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5 years 13 weeks ago, 7:05 AM

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By Brad O'Leary Friday, May 15, 2009

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has stated that the Obama administration would like to resurrect the Clinton ban on semi-automatic firearms, as well as other gun control laws.

One of the reasons for bringing back these unpopular laws, according to Holder, is that Mexican drug cartels are becoming increasingly violent and warring with Mexican government troops. Holder says that some of the guns being used by the Mexican drug mafia are being obtained illegally from the United States.

Mexico is a country with a reputation for political corruption and a healthy disregard for the individual rights of its citizens. Still, Holder and the Obama administration think that limiting the Second Amendment rights of U.S. citizens is a cure for drug violence in Mexico.

However, according to a recent poll conducted by The O’Leary Report and Zogby International, a vast majority of the American voting public disagrees.

The poll, which was conducted March 20-23 and has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 1.5 percentage points, asked 4,523 likely voters:

“Mexican officials, gun control groups and officials at the Department of Homeland Security claim drug cartels are crossing the U.S. border in order to obtain guns illicitly. Others say that the Mexican drug cartels are equipped with military hardware including grenades, anti-tank missiles and mortars – all weapons that are not available to the American public. Which of the following do you think is the main source for Mexican drug cartel arms?”

Sixty-five percent of voters say that the international black market is the main source for Mexican drug cartel arms, while only 13.5 percent think these arms are coming from U.S. gun stores (3.5 percent think the arms are coming from somewhere else and 18 percent are not sure).

Among voters aged 18-29 years old, one of President Obama’s strongest groups of supporters, 73 percent say international black market, and just six percent say U.S. gun stores (two percent say somewhere else and 19 percent are not sure).

A strong majority of self-described Independent voters (65 percent) also say that the international black market is main source of arms for Mexican drug cartels, and only 12 percent say U.S. gun stores (four percent say somewhere else and 19 percent are not sure).

5 years 13 weeks ago, 12:27 PM

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and gun owner says he doesn't give a fuck where the guns in Mexico are coming from, trying to take his rights away in order to help the corrupt Mexicans is a bad idea.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 13 weeks ago, 12:29 PM

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samD wrote:

OBAMA, CLINTO, HOLDER, ARE PUSHING THE MEXICAN TREATY TO BE RATIFIED BY CONGRESS, 39 OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE ALL READY SIGNED, WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT AND HE HAD ALL OF HIS GUN CONTROL IN PLACE HE SIGNED BUT CONGRESS WOULD NOT RATIFY IT. BUT NOW WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT HAS A 60% RATING AND HE'S PUSHING IT, NOW IF THIS HAPPENS WITH THIS TREATY GIVES THEM ALOT OF GUN CONTROL HERE IN THE U.S.

LOOK UP THE TREATY AND READ IT,,, SEVERAL NEW'S CHANNELS HAVE TALKED ABOUT, A CONGRESSMAN HAS TALKED ABOUT IT.

I FEEL THAT EVERY AMERICAN THAT BELIEVES IN THE 2ND. AND THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD WRITE CALL ETC. THE CONGRESSMAN AND OBJECT TO THE RATIFICATION OF THIS TREATY.

By Brad O'Leary Friday, May 15, 2009

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has stated that the Obama administration would like to resurrect the Clinton ban on semi-automatic firearms, as well as other gun control laws.

One of the reasons for bringing back these unpopular laws, according to Holder, is that Mexican drug cartels are becoming increasingly violent and warring with Mexican government troops. Holder says that some of the guns being used by the Mexican drug mafia are being obtained illegally from the United States.

Mexico is a country with a reputation for political corruption and a healthy disregard for the individual rights of its citizens. Still, Holder and the Obama administration think that limiting the Second Amendment rights of U.S. citizens is a cure for drug violence in Mexico.

However, according to a recent poll conducted by The O’Leary Report and Zogby International, a vast majority of the American voting public disagrees.

The poll, which was conducted March 20-23 and has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 1.5 percentage points, asked 4,523 likely voters:

“Mexican officials, gun control groups and officials at the Department of Homeland Security claim drug cartels are crossing the U.S. border in order to obtain guns illicitly. Others say that the Mexican drug cartels are equipped with military hardware including grenades, anti-tank missiles and mortars – all weapons that are not available to the American public. Which of the following do you think is the main source for Mexican drug cartel arms?”

Sixty-five percent of voters say that the international black market is the main source for Mexican drug cartel arms, while only 13.5 percent think these arms are coming from U.S. gun stores (3.5 percent think the arms are coming from somewhere else and 18 percent are not sure).

Among voters aged 18-29 years old, one of President Obama’s strongest groups of supporters, 73 percent say international black market, and just six percent say U.S. gun stores (two percent say somewhere else and 19 percent are not sure).

A strong majority of self-described Independent voters (65 percent) also say that the international black market is main source of arms for Mexican drug cartels, and only 12 percent say U.S. gun stores (four percent say somewhere else and 19 percent are not sure).

5 years 13 weeks ago, 2:16 PM

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Theres a lot of guns for sale on the world market, approx. 6wks ago I watched a special undercover film. The heart of the story is that surplus military arms are being sold to mexico and South American countries for drugs and money and the ports down there do not inspect containers from block countries because they have special trade agreements. After the numbers were broke down it was guessed that 17% of guns came from U S but 8% came from gangs and 4% was from people that had family in Mexico. I can not say that this positive but all the weapons in the countries south of us can not be coming from us
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5 years 13 weeks ago, 12:33 PM

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YOUR POINT ISN'T MADE ANY MORE CLEAR BY TYPING IN ALL CAPS. WAIT A MINUTE. I DO THIS SOMETIMES. I AM SUCH A HYPOCRITE!!!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 12 weeks ago, 11:27 PM

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I have noticed the media and Obama twisting data to justify their adjenda. Obama plays the game well. Even if the nation hates his real position, he takes the position of the group in which he is speaking to. I listen to him live speaking to the gay lesbian groups and he supports gay marriage. He speaks to the black churches caucus and is against gay marriage. Same thing when he spoke to the jewish alliance and palistinian groups. He is everything to everyone. Never gets nailed down on a situation.

Bush was the worst with justifying his position and never fought the lies and conjecture associated with the attacks.
Bush was what he was and stayed with one position. This allowed the media to tee off on him like a golfball. Its strange....
Do we want a President to be everything to all people or just straight up?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
5 years 12 weeks ago, 8:06 AM

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I agree that the current administration is bad, but putting Obama's name in quotations? I'm pretty sure his name is Obama. And quoting samD without adding your own comments? Why? Relax, MannyG

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 12 weeks ago, 3:34 PM

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hopefully with as many topics that bam-bam is attacking all at once, the little s*** will run out of steam soon...f***ing energizer bunny this retard

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