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2 years 39 weeks ago, 10:36 AM

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Hello, GS. Long time no see. Been getting pounded at work lately. I hesitate to say, for fear of calling down the thunder, but it looks like the load is lightening. I thought about catching up on all the posts, but there's no way I could. So if I missed anything, sorry.

Anyway, I got good news. I got TBH to green light my next firearm. So, I am trying to decide on what I want.

My wish list is really long, but I've got a few ideas right at the top. I've narrowed it so far to rifle or shotgun. A new pistol will wait. I know, pretty general still.

I've mentioned before I would like to look into an AR, so that's a consideration. I also have been kicking around historic battle rifles like the Mosin, Mauser, Garand, '03 Springfield.

But that's more for play. Practically, I could use a new shotgun. I want to hunt duck, goose, and quail. My current shotty could do it. With a few mods. I can't use steel, so I'd have to use the expensive non-toxics. It only uses 2.75" shells. Not a real issue IMO. I have to make a shotgun plug if I want to be legal. I seem to have lost the original and I can't find one that works. So, I'm kick around the idea of a Rem1100. I'd love the new browning A5, but too pricey.

My funds are up to $700.That's a little problem, especially with the AR.

So, I welcome your opinions. What do think? Rifle or shotty? AR or battle rifle? Should I look at used guns at pawn shops and gun shows? Or try out Cheaper Than Dirt, Cabela's, etc.?

Let me know what you think.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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You could get a decent AR for $700-800 so you're not that far off. It sounds like you need a shotgun though. You can't go wrong with an 1100. You could also look for a used benelli m2 or browning maxus...

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 4:05 PM

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Please consider a O/U field grade shotgun. It saves shells during dove (migratory) season (admit it, how many times have you hit with that 3rd shot?)
It's much lighter for carrying upland bird hunting (those 3 extra shells belong in the bag, not in your tired sore arms). Choke tubes make it a fine goose/duck or turkey gun. I have a Mossberg Silver reserve (way inside your budget) and my hunting buddy has a Yildiz he got at Academy for under 400 I think (good shotgun). Couldn't be simpler as long as you feed it. Real easy to clean too. Don't blow the whole budget on something you don't want to carry out and "use".
Good luck bud!

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:38 PM

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Good idea. I know someone that got a Yildiz from Academy. He had nothing but good things to say. I like ejectors. There's just something fun about opening the barrels and have the shells fly.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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or two. The Mossberg has extractors (they protrude from the chamber and you pull them out), the Yildiz has ejectors (DUCK!) and offers faster reloading. Please tell me that you pick up your empty hulls : )

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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rem 1100 is great gun saint,id never trade mine even if it wasn't grandpas,the prob is they are about 1k new so it is prob out of the range u want to spend.rem 870 grat gun and can be yours for a few hundred,or the moss 500.you may be able to get into a rem 1187 (auto)or 887 (pump)
as far as ar15s go,you could get a dpms,or at least one of the cmmg carbines i know of for 700 ish,among others,and you could build one.i have a forged dpms upper id give ya to help you out if you wan a do a build,and you are serious about it. :)

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:53 PM

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I do like the 1100. If I decide on this I'll get a used gun. I am almost leaning toward the AR right now. I am thinking about indulging myself on this one. Then I can use the practicality angle for the next one. ;)

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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First off.. you nailed on the Young video pard.. Matter of fact im going to do a post about it in a sec. Don't have a lot of time tonight, but that brought up memorys.. Hey on the question.. Guess i always figured ejectors were better cause of the quick reload ability.. Now you have me questioning that.. Told you all im not much of a wing shot, but just assumed i guess.. anyway that makes me rethink the issue.. what is the preffrence.. is this a matter of picking up your rounds the only reason to stay with extractors.. I know that LC Smith of bubs was extractors.. and thought most new guns were ejectors..

Saint what ever you get i'd sure look used first..Lot more for your bucks, and first couple trips out it's going to have a scratch or two anyway.. Think Vaq's right on the OU thing, least it seems like those who are serious bird hunters seem to have them..

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 10:43 PM

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had to take the new pup down to Wickenburg for a "pedi".. stoped at the gun store i always toalk about.. The Colt 38 police special i was looking at is gone, but heres this OLD model 1903 Colt.. some blue, but a lot in the white which made the price look pretty good for an honestly rare old Colt. this is the full sized, not the little 1903.. This one has exposed hammer, and 5 inch bbl.. also 38acp, i was getting serious when Rog filled me in that he couldn't get ammo of it.. i had it confused with a 380.. nope.. guess this is like the 38 super, but down loaded.. anyway hard.. VERY hard to find ammo so gave it up.. still has a NIB colt police positive in 32 new police..(smith and wesson) and a good round.. will see

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:27 AM

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for home defense, small game hunting and shooting 1000yd rifle targets out to 7 feet.
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2 years 39 weeks ago, 10:14 AM

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ha ha.. The Raven joke is now part of the deal.. Something about protecting livestock in there somewhere to but the long range will suffice..That Colt had old all over it, and if i could have shot it would have pictures up already, so lifes good, considering Gloria, three girls, and two granddaugthers in the family, our life joy is sometimes measured in degrees of drama.. The meter is on O and i'm shit'n in tall cotton..

Actually things are going great, the new pup has turned out to be wonderdog.. A new firearm is going to be aquired.. been awhile, and after yours, and now saints i figured i'd test the water, so yesterday on the way back from Wickenburg i ask G to put her bookkeeper hat on and tell me when i could start looking for a new piece.. She tells me that a birthday gift (im in may) has aluded her (sp check in hiding) and that she would love it if i picked out my own present.. So again lifes wonderful, and yes guys.. i am expecting..

lou thought about ya couple days ago the girls were up.. our conversations have recently turned to boys.. till recently they were uukie yukie.. Think a whole new world of drama is set to open in that area.. but we had a great visit.. Next time up im going to see if i can take "momie" with me to the range and teach her to shoot..

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 10:27 AM

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edit dp..

sorry guys.. when your fingers move at the speed of light like mine these things just sorta happen..

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 11:52 PM

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1903 38 acp

kind of a cool pistol all the same. Yeah ammo would be a pain though if you got the brass it could be loaded for.

for the most part they are for collecting and not shooting for the most part

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/10783285/reloading-gear/brass/once-fired-3...

This auction ends in a day or so, it is for 250 cases for reloading...

The ammo can be found, but, I'd look for brass personally and load my own for it...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 39 weeks ago, 11:55 PM

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freaking mouse is going bonkers!!!!

lol

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 39 weeks ago, 12:07 AM

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Good condition.. Looks more like a 1911 then anything.. Talk about early history of Colt huh.. I know that if i pass on this, it's going to go in the "couldashouldawoulda" file.. but yeah the brass and loads are the deal.. sure i can find someplace that does reloads, but no way im going to have a wall hanger.. Roger, and others in the area all have older pieces now that make a lot of since to me.. I've never had a 32-20.. and looking at a couple of those.. I'm still keeping my eye out for two of the same, and might go with the J&G T82's with lanyard loop, and have them cut back to 3" and maybe done in one of the good coatings.. Will see, all i know is i can feel a gun coming up, and the saints talking about it has me ready to do something.. later all.. see ya all in the am..

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 12:51 AM

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is one of the beta's for the beloved 1911. LOL

really, if you look at it, he made come changes, but even SJMB didn't want to put a grip safety on the 1911, it was by the request of the Military because they thought it would be more safe for Horse Soldiers.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 12:02 AM

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check out the CZ shotguns on Buds...

Though not sure how pricey they are, they are top notch Bird guns.

I also noticed they have Arsenal AK's a a pretty good price if you've considered picking up an AK.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/989/products_i...

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 9:02 PM

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I really like CZ products. That O/U looks really nice. I like the CZ 550 American and the FS Mannlicher too.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 12:45 AM

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I have an ou mossberg silver reserve as well she is a shooter,i am very happy with her.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 10:05 AM

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OK, I've decided I'm going with an AR type rifle. I want to get one before Obummer tries to ban them again and the shotgun will be easier to convince my wife of later.
I hadn't made any decisions concerning maker yet, but I know I want 5.56. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for deals, but if I find something at a gunshow, pawnshop, or used gun rack at the local shops and it looks like deal too good to pass up, I'll go with it.

I'll keep y'all updated when my newest baby arrives.

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2 years 39 weeks ago, 7:16 AM

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Saint J.M. Browning wrote:
OK, I've decided I'm going with an AR type rifle. I want to get one before Obummer tries to ban them again and the shotgun will be easier to convince my wife of later.
I hadn't made any decisions concerning maker yet, but I know I want 5.56. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for deals, but if I find something at a gunshow, pawnshop, or used gun rack at the local shops and it looks like deal too good to pass up, I'll go with it.

I'll keep y'all updated when my newest baby arrives.

That's also on my purchase list! I'm thinking about getting a DPMS/Panther from a local retailer who has them for about $600 and will give me an LE discount.

2 years 39 weeks ago, 7:15 AM

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.38 Super

I've thought about picking up one of the Rock Island Armory 1911's in .38 Super just because I think it would be fun to shoot. The ammo price is a real heartbreaker though....

2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:44 AM

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.38 Super is a very good round without a doubt and very accurate. I've shot the Tanfoglio Steel Witness in .38 Super and also an STI in .38 Super. Both were a real pleasure for sure.

But, the cost of ammo has been the reason I shoot firends .38 Supers....

I can not justify paying the price when 9 mm costs so much less and I can it loaded up to 1290 - 1310 fps and get the same performance.

Actually, I shot a 9 mm Largo and a 9 mm Styer, which are just like the .38 Super in that they are a very hot round, accurate, you can shoot further with them but the ammo is $$.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 38 weeks ago, 9:54 AM

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Ishootdaily wrote:
.38 Super is a very good round without a doubt and very accurate. I've shot the Tanfoglio Steel Witness in .38 Super and also an STI in .38 Super. Both were a real pleasure for sure.

But, the cost of ammo has been the reason I shoot firends .38 Supers....

I can not justify paying the price when 9 mm costs so much less and I can it loaded up to 1290 - 1310 fps and get the same performance.

Actually, I shot a 9 mm Largo and a 9 mm Styer, which are just like the .38 Super in that they are a very hot round, accurate, you can shoot further with them but the ammo is $$.

If I might ask what did you shoot these two oddball calibers in?

2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:44 AM

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.38 Super is a very good round without a doubt and very accurate. I've shot the Tanfoglio Steel Witness in .38 Super and also an STI in .38 Super. Both were a real pleasure for sure.

But, the cost of ammo has been the reason I shoot firends .38 Supers....

I can not justify paying the price when 9 mm costs so much less and I can it loaded up to 1290 - 1310 fps and get the same performance.

Actually, I shot a 9 mm Largo and a 9 mm Styer, which are just like the .38 Super in that they are a very hot round, accurate, you can shoot further with them but the ammo is $$.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 39 weeks ago, 8:50 AM

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if your considering an AR I would get it before too long. As it gets closer to the Election prices are going to inflate again.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 38 weeks ago, 11:00 AM

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course the 9MM is 9 X19.. think the largo is a an 18 right.. not sure on that.. the super is i believe 21.. 9 kurtz .there must have been a lot of .355 dies out there or something.

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2 years 38 weeks ago, 5:03 AM

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9mm Largo

I think the 9mm Largo is longer than the 9x19 (9mm Luger.) I'm pretty sure it's a Spanish made round, and Largo meaning long. Not sure though. I saw one once when I was like 15, a guy brought it into the shop to sell to my dad, only wanted like $300 but my dad turned him down because it was such an oddball caliber he didn't know where/if he could get ammo. (This was about 1992 or 1993 and it wasn't in any of our books.)

Here's the wikipedia on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9723mm_Largo

Seems I was right about it being longer, but wrong about it's nation of origin. Well, pobody's nerfect!

2 years 38 weeks ago, 5:16 AM

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9mm Magnum

Kinda wonder why this never caught on! I'd enjoy shooting something like this!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9mm_Winchester_Magnum

2 years 38 weeks ago, 1:27 PM

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No matter what round comes about, the one who designs it has to get the Brass Manufactures to produce it in numbers and prices which can help keep the cots of the end product down.

Wildey, AMT and the others who actually chambered this round were not cheap pistols to begin with in those days. The .475 Wildey Magnum is a mosnter round which is fun to shoot in a pistol designed to shoot it. Brass for the .475 is priced over the top today. You can call and wait for Starline Brass to make a run of it and put in your order, months if not a year or better before hand.

Common loads, not always the most fun, but $2.00 - 3.00 a case for Brass just so you can load it, if not more, is why they don't take off me thinks.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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Most likely

It's usually cost that keeps new things from taking off. Shame, too, so many great ideas out there that might have been.

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