 and 12ga. also. I think in a perfect survival scenario, not necessarily me, but the group that I’m with, should have a shotgun, .22 and a "get down to business" rifle. A sidearm wouldn't hurt either. I'd probably bring my G20.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:02 PM

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I agree with group thing but if it were just me I go with my earlier thoughts, thats for adding to this, I think we got one of those threads that everyone is going to chime in on this could get interested!

5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:18 PM

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There are a lot of survival pieces issued in 22. Everyones seen the 60 era "in stock" survival rifle from Armalite that had some, but limited government purchase.. I'm told that the Walter P-22 is an issue piece to German pilots, and a number of NATO air forces.. I don't have anything on this that isn't anecdotal so worthless as fact, but i have no reason not to believe it..

I would think the rationale here would be that it would be used for small game, and as a pistol is a defensive weapon to start with the idea of stoping power is trumped by discreet sound pattern, weight, and its ability to harvest small animals.. Factor in the old adage that more people have been killed by a 22 than any other caliber.. That was a fact, and i remember seeing data on it back in the 80's...

I question that it still is given the number of gang shootings in 9MM and that a comon street slang is "he was 9'd and lined" im thinking the numbers might have changed.. At any rate i have no doubt that if you asked us which caliber we would take, if we could only take one, a small percent would take the 22.. Most opting for some caliber, and man it would be hard to argue that a 12 ga wouldnt be the perfect all around one weapon.. that or a 6" 357.. Let the fun begin..

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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Another survival must

would be my Bear compound bow and a shit load of arrows cause
bullets don't last forever but carbon fiber arrows with titanium tips do.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 4:40 PM

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AMEN to that Hamp!!!

Im totally with U right there!!!!

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:31 PM

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Slugs for bigger game, shot for all else. Versatile, durable, ammo is plentiful and relatively cheap in the bird shot dept. Or the reliable 20 ga for the lighter shooters, with same array of ammo. A good sling setup and it goes everywhere.
Just my 2cents worth.

5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:45 PM

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I was thinking one and one rifle only and it had to last me the rest of my life. If ammo were the issue, I could see a .22. I have 10,000 rounds. Used prudently with no more available I see the point. Guess I'd have to get used to a lot of rabbit stew. But if ammo were not the issue and my stash of .223 was just as large, I'd do an AR. I like the idea of a shottie, it's just that I get only one in this scenario. Course i could say fuck the scenario, but that's not playing fair. :-)

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:50 PM

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This got me wondering

Anyone see the movie Zombieland? An instant classic!

5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:21 PM

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zombieland

I saw it. I like woody and was cracking up when they went to bill murray's house. It had a teenager feel to it, but was still a good zombie flick.

When I think about scenarios like schuyler's, I always think of Red Dawn. Wolverines! I heard they're making a new version. In that scenario, I'd definitely want my "get down to business" rifle.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:20 PM

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.22 THE survival rifle of choice??????
I would tend to say yes. Take rabbits, to Elk.
Shot a grouse with my 30-30 Kraig, while elk hunting one year. ( thinking of camp meat) The bird ran behind a bush bout the size of him. I fired into the bush an the bullet found its mark!!! It looked like I shot a feather pillow! An aquaintance of mine, while working @ a mine in northern New Mexico shot and killed an elk, with a .22, shot him behind the ear.
.22 ammo, you can carry a couple hundred rounds easly. 7.62x what ever cartridge you choose, the fewer rounds you can carry.
12 ga. My Remington 870, has rifle sights, its Parkerized( against rust, shining in sun light)
How many rounds can I carry??? My personality is, what do I load first??? the 00buck or the 8 shot??? mabe the slugs?? Mabe a slug then 00, then ??????
Drive myself CRAZY!!! Like goin in the Mexcian food resturant, WHAT DO I WANT???
Remember the .22 is deadly when the bullet placement in right!!!
I have shot Trout in shallow water, and cotton tails on the run, with a .22 Marlin Simi action.
My .22 Ruger Carbine, would be my choice.
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5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:30 PM

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but that's not playing fair. :-)
FAIR??? Like the motto on this Sits says " If you find yourself in a fair fight, your Tactices SUCK" Sneek in a hand gun Lil Brother, and play dumb Mexican!!
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5 years 40 weeks ago, 1:38 PM

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In real life, I'd take 'em all! Now if I can just sneak a couple more into the arsenal.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 2:12 PM

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I had no trouble picking this versatile little carbine with an accurate punch. I love a .22 for survival in lowlands or desert where there is little brush and a lot of open space with smaller game available. However, if you had to survive in the hills with brush, larger animals, and more tight closed in spaces I want a heavier bullet and lighter carbine. The Marlin 336 will provide more knock down, pass through small branches with minimal deflection, and is light & short enough to transit through brush. Another thing about a 30-30 is that it is phenomenally reliable and very simple to use based on and old and trusted design. A decent shot could take a rabbit or squirrel without wasting meat. Your two main choices are the Marlin 336 and the Winchester Model 97.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 3:08 PM

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One & Only One!!

I would hate to see it come to only one weapon, bit if so, I would not feel at a disadvantage with a 22lr or 22mag. Very accurate, bullet placement is not a problem with me, can defiantly feed the family with it, light easy to pack & can carry a boat load of ammo. Everyone here so far puts forth great points, I would really hate to, & hope I never have to have make that one gun choice.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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my answer to this is

M1a...only cause i think its sexy and i like the feel of it

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 4:37 PM

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tough subject

lots of variables,but sticking to the topic parameters I'd start out with my 870,figuring that i could upgrade when the opportunity arose,having said that an M&P 15-22 looks like a good choice for a .22 for that scenario,fitted with a good sight and hi-cap magazines,it would be a real nuisance inside 100 yds.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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The authurs of my Gsmith books are mostly old, and have been around the firearms block a time or two, So I feel they make a good point about which weapon they would use. They all say a .22 LR. As Charles said. And as U said, U may have to get used to rabbit stew, or pheasant, but the other reason these gentlemen say they would use it, would be the scenario in their home. With all the laws there are that are actually in favor of the criminal now days, You basically wanna knock the hell outta them, but @ the same time, like with using a Shottie, or other larger caliber rifle, You need to keep in mind the damage you would have to repair to your home, once the scenario was played out. And BTW!!! I am now on the "Shottie" in-depth books in my studies, So as Catfish88 said, Go ahead, Im sure that'll be my new nickname for awhile!! Thats just my .02 cents worth!

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 4:44 PM

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You think I should use a .22 rifle for home defense?

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 4:52 PM

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My personal opinion??? HELL NO!!!! If I did. I would have my Glock on my lft side and my P99 Walther on my other, and my S&W 9mm close @ hand, But Im a girl. Keep that in mind too... But girl or not? I will take no chances @ someone "again" breaking into my house, and me not be prepared for it... Alarm system or not, I'll just push the "Caution" button, and let the cops clean up my mess. That is where the Girly part can come in... I can play off the, "I was terrified for my life officer" routine, And there ya go!!!! So No I wouldnt, But I do have one close by to use first, and my "Babies" to finish the job afterwards.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 5:04 PM

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:00 PM

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My choice would be.

In a total S.H.T.F. senerio I am going with the AR15. It has enough knock down power for getting meat and dropping zombies. And it will shoot what the zombies will more than likely be carrying.Not to mention you can pick up a mil-spec M16 mag and slap her straight into your AR. I am definenately for having at least one firearm that shoots every caliber the government shoots.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:02 PM

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i agree,how's life treating you in WA?

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:06 PM

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Not to bad. My net was down for almost a month.Had a damn deer take out my internet satelite dish and I had to wait for the money to replace it. I am also getting anxious for early archery season.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:11 PM

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get an archery tag,rifle or shotgun tag,and muzzleloader? can you apply for a doe tag during rifle season there? I'm thinking thats about 3-4 deer possible

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:12 PM

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http://www.henryrepeating.com/h002_survival.cfm

i stumble across this .22 when i was looking for a hunting rifle the other day. hope this helps some how

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:18 PM

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opps

maybe i should of caught up reading first

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:21 PM

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We have to pick our weapon we want to use.Either bow, muzzle loader, or modern firearm for your deer or elk, but we are allowd to hunt all seasons for bear and cougar will what ever weapon.Sometimes a guy can put in for a extra doe tag, but you basically have to know someone to get one of those. I like the challenge of archery, and I have farely successful with it. Not to mention you have not lived till you have a bull elk at 15 yards bugling at you and every hair on your body is standing on end.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:29 PM

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I'd really like to go Elk hunting out west somewhere,I've taken deer with everything but a bow,I traded a handgun for a bow and some cash,then somebody made me an offer on the bow,i only shot it once,in the house,not good.But I'm feeling the urge to go Bear hunting again,cougar would be charge too!

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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September and you practice up with a bow I will take you out and get a elk coming in for you. It is something every hunter should feel at least once in his life.The non-resident fee is kinda brutal, but what is a guy willing to pay for such a awesome exsperience?

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 9:48 PM

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let's see what the future holds,it would be cool.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 10:00 PM

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Where is the over-under ?
My neighbors son is an Air force pilot
and has a 22/410 survival gun.
Sounds pretty good to me
22, bird shot , #4 shot and slugs
not too bad a choice IMHO

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 10:02 PM

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I had a 223/20ga that was nice

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 10:10 PM

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 10:29 PM

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 10:19 PM

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do they make them with .357mag and a 20gauge with a rifled barrel?just for instance still looking for a hunting gun and that whould be perfect for up here.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:39 PM

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357/20ga

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 11:53 PM

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i saw that but they dont make them any more and they are really hard to come by i might just have to find a gunsmith to make one. ive been seaching a few hours now and all i can find in production are rifle rounds and i need one with pistol rounds if im gunna hunt with it. i might when i buy my pistol ask the dealer if he can track one down for me im seeing where they are 700 bucks in auctions. which is a reasonable price i think cause im looking at lever actions that cost 800 bucks and the same with shoot guns. i figure if i can find one and get a rifled barrel ill have a gun that good for range when needed and short distance when not. thank you for looking.

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5 years 40 weeks ago, 12:26 PM

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Practicality?

Lets look at the .22. There are literally megatons of ammunition for a .22 available. You can find it anywhere. There is medium game and some large taken with well placed .22 shots. For decades the .22 has been a favorite of deer poachers. Its small enough for small game and birds (without turning them into bloody pillow stuffing). As greg AZ said " Factor in the old adage that more people have been killed by a 22 than any other caliber." As with anything, bullet placement is the MOST important thing. (Don't bring this fact up in discussions of deer rifles in Texas. You may end up in a fistfight!) If you cant hit it, it don't matter. Miss by an inch, miss by a mile. The lack of stopping power is the only concern for defense. Its gonna be hard to make the crazy guy with a (insert favorite scenario cliché here), or starving pit bull charging you dead in his tracks with it. Other than that, I don't see any reason that the .22 shouldn't be it. I'm confident is a .22 is the only thing I had, i could make do.

Initial personal preference inside the question, choice would be an AR. Plenty of ammo out there for scavenging. With all the recent additions of replacement uppers and conversion kits lets you use a plethora of ammo from .22 to .50 Beowulf.

The thing I don't like about these types of question is that its too restrictive. in a real world situation, you start with what you have, and scavenge for what is available. You may have to abandon your AK after a few months if you don't have any more ammo, and pick up a .couple of hunting rifles ans shoties found in an abandoned house with some ammunition. Restricting yourself to one weapon is for movies and prissy weekend warriors and rich deer killers that refuse to try to learn how to adjust their selves to to something new. Anyone who would say definitely they would only stick with one weapon, is probably not gonna make it too long in a long term disaster that is gonna require you to live on the land and your wits.

If you start the disaster with your trusty .38 and 12 ga home defense weapons, find your neighbors .270 deer rifle, do you take it and the available ammo to add extra weight, drop one of your home def's for it, or leave it hoping to find something better? Is it just you, or you and your wife, kids? Firiends? Its the decisions you make in the disaster that make the difference. Those of us with multiple firearms and good stocks of ammunition, water and food and survival plan will probably better off to begin with. But Remember Sgt. Murphy's rule - 'No Plan survives frst contact with the enemy'. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

5 years 40 weeks ago, 5:43 PM

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22......

I agree with what has been said. personally i will not have just one firearm/weapon. But i will make sure i have my marlin 22 stocked up with ammo. quite report, can take most meat sources, easy to handle and saves bigger ammo for defense.

I also have a Savage 22 mag/20 gauge over and under that was my main hunting weapon growing up.< also made a good tree trimmer :) >

Could I survive with a 22 yes and do pretty good at it, would i want that to be my ONLY weapon no.

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Obviously, the choice of a survival rifle is automatically made by what you take with you when you find yourself in that environment. Not many people pack their gear and say "I'm going to to get lost and have to fend for myself for the next couple weeks". Most survival situations occur when someone is doing something else (Hunting, camping, hiking, etc..) In that case, your first choice is whatever you took with you. I have a Henry Survival rifle, but I'm not going to pack it with me if I'm going elk hunting just because it's more versatile than my 300 win mag.

As far as the overall versatility of the .22, it would be high on my list, but definitely not my first choice. My M4 in .223 comes first, followed by the 12 gauge, then all others after that. Would I feel vulnerable with just a .22? Probably not in a survival situation, but I certainly would want something with a bit more punch in a zombie apocalypse or complete societal breakdown.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.

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