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So I just got this years Cabelas shooting mag, and its LOADED down with reloading supplies and machines...some of it looks like I might be able to afford it. What all is a MUST for reloaded...no smart shit, I know powder, primer, case, and of course BULLETS. But the machines.....I see a press on here for 139.99 Lock-N-Load Press......then it has dust cover and die bushings sold separately under it.The Lock-N-Load AP Progressive Press is 429.99, thats a bit much, but seems to come with more, would that be all I need? I can save my old cases from now on, so buying new cases doesnt seem too logical unless I just wanna make tons more...which isnt a bad idea now that I think of it..:) And with one press, I can make different loads right? a .223, .40, .250 etc.....I notice that shotguns have their own presses, so Im guessing you cant reload shotguns on a normal press. Lets hear it boys, Im excited to learn some more good stuff.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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30.06 .308 and 7.65X54 use the same holder for example. You'll need sizing dies and crimping dies for each caliber. Case lube to keep the cases sliding in and out of dies nicely. Case trimmer to shorten used case to correct length. Get a chamfer tool for case necks so the bullet will go in straight. You'll need a system for cleaning cases, your press may come with a de-capper to knock out used primers, if not buy one. You'll need a powder scale to make sure your loads are within limits. You may need a ream to trim up your primer pockets, especially if you use military brass. You should have trays to hold your cases as you work on them, you don't want them knocking around.

Now, to make sense of all that get a GOOD reloading manual, one that tells how to reload and gives recipes for loads.
Damn, reloading is almost as much fun as f... uh, well, not that much fun but it's fun.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 7:15 PM

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Loading needs

Get the manual first. RCBS, Hornady, Speer, LEE, it doesn't matter. I've got several.
For straight walled pistol get carbide dies (they come in a set with all you need for each caliber).
For rifle you need full size resizing dies for semi-auto rifles like your AR, these don't come in carbide, that means case lube and a case lube pad. Shellholders for the ram of the press are usually sold seperate. Check the loading manual first and see which powder the bullet manufacturer had best results with for your caliber, buy as small a container of powder as you can. Be sure if you need large or small primers. Primers are common in small pistol, large pistol, small rifle, large rifle with a "magnum" being available in each size and designation.
I think Hamp got a "kit" with all you ned to start when he started and far as I know he aint dissapointed.
Rule 1, READ THE LOADING MANUAL. Aside from saving you time and trouble it is chock full of information that guys like us just love.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:02 PM

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starter kit, it had a full frame "O" press and it had all the basic hardware I needed including a loading manuel.
All I had to buy after that was the shell holders and dies.
I would check this out.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/423081/lee-challenger-breech-lock-singl...

I'm sure that is the same press I had, inexpensive and loads great.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:39 PM

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I bought the RCBS starter kit. Still using the powder dump, scales, hell, all of it I guess.
Of course you gotta add some stuff along the way.
When those carbide dies came out I jumped on 'em.
Yep, I've dimpled my share of rifle cases. : )

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 7:35 PM

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Reloading

I got the rock-chucker set from RCBS. Most of the die sets I got have the shell holders included. You need a press, dies, case trimmer, chamfer/deburring tool, an ACCURATE powder scale, a case lube pad w/lube or spray, and I would recommend a shell holding tray. My preferences... Lyman case tool. It has primer pocket reamers and chamfer and deburring bits inside a large aluminum handle. Won't give you carpal tunnel when doing large numbers of shells. I also use the Lyman accutrimmer. I think it is much easier and more precise than the trimmer from RCBS. I also prefer a hand primer over using the press, I like to " feel" the seating of the primer. For loading trays, my favorite is the mtm casegaurd. It holds 50 cases and holds them securely. No risk of tipping or spillage. I know it sounds like a lot, but most of these things are a one time investment. I've just learned over time what I like and dislike.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 7:36 PM

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the kit was of high quality with a press, powder measure and scale. Of course all of the other shit that Vaq mentioned is extra, die sets are around $50 and with the .223 I had to buy the crimping die separate (all of my stuff is through Lee). Reloading .223, case lube is a MUST, unless you want to take the 'sizing' die apart and 'chuck' the case in a vise and beat it out........Ask me how I know.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 7:41 PM

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But using a lube pad

With 5.56, you need robe careful of hydro-static dimpling.... Ask me how I know. Lol!

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:03 PM

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Let me guess......bye the way, what the hell is hydro-static dimpling?

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:09 PM

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a fancy way of saying the case got stuck....who'd have thunk it......lol

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:09 PM

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Hydrostatic dimpling

Is when excess lube on your cartridges gets pushed into the neck area, causing dents in the casing. One of the good things about using a spray lube.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:18 PM

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Spray lube....check,

I have read a lot about not getting lube past the neck, foul's the powder and causes all sorts of maladies. I use RCBS 'case slick' on a pad of the same, with Q-tips to lightly lube the neck.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:22 PM

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I used that also.

And can cause issues if on to heavy. Speaking of reloading I need to expand about 150 45 colts and get a .308 shell with a torn rim out of a die tonight. Lol!

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:37 PM

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I think...

That if this keeps up we are going to need a forum topic on reloading. Lol! What steps do you take in reloading? I'm only asking because my wife says I'm OCD when I reload. Just wondering if I really am.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:58 PM

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OCD when reloading

Sounds like a + to me.

Steps I take
Vibratory cleaning
Re-size/de-prime
Expand (for pistol)
Trim and chamfer
Prime with LEE hand priming tool
Charge, weigh each charge for rifle.
Seat/crimp

Each step obviously includes a visual inspection.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:10 AM

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OCD/Reloading

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OCD when reloading
Sounds like a + to me.

I was thinking the very same. Good morning, GS. Probably won't be on too much today. The sweatshop owners are wanting me to earn my keep lately. Basterds! lol

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:41 PM

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SO it would be a good deal to get a package for around 500? and is it hard? or should I be able to do it and do it right without someone showing me how? and lastly, is it worth it?

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:45 PM

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BFT

I think the kit would be all you need minus powder, primer and bullets to get going. I don't really find it hard at all, and sounds like a lot of people here can help. Lastly, I shoot a lot, so for me was definitely worth doing.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:50 PM

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stuff.
It is not "hard" to learn or do. MAKE SURE you follow the steps in the loading manuel, that's important.
No need for a shepherd if you follow the steps in the manuel. They are simple taken one at a time.
As I mentioned in the PM I sent, the whole set-up paid for itself in the first week but of couse, I did not spend $500 :<)
I strongly suggest you get a bullet puller in case you booboo or even just think you did a booboo :<)

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:51 PM

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I heard...well read on here that that prices for powder and such are going up and would make it just as expensive to reload...is this true? and also, if I shot 55gr out of a .223 and wanted to reuse that case, could I load it with a heavier charger? say 75gr or something....my bbl twist is 1/8, so itll handle up to military tracer rounds. I would be using this for hunting....and what I just realized, I can make my own .250 rounds, save lots of money, its 30 a box of 20 for those, and can only get them online...such a pain. havent bought any since I got that gun. realy sucks

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:01 PM

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component prices

If primers and powder and bullets go up then you can bet that factory ammo will go up too.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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It says no priming

It says no priming feature...what does that mean, and do I need to buy a priming tool?

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:05 PM

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The primer tools are not expensive if you go buy one..

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:01 PM

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going to have to take a heck of a jump to make hand loading as expensive as factory ammo.
As far as recipes go, go by what your loading manual tells you. In some cases a minor deviation from a proven load can turn out a round that goes crazy. Could also be the most accurate round ever fired but if you follow the formulae in the book you can't go wrong, better safe than sorry.
BTW, shippers usually apply a surcharge for explosives so if you can get a friend to buy along with you so you each have powder in one shipment you can share the surcharge.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:10 PM

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primers

Buying primers in bulk (1000 or 5000) is the way to go.
A 25 dollar haz mat fee is added to shipping so you sure don't want to buy them by the 100.

Also, as DC said, you can get better accuracy from handloads.
My .223 has a 1-11 twist. It won't stabilize a 65 gr but when I lightened the powder charge and reduced the velocity the 55 gr just kept getting better and better groups.
I settled on a lower velocity and went from 3" groups @ 100 yd to .75" groups in any weather.
Now I load 40 gr ballistic tips and run about 2800 fps. Light recoil for sure and consistent 1/2" groups or smaller.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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groups well and don't break the bank with my "full auto wannabes" , younger boy can mow through a 'shit tonne of ammo'......and not hit a goddamn thing, need more Tannerite, that keeps his attention....lol

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:31 PM

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55 gr

and coyotes can't tell the difference!
I gotta get me some tannerite, I'm just afraid it will only worsen my addiction.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:02 PM

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priming

Get a hand priming tool from LEE and whatever shell holders you need. Money well spent. It gives you a better feel for more consistent primer seating and saves a butt load of time.

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:05 PM

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BFT it's worth it,

if you shoot as much .223/5.56 as I do, you will find it worth while for sure.

My RRA AR-15 with 100 rd drum, that eats up ammo...lol

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reloading equipment (sorry, I really need to clean out my basement)

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:15 PM

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Scale

My next order will include this.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/175512/frankford-arsenal-ds-750-electro...

Hurry, it's on sale and in stock!

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Great job on the pictures Mr H.. the last ones are right out of a tech manual.. even down to the "absence" of the bud can we always had with Moby.. That and the first one could be on the cover of "guns and ammo" ... ok give'n the bayo "contractors monthly.. at any rate way cool..

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 9:29 PM

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LOL DC,

I quit smoking, damn near four years ago when my Dad died, he never smoked a day in his life, didn't die from cancer either, but I figured that my luck may not be so good and called it a day, hardest thing that I ever did!

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break habit I ever had to do.
Explaination: It was Thanksgiving, colder than a well digger's tit. I came down with some disease, I still don't know what but I was one sick puppy.
I tried to smoke during that time but the smoke made me sicker, I really did not even crave tobacco.
I tried several times over the next few days but could not stand the smell. I finally gave up trying to smoke, threw away a lot of $moke$, not had one since.
Darn that was easy, just like I'd never smoked. No withdrawal, no jitters or crabbyness.

Next habit to break, grabbing strange women's boobs when I go to the Mall :<)

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bet your right lou..

cant ya just see hamp.. taking a pic.. nah can't have that beer in there sure as shit someones going to call me on it.. OH SHIT GRAB THE CIGS AND LIGHTER..

I would have blown myself up by now..and i don't smoke...

Tell you guys about the time Gary reloaded a bunch of 45 ACP's for me.. im at the range bragging about my brother.. bullets fell out of the case.. he forgot, (or didnt know) about the crimp process... Kidded bro about that till the end..

Night guys.. bed calls..

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(his pictures are top notch) and my basement hasn't been cleaned out since Sadie died (she spent most of her time there last summer, cooler), I keep meaning to do so..........Hell, I got time........

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Later guys

Morning comes early.
I hope we can help BFT get started loading. I enjoyed the subject.

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OCD in reloading

I decap all rounds, then clean with tuff-nut w/rouge. I than size, trim, chamfer and debur, and debur the flash hole. I ream and clean the primer pockets after that. I than flair the mouths. I put them back in a sonic cleaner to remove any residue from the inside. Hand prime and use a primer sealant. Charge, seat the bullet, and crimp. As you can imagine, takes me a while to load. Lol.

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Lazy Reloading

I keep telling myself I am going to drag one of the 550's form my brothers down here and start doing it.

but then Billy pulls something like he did yesterday and drops a 308 ammo can full of 9mm 124gr with 6.4 grs power pistol at my feet. I help out loading up 45 and 9 for shooting his sub guns, he tosses me some range time.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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Nite all

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2 years 45 weeks ago, 6:08 PM

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Reloading kits...

Saw one in the new cabellas today for about $325.00. Everything you need minus dies and makings.

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I think Im going to get that lee set for 117. good price and seems like a great deal, plus a good warranty.

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Lee......Heritage? I

think that's the one I have and really like it.

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My take on reloading

I started with a Lee single stage a buddy gave me and loaded thousands of .40 and 9mm with it, but it took me three days to load 500 rounds. The wife let me get the Hornady AP progressive, and now it's much quicker, with an exception. I still prime using my Lee hand primer, because the progressive press primes on the upstroke and you can't feel the primer seat. The result is a few rounds dribbling powder out the flashhole because they never got primed. So, if I need to load a bunch, I'll size the brass and then take it and my primers to work and during lunch or a down cycle where we don't have anybody on the range, I can sit at my dek and prime away.

As far as lubing rifle brass, I use Hornady one shot case lube. It's wax, and not pretroleum based, so it won't foul powder or primers and since it dries to a waxy finish, there's no chance of causing dents when sizing them.

As far as die sets go, if you're loading rifle ammo for a semiauto, look for small-based sizing dies. They size the brass down a bit smaller for better feeding. If you're loading for bolt rifles, you only need full-length sizing dies if you're loading for multiple rifles of the same caliber or if you're using brass fired through other guns. If you're using the same brass for one bolt gun, you only need a neck sizing die. This will improve accuracy and prolong the life of your brass, allowing for more loadings.

I'm going through all my 9mm, then I'm going to start on my .223, and as soon as I get my 100 bullets for my 7mm Rem Mag, I'll start working up an ass-kicking coyote slayer load. 7mm for coyote. Overkill? Maybe, but I don't care to sell the pelts, I just want to kill some rabbit and fawn-eating varmints.

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Good deal and great info..Ill be loading .223/5.56, .40, .250, prolly 30-06 when I get one, and then some .38 special. So Ill need a bunch of dies lol. .223 and .40 will get the most use, oh yea, ill be gettin a 1911 in the future so ill need the .45 dies as well. phew, ill get to spend all my time making loads!!! Im looking forward to it, makes it more personal when you make your own loads, gives you more gratification it seems. Oh and does anyone play battefield 3 on 360? I need some people to play with, sucks not being able to plan anything with teammates, its a tactical game, need tactics..lol

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