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3 years 30 weeks ago, 11:22 PM

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So I think I have given up on finding steel cased ammo for my dad's winchester 670. I have heard enough warnings about steel cased ammo at the pressures of a 30-06 cartridge in a gun not designed around steel cases.

So that said, my dad found a couple boxes of some remington 30-06 ammo he purchased in the late 70s. Is there any danger shooting 30+ year old ammo?

I haven't seen it yet but we live in the desert so moisture shouldn't be an issue and its been out of the heat and sun. I will go by tomorrow or Wednesday to look at it for signs on any obvious problems.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 11:43 PM

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Check this weapon for bore obstructions!!!!! before you fire a round!!!!!! If the AMMO has been kept dry, it will be fine !!! I have ammo that I bought back in the 70's and it fires fine.
I still have papper 16 ga shotgun shells that fine. CCI .22 ammo that has a price tag of $1.89 for a 100 round box. (1 case left on them)
They are all still accurate today as 35 + years ago. I buy in bulk. No problems with ammo.
Now my .30 cal brass some that I had in a leather case is starting to turn GREEN!! Nothing wrong with them!! The green will wipe off!!!
Gonna need to clean them up!!
When you shoot your ammo, Keep the BRASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can find someone to load them for you!!!!!!!

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 11:41 PM

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One thing, When you fire this ammo, if it dosn't go BANG, Just a POP, Unload, take the bolt out of the gun, check for bore obstructions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 8:14 AM

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Thanks Lyle, will do

Thanks Lyle, will do

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 8:23 AM

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ammo

if it has a headstamp from the 70's and looks good, it should be fine. I've shot a lot older ammo than that. If its mil surp ammo, it will most likely be corrosive.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:39 AM

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Thanks reaper, I know its not mil surplus its a "brand new" box of remington ammo that my dad bought for hunting. I will let you all know how it works!

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:20 PM

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corrosive

Corrosive is not necessarily taboo, it just has salt like substances that stay in the gun and attract moisture causing the weapon to rust. Just clean and oil well after shooting and it is no problem.

+1 on Lyle and the bang vs pop, always clear if you ever think it a bullet could be lodged in the barrel.

3 years 30 weeks ago, 11:37 PM

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I've never had a bullet lodged in a barrel. What would happen if an under powered cartridge was fired like that in a bolt action? It would seem to me it would break something in the gun because there would be no where for the gasses to go. In a semi-auto the action would likely partially cycle letting some gasses out to reduce the pressure, but that wouldn't happen in a bolt action.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 10:37 AM

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mattitude,
check this out: http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/7-bullets-barrel

I think you are correct in your assessment with the bolt rifle, I have never seen nor heard of stacking rounds with a bolt action. Of course there is a first for everything...

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 3:22 PM

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Thanks Clint,

I'm not too concerned with stacking bullets, but in general if you pull the trigger and the round goes bang but there is not enough energy for the bullet to make it out of the barrel, where would the gas go in a bolt-action?

In a semi-auto rifle or pistol the action will partially cycle letting gas/energy out. But since there aren't any automated moving parts in a bolt action, the gas would need to go somewhere. I don't know if there would be enough energy to explode the barrel, or break the bolt. Any ideas?

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 7:42 PM

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I think the barrel would be the weak point in the listed scenario. The bolt and the chamber are designed for higher pressures than those created at time of detonation. The barrel is not. I would assume the barrel would experience catastrophic failure behind the "squib" round that failed to leave the firearm.

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3 years 30 weeks ago, 9:17 PM

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I have been shooting for 5 years now, but something like that is what worries me about buying reloaded ammo or reloading myself.

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