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5 years 31 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

scudrunnernrh

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No Future for Valor?

As we all know, a soldier, marine, airman, or sailor who performs above and beyond the call of duty, who disregards their own safety in the face of an enemy in a combat situation usually receives an award for such actions. Every military branch has their own medal or citation that it issues to fine Americans who earn them. However the question that comes to my mind is, now that we are entering an era where machines are slowly replacing men on the battlefield, will VALOR become a thing of the past? Now that the day when a soldier sends a robot through that hail of bullets to retrieve and save a wounded friend is near, will there no longer be the need for the Bronze and Silver Stars? Will the Congressional Medal of Honor become obsolite? Would Delta operators Randy Shugart and Gary Gordon have received Medals of Honor if they sent in and controled a "gunbot" to protect Super 64 in Somalia? In the near future, when a robot storms an enemy machinegun and opens a path to an obective while saving the lives of countless others, who will be awarded, man or machine? What are yall's thoughts on this subject?

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 12:34 PM

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A American WWII veteran disappears on the eve of a ceremony to award him the Congressional Medal of Honor 50 years after the fact.

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5 years 31 weeks ago, 8:08 PM

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Future of valor

As long as there are men on the ground, there will be acts of valor, bravery, heroics, whatever. If flesh and blood soldiers were ever completely rplaced by an effective robotic army, servicemembers would rejoice. I received an Army Commendation medal with "V" device for valor during my first tour in Iraq for making repeat trips into an exploding ASP (Ammunition Supply Point) looking for my fellow platoon mates who were trapped inside. On my first trip in, I secured the Squad Leader and got him out and some of us kept going back in looking for a soldier who was missing. We would go in, drive around or run from building to building looking and screaming his name until the explosions and heat got to be too much. We'd pull back out, get some water, and head back in. We finally found what was left of him and carried his body out in the early evening. My company commander recommended me for the award based on some things I supposedly did. I'm not going to lie, I appreciated the gesture, but I would give every medal, ribbon, award, and paycheck the army's ever given me to have PVT David Evans alive today. The squad leader we got out referred to me as his "guardian angel" and one of the soldiers who was severely injured had short-term memory loss from traumatic brain injury but he said the one thing he could remember when the explosions started was what I taught him during an urban combat class where I taught the soldiers how to react if a grenade was thrown into the room they're in. The investigators after the incident said his actions kept him alive. To have a fellow soldier call me his guardian angel and to know that something I taught a soldier literally saved his life gave me a better feeling than a hundred Medals of Honor could. I personally wish it could have been a robot in there rather than a young black kid from New York who never had the chance to meet his son. Sorry if I brought anyone's mood down, just felt good to vent. Fucking blurry computer screens.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 31 weeks ago, 10:49 PM

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Since the Clinton Administration we have advanced our robotics research and developement. Some of the big ones were EOD instruments which could allow us to view the questonable weapon/munition without risking a soldier first. Many other ideas are being set up but......
YOU WILL NEVER REPLACE THE INFANTRYMAN.
Command understands this concept but politicians want robotics and pay big money to the defense contractors.
I remember some of the videos and concept pitches marketing referencing D-day. "what if we had robot landers crash the beaches and clear them. This would have saved thousands of lives".
But in my experience, computers lock up- mechanical failures stop the runs. Just like our B-1 grounding because of cpu failures during the 1991 engagement, we can not replace boots on the ground.

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