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Here's a fun new game. Let's list all the instances of Obama violation the Constitution.

I'll open with a favorite of his. A violation of Article 2, Section 3, Clause 5:
[The president] "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"

Oops, I guess Obama missed this in his Constitutional law classes and decided to issue an order to the Dept. of Homeland security to ignore the law.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/obama-to-ignore-immigration-law-pretend...

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 11:40 AM

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Hey Vaq

That's no lie huh? It might be easier to list actions by Obama that weren't a violation. Or areas of the Constitution he hasn't violated.

How you doing today, buddy?

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 11:53 AM

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Cloud cover, humidity is climbing, I'm sweating like heck.
Liable to be storms later. Just peachy bud. Lol
How's the boy? Still punching you?
Hope the drain deal works as expected.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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lol
Sorry to hear it. We got some rains in and the temps have dropped to the 80s. Maybe the storms will at least bring cooler temps for you.

Momma's taking Jason in right now for that, so fingers crossed.

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i guess its ok to get some nice illegal taliban children in too?we could even send them to college where they will learn engineering and chemistry...........

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 11:54 AM

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Educating the Taliban

Obama's new campaign slogan. That ought to make his base real happy.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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The Taliban should be

The Taliban should be educated in the metric system.... 7.62mm, 5.56mm, 9mm, 10mm etc..etc...etc.

1 year 48 weeks ago, 2:32 PM

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Catfish,

I'm a qualified substitute teacher and will teach them the fastest way to meet Allah and score those 78 formerly virgin babes waiting for them.
Sorry Muhammad, I got to 'em first, dang it they were good! LOL!!

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 2:32 PM

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Catfish88 re: my foot!

My foot Dr is an ex Army guy, gun enthusiast, defender of his oath and the second ammendment. We talked about guns while he incised my foot with a Machete (I think) lol
Dug out a great big ugly thorn, how the hell that got in there is beyond me. But it is over and all is good again.

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Well, a thorn you say? It reminds me of story of the lion with the thorn in it's paw. Well, I'm glad you got it taken care of my friend.

1 year 48 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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deprive another private citizen of their Constitutional rights or is it only the Govmnt that has that power?

The Constitution guarantees me my freedom of religion. If my religion offends you is it in your power to stop me from practicing it without you violating my rights or would you simply be harassing me for being a botheration to you? Is it your privilege to make me shut up and go away?

It looks to me that the U. S. Supreme Court has handed down power to individuals and groups that the Constitution does not allow.

If a Arts & Crafts club meeting in the public park forbids carrying guns on the park grounds because THEY do not approve of guns, should they be allowed to ban guns where guns are otherwise legal?

The Supreme Court has allowed that people can say fuck in public infront of men, women and children in a setting used for family recreation. Has the court allowed the fuck sayer the "right" to disturb our peace by taking away our power to lock him up until he has had his mouth sterilized?

I think the Constitutional "rights" do not extend nearly as far as they have gone and much should be considered "privileges".
The Court has, in my opinion, diluted the power of our "rights", they do not mean as much as they did originally.
Stop and think about all the brand new "rights" in our country givin to special interest/identity politics groups.

What y'all think?

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 6:27 PM

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Well, business owners limit your rights by gun free zones. But I digress, the real problem is that everyone wants there rights. But, too many don't take responsibility for those rights. Women want the right to choose, but don't like the responsibility of engaging in sex. That is the fundamental problem with the left. Rights without responisiblity is anarchy. The constitution says we all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Well, maybe my happiness is taking your property. This has been debated sense Plato wrote the republic.

1 year 48 weeks ago, 8:46 PM

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 10:20 AM

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Nailed it, Copper

That's exactly what the issue is. With rights and liberties there are responsibilities and consequences. A fact overlooked to often.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 4:02 PM

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Good post Daisy

Pretty thought provoking. It seems natural to assume that enumerated rights that are protected from the government should naturally extend to individuals as well, but you have a point in that it doesn't seem to work out that way.
It would be nice if it could be used as a defense in court though. e.g. "I shot and killed that burglar because he was violating my 4th amendment right against illegal seizure" or "I beat the snot out of the punk because he tried to prevent my free exercise of religion"

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 4:17 PM

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Here's another one

Obama's EO that forces gun registration on citizens of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas if buying a defined amount of firearms in a defined amount of time.

Not only does this violate the 2nd amendment in require registration, it violates the Equal Protection clause of the 14th amendment and using the executive privilege to essentially create law. Any other violations I missed in this one?

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 4:48 PM

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OBAMA's EO?????

Never heard of that one. If he issued such an EO, it would presumably apply to "all states", because EO's are federal pronouncements. If that assumption on my part is questionable, I must have missed that set of classes. Anyway, my style of logic says, if he can issue an EO covering ONE state, he could also preempt that State's Legislative branch by such fiat.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 10:04 AM

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No formal EO enumerated by the Library of Congress, but he did direct the DOJ to do this, which complied using the BATFE as the enforcer. Another favored tactic of this liberty-hating POS, to imply he will issue an executive order (to drum support from his base), redact due to lack of authority, and issue internal edicts regardless.

Which I can add to this list. This action violates 18 U.S.C. § 921, the firearm owners protection act which prevent gun registration. Also, Congress immediately introduced a bill preventing federal funds from being used in any gun registration. In reply, Obama stated he will ignore such an act.

When he does, this will lead to another violation of Article 2, Section 3, Clause 5.

This piece of garbage has no regard for law or liberty. He is

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 5:35 PM

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Yes--There was no EO.

DOJ/ATF issued the new "rule" re quantity sale of long guns over .22 caliber, and was promptly sued in Federal court. U S District Court Judge Collyer upheld the "rule" stating ATF did not overstep its authority because the "rule " applied only to certain guns in certain states. But NRA is appealing Collyer's ruling, and I am betting, her ruling will be overturned, upon appeal. If that occurs, the big O will have to decide whether AG Holder should take it to the Supremes. Should be interesting if the process gets underway, before the November election.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 5:03 PM

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assume a defense based on that and defining the social finger as the antagonistic words would be a viable defense.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 12:14 PM

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It has been argued that the provision in the PATRIOT act that allows the NSA to wiretap citizens without warrant is a violation of the 4th amendment. The Bush administration's defense of this is questionable, but at least it was limited to communications with a foreign destination.

Constitutional scholar Glenn Greenwald - who is generally supportive of progressive interpretations of the law -- says the Obama Administration has "invented a brand new claim" of immunity from spying litigation.

"...beyond even the outrageously broad 'state secrets' privilege invented by the Bush administration and now embraced fully by the Obama administration, the Obama DOJ has now invented a brand new claim of government immunity, one which literally asserts that the U.S. Government is free to intercept all of your communications (calls, emails and the like) and - even if what they're doing is blatantly illegal and they know it's illegal - you are barred from suing them unless they 'willfully disclose' to the public what they have learned," Greenwald wrote.

Wow.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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the Obama EO thread..

Yep good thoughts from all here, anyone who draws any form of Gov $ and that includes your buddy Greg here has to look at what cost we are to the Nation, before looking at others.. I don't have an issue with social security..We live in a 55 plus age area (sun city) where its a fact of life, and what we worked for..

I think Romneys choice was brilliant.. he's forcing the Administration to talk about issues.. This is not a case of ending anything, just bending the curve of spending. The social security many of us have now is a non starter for those who are 15 or so years out, and the R&R team have a plan that makes SS possible for that same group..

The elephant in the room with welfare.. Kids are involved.. it's a scary situation when a stoke of the pen can "un" do what Congress has put together..case in point and relavent is the removal of a "work" bridge in welfare I'm pretty sure no one, as in NADA here would except the idea of a child going to bed hungry.. I know you guys, and i know thats the sort of thing that we all feel is unexceptable, and something that we would do anything to keep that from happening..

The problem is thats how the argument is being framed from the left.. and sadley we have an electorate that takes the MTV 15 sec sound bites as fact.. Yep FOX is for fools.. Guns are wrong.. Republicans are for the big banks and Wallstreet..

I hope im wrong, and that the average voter knows that were heading for 16 Trillion in debt, and if "something/anything" isn't done the Nation as we know it now is going to change

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"Yep good thoughts from all here, anyone who draws any form of Gov $ and that includes your buddy Greg here has to look at what cost we are to the Nation, before looking at others.. "

Nope nope nope.
1st, the fed gov and I entered into a contract. I would volunteer to hang my ass out infront of some gooner with a gun and dare him to shoot in exchange for govmnt goodies for life.
2nd, the gov told me that if I give them X number of my hard earned $$ from my job they would return those $$ upon my retirement.
3rd, my tax $$ paid for my medicare.

I'd be tickled shitless to re-write my contracts with the gov, give up some goodies IF THEY WOULD DO THE SAME. Won't happen ol' buddy :<))

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 9:10 AM

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The welfare one is another very good example. Obama's authority as POTUS does not allow him to ignore, rewrite, or otherwise negate legislation.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 11:23 AM

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that Holder was ordered NOT to enforce the DOMA, it would seem to me that such an order, whether implemented or not, qualifies as a high crime or misdemeanor, and thus, is worthy of a charge basis for impeachment..... so much for the integrity of the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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I'm confused here. I missed the segue between Obama violating US law and the integrity of the US House of Reps. Are you saying that if this is proven and they choose not to impeach their integrity would be diminished?

But thanks for bringing up DOMA. This is another one that I've been holding in reserve. Another of his violations of Article 2, Section 3, Clause 5 of the Constitution.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 9:18 PM

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there IS a segue. From what I have seen, there is a plethora of individual Obama actions that could become valid causes of House impeachment certification to be sent for trial in the Senate. For the House to take no action, and continue to suffer or permit alleged high crimes and misdemeanors on the part of the POTUS, the House becomes complicit. IMO, the longer the House avoids the obvious, the more daring the Obama/Holder conspirators become, in eroding the Constitution and legislative process.
I ask myself-- where are the Republican Reps who should have balls enough to do their duty. We had plenty of them in the late 1990's, led by Newt Gingrich. They had valid causes of action and they acted on behalf of the people of the USA. They did their duty: a fair trial, even though Clinton was acquitted.

So, I guess my question is---what is the preoccupation with all the alleged law breaking actions Obama has taken, when it looks like the people's protectors apparently will not do their duty?
I love academic discussions, because they tend to teach some things I never knew.
ALAS, this discussion seems to teach us--once more--just how potentially catastrophic, politics- as-usual can become. The problem is NOT what Obama is trying to get away with. That's scary enough. The problem IS--that we the people appear frighteningly powerless to do anything about it, in "real time", right here and now.
But on Tuesday, November 6th---it's a different story.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 2:31 PM

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Absolutely there are a plethora of instances and, admittedly, not just from Obama's administration. This is something I am looking at in a personal project of mine. Almost every administration since Adams has, at the very least, bent the law in exercising its authority, and at the very worst, flagrantly violated the law with disdain and contempt.

Which is why my focus on Obama's violations as I don't know of any office of the US that has as flagrantly and with such obvious disdain for the founding principles of this nation. You are absolutely correct in the fact that congress' inaction makes them as culpable as well as the supreme court. And this blame is all the way around. It's not just the Executive branch's actions that have been ignored. Congress has, the way I see it, grossly exceeded their authority in many of its legislation passed. And the supreme court has also violated and abused their privilege in many of its decisions. And each branch, by not using their powers of impeachment and ruling on legality, is culpable in all these. To the point one could say there is collusion within the three branches, deliberate or otherwise.

But then, following this line of thought; are we, the people, any less culpable through our inaction?

One thing is certain, such debate about abuse of power and the impotence to effect change clearly gives an appreciation of why the 2nd amendment is so important and surely our founders thought through similar scenarios to lead them to protect this right.

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that as the excesses of the feds escalate, 2A must become more preeminently--perhaps even virulently, guarded. With regard to collusion "within" the three branches, I suppose that could be accurate in individual cases [unless I should have read that as "between" all three simultaneously]. Within the House, or within the Senate, I might see a particular process on a particular proposed bill as straight forward quidproquo negotiation, but YOU might see it as collusion. (I probably would agree on collusion, if it were shown that some of the parties got a nice, lucrative pork rider in exchange for some one else's desired specific language on an important matter. But alas, that seems to be a centuries-old HISTORICAL NORM for most of these processes; even though Reps and Senators always say they want to hear from critical constituents, in my experience , their degree of real interest is usually equivocal.)
It is NOT, however, an HISTORICAL NORM for Presidents of the USA to violate their oaths, and otherwise repetitively commit high crimes and misdemeanors, with impunity. As regards the SCOTUS, there are many case renderings that most of us have probably disagreed with, vehemently. I choose not to see them as collusive in their process, because the ship of state has remained relatively, afloat. [Perhaps, in the case of Chief Justice Robert's Obamacare majority-- it was highly self-serving and also qualified him to sing castrati alto--but not collusive].

So--as clumsy as this all may have sounded, I can retreat to my problem-solving/decision-making mode, with due deference to Dr. W E Deming, and his observations about how systems work.

This would be my hypothetical process: IMO-- One very serious problem [also called "an undesirable condition"] is that our present three branch system "output" is eroding inalienable/unalienable rights. If we look at the potential CAUSES, of this problem, [just brainstorming it right now] one cause might very well be that the Executive Branch [EB] is exceeding its constitutionally-authorized duties. Another, might be that the House of Representatives does not persceive that the EB is overreaching, and another might be that the SCOTUS may not intervene, unless by Constitutional process.
If we were to do an actual Pareto Analysis we MIGHT VERY WELL find that approximately 80% of the "problem"is being caused by approximately 20% of the system--that being found to emanate from the EB. THUS: a potential SOLUTION would be to analyze, from where in the EB do these actions originate. However, since the POTUS is responsible for everything that originates from the EB, that analysis can be dispensed with.
THEREFORE, if the study were verified, logical effective solutions to eliminate this cause can be developed.
The question is--HOW, IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY CAN ORDINARY CITIZENS MAKE THIS HAPPEN!? If you accuse the citizenry of inaction, what would you have us do?
So here we are--full circle-- THE SECOND AMENDMENT MUST BE DEFENDED AT ALL COSTS, because it may become the court of last resort. I hope I am wrong.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 11:09 PM

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LLE, Collusion

When I referred to the collusion "within", I meant the three branches holistically. You're right though, "between" would have been more appropriate.

But I do see it as collusion. Again, maybe not the deliberate intent, but indirectly via political expediency. Which we see all the time. Some call it part of the game. Others call it treason.

Examples of which are:
The senate confirming Kagan, the Democrats for party loyalty, the GOP in hopes to avoid possible retribution of a future nomination or even to convince their constituents their "moderate".

The House not impeaching Supreme Court justices for gross misinterpretations like the "Stolen Valor" ruling. I don't know when it happened, but historical record shows that the first amendment's freedom of speech did not mean freedom of expression and damn sure didn't mean freedom to impersonate.

The House not impeaching Obama on his several violations. One of which being his involvement, if it can be proven, in attempting violating the law in Fast&Furious for the purposes of restricting citizens' rights. Also known as treason.

And the Supreme Court ignoring Congress' abuse of its authority in such cases like the Affordable Care Act and the numerous infringements on the right to bear arms.

As to the question of how ordinary citizens ability to effect change, we have the ability, but not the motivation. Yet. I put myself 100% also at fault for not taking action. Because things aren't bad enough yet. It's hard to give up a first world lifestyle, even when infringed. I'm not saying it's right. Just saying it is. So, for the time being, we can act through our votes, through support of organizations (like the NRA) that guard our freedoms, by spreading the truth around, and letting our reps know we have our eye on them.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 12:58 AM

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I agree that political expediency is a prominent motivation in our tri-cameral system. It may very well be that the first law of politics for the novice, is--"ya gotta go along to get along" [it's part of the game], and that law may very well have been confirmed for many "freshman" as early as five minutes after being sworn-in.......sic transit gloria. I do think there have been instances of collusion "between" all three branches, but none that could be proven.
I like your example of Kagan, and I understand party loyalty by the Dems, but in this example, I think the GOPers each would be acting on a self-serving basis, rather than colluding with another branch. [Fooling the constituents is par for the course].
In the Stolen Valor ruling, I do not see collusion there, but as someone once said, "you can't fix 'stupid' ".
We are in agreement re the Obama impeachment issue; except, that I have considered it the #1 domestic issue, and I am not sure anyone else in the entire USA does. :0((
And I have elaborated on my view of unpalatable SCOTUS rulings, in general.
I do hope to be around long enough, to see us reverse this descent into pussyfooting around on matters involving worldwide jihad, insidious and subtle attacks from within and from outside, erosion of the constitution in favor of shariah law, and a general attempt to make us just another failed nanny state.
I am guardedly optimistic, but it could be a very messy domestic scene, if we do not change course soon.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 8:16 AM

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Regarding some of my examples, I am using collusion for lack of a better term. Collusion implies an intent, but I see it as collusion through inaction. An indeliberate collusion.

I am also guardedly optimistic, but I fear it will have to get messy before the people of America are motivated to action.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 9:34 PM

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How can they risk being identified as one of those who threw the nation into a constitutional crisis?
Can they risk race riots that erupt due to the actions of Congress?

Those are all excuses of cowards but IMO it is what motivates our reps to shut up and sit in the corner.
A million caucasian men and women cannot raise as much fear in congress as 200 negroes yelling racism

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 11:06 AM

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I meant to include this in my reply to LLE, but this very reason makes me desire that there was law that compelled a branch to hold another accountable or risk violation themselves.

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1 year 48 weeks ago, 10:13 PM

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AMEN, Bro'!!!!

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The problem here is that we have allowed career politicians. They are more worried about reelection then doing what's right. The original intent was for citizens to take time out of their lives and serve in congress. If we had more small business owners, farmers, doctors, and other regular folks serving a single term, then maybe we wouldn't be this hip deep in shit. Why would you expect these guys to really call out Obama, when they are just as dirty. These guys feed at the same trough as Obama. Do you really think they are going do anything of substance?

1 year 48 weeks ago, 10:41 AM

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to true LLE

To true

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 9:16 PM

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manned by careerists who create a co-existing parallel system inside govmnt to perpetuate their's and their fellow travelers careerist opportunities. No way the average citizen could ever figure out all the legaleze and bureaucrateze.
Sounds sinister, don't it?
"We The People" are ultimately responsible for allowing the system to deteriorate, morph into a crib for those who should never have existed in the first place, career politicians and bureaucraps. The govmnt takes my money from me and uses it to buy votes of people I do not agree with. Rotten deal. The majority of Americans are blind to that.

"If you see in any given situation only what everybody else can see, you can be said to be so much a representative of your culture that you are a victim of it." S.I. Hayakawa

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 9:24 PM

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Daisy, are they blind or are they being bought off? This country was "bought" with glass and shiny beads. Welfare and tax credits for all.

1 year 47 weeks ago, 9:28 PM

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 1:42 AM

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Course their all over him about the add's.. O makes what i think is a major mistake.. brings up R's tax release stuff.. turns the conference into a political rally.. but in the middle of it, says "the American people expect anyone running for pres to be an "open book"... yep guys thats what he said.. Gloria and i are falling out of our seats (we do that just for fun sometimes anyway).. Point is O has the MOST hidden book there is.. NO release of records in anyway shape form..

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 8:10 AM

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about all the focus on Romney's tax returns. The hypocrisy. They are they child who killed his parents and pleads for sympathy because he is an orphan.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 11:27 AM

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the very expressive word, "chutzpa". The Dems are almost bereft of good campaign argumentation, and truth be told, many of them are deeply embarassed by their 2008 catastrophic errors in judgment. But they feel constrained to cling to the keel of the Obama luxury liner, even as the stern goes vertical. The Romney tax return issue is the equivalent of grasping at straws, IMO.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
1 year 47 weeks ago, 3:51 PM

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wonderful analogy

sjmb,to godam true

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 11:45 AM

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How about Sen. Hairy Read calling for the release of obama's records? That seems reasonable to me. But on the other hand, I'm not a democ rat so my definition of reasonable may not meld with his.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 3:50 PM

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shouting about the 6 billion dollars worth of Construction jobs this administartion gave to China during 2010-11-12. Seems an obvious point of contention to me,maybe the Republications are as much to blame as the dems for that though,i'm speculating.This administration is rich with bullshit yet i don't see the Republicans capitalizing like i hoped they would.

and then there are Republican idiots that say shit like" womens bodies can internally defend against rape pregnancy" what? fuck you moron.I know he apologized but really pull your head out man.That way you don't have to apologize.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 8:40 AM

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Divide and conquer

That's why I don't believe in the party labels. Sure, mostly I vote GOP because the Democrat choice is usually a blatant commie. I try to vote libertarian if there is one, or other non-commie 3rd party. But for the relevant offices, I make sure and look at all the information I can about the candidates and pick the one that is closer to what I feel is what our founders believed.

Aiken is a freaking idiot. I can't believe he'd say something like that. I also can't believe the Obama campaign is trying to capitalize on that by making Romney/Ryan in the same league.

I have seen some very stupid democrats AND republicans.

And I have seen some conservative democrats and socialist republicans.

In almost all cases, they are 100% scheister politicians.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 4:37 PM

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Lucky hit this one square on, and i've gota quote this as written above:

"Republican idiots that say shit like" womens bodies can internally defend against rape pregnancy" what? fuck you moron".. Or bud still has that problem with not getting in touch with how he really feels, but i think we get the drift.. The important thing for those of us who are more conservative to remember is comments like the Congressman said or flat dumb and make all of us (and the R&R boys) tainted by comparison.. this was a no brain'r carl rowe distanced himself, and the good congressman (gave up caps with sp check) aint getting another buck from the Natl Rep war chest so hopefully he pulls the plug on himself and gets out of the election. Prob is if not we could lose the state..

Saints comment is great, and i saw some stupid stuff yesterday, fliping thru channels, think it was MSNBC, but could have been ABC.. maybe you guys saw this.. said R has a problem with being a "whimp".. this bugged me, obviously the Press is liberal, and just as obv the statement was one of those things that get thrown out for someone whos not an informed voter to see.. Next thing you know he/she's telling someone else.. "ya hear how Romneys a whimp".. stupid, and it gets back to O and his "disclosure" of Spec ops/ CIA info that makes it look like he's on the front lines buckl'n for some dust in the "stan".. stupid..

also (geezers all fired up) take into consideration whats going on with the Ft Hood shooters trial. The Administration (non whimps that they are) classed this as work place violence, this is nothing but politics to not call it domestic terrorism, and as a result those shoot (who survived) can't even get the bennifits of those who are injured in country..this piece of evil is still getting his Maj pay.. the victoms have to deal with a trial delay (this is the big news and new today) cause his deffense team (were paying for them of course) is stating he has a "rite" to wearing his full (muslim approved course) beard.. i have a real problem with this, as a Christian i don't want to spread hate or be a hater, and not just throwing it out guys, hate is NOT what Christians are supposed to do.. that being said.. DUHH. this piece of shit's really is flat evil.. and while he was killin "our" troops dressed in the uniform of "our" Nation he was clean faced (per regs) and shouting that whole ohwhataareetardiiamm thing.. Think what this is like for the familys.. FOX interviewed one SSGT who was shoot 6 times.. His complaint (pretty valid after being shoot 6 times) is the bennifit thing above.. Don't think they even get hearts.. not sure on this, but an issue with other bennies for sure while he's getting his Maj pay.. been thinking while i type this (yeah i do sometimes).. I don't hate him.. i just want the piece of shit to die.. lifes simple sometimes..

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 8:44 AM

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This is a complete outrage! This fucker should be shot (or hung) for treason.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 6:59 PM

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me in a lather is his beard. Uniform regs for members of the Army are very clear, NO BEARDS, why would they have to wait for a court decision? His ass belongs to the Army and the UCMJ.

Pleeeeze, give me the straight razor, order me under penalty of law to shave that asshole's face, I'm not much good with a straight razor but I swear, I'd do a good job on him....

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 5:47 PM

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bodies function. If he stays in the senatorial race his best bet is to say,
"Hey, no one ever taught me about women's reproductive system, I'm stupid and apologise for the ignorant things I said."

To me, that is the ONLY way to regain any footing at all but without any friends among Republicans and having democrats howling with laughter retiring to a cabin by the lake may be a better choice. Could he win over McCaskel? Maybe, but it depends on how humble he is willing to be.
Otherwise he can switch parties, democrats can say what he said and it's totally forgotten, instantly.

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1 year 47 weeks ago, 6:21 PM

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The latest poll still has him in the lead. If he steps down, then what? He beat 2 others in the primary. Who would take his place? What kind of chance would they have? So he misspoke about rape. The overall point is that he is against abortion no matter the reason. Sounds pretty conservative. But, if abortion and gay rights become the issues, then the hope and change crowd my get off the couch again. So he doesn't know human biology, he still knows more than the person he's running against.

1 year 47 weeks ago, 6:30 PM

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More on ake'n Akin..

Not quite so sure now.. i watched the "whole" interview that caused the mess, and actually he's not as stupid as it sounds.. His point (i think) is that he had been told by GYN types that the emotion caused by the rape would most likley cause bio issues that would prevent preg, and guess theres some sorta data out there to support this.. Not the issue.. The old boy could cause R to lose.. nobody is going to go into debth on this one.. the media (and frankly all of us) had this as midevel and maybe it is.. Point is that NOW he could cost the election.. serious here.. if it were a shoe in win state then .. big deal.. it's not, and Clare Mc is already the incombent, so hard to beat, and easy for O to win the state if he stays.. ugly.. ugly i tell ya... oh sorry i caught a glimps of myself in the mirror... never mind.. you all go back to sleep now..

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