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3 years 2 weeks ago, 1:49 AM

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For those who don't know me, i do this ramble thing about once a week.. Don't get all freaked out.. the ADD kicks in and sometimes its OK, and sometimes (this is your disclaimer) its a BIG waste.. I'm a likable cuss, or at least a cuss-able something.. so don't get carried away by the response, most don't read it all, and anything short of a F U Edwards is pretty quality revue..

I got the stimulus for this one from "confused" .. that is the 1917 thread. and i want him to shoot the piece.. was going to talk about Jerry Miculek.. yep know old Jerry doesn't use a 1917 but he sure does throw those moon clips, and have a feeling the 1917 could still be a competitive plate shooter..

Then started thinking about my love of old iron.. especially military, and thought what the heck, lets go rambling for a bit..

Background.. back in the early to mid eights.. WWII 1911's were REAL cheap.. I had one of all the mfg's (except Singer of course) that's when a lot of us got into PPC and bowling pins.. man a set of bowmar sights.. extend the slide release, and if you were really hot you beveled the mag well to help with tactical reloads.. to funny we called them "speed reloads then" pre the tactical talk of today..

Fact is i just wasn't good enough to make the first rank on my events.. I qualified expert for a couple of decades in the dept.. but telling you guys, that even then in the infancy of the sport there were shooters in Tucson who were just FLAT better than me..

By this time the price had doubled.. and i got out of the 1911's.. At the same time i came across the first of what would be my "kids".. i traded for a cheap 38.. turns out this parkerized and lanyard equipped Smith was a sweetheart..

Cheap to shoot, buy, and collect.. the cheap to buy part has changed the rest hasn't.. The following applies to all military small arms.. Guess what troops.. their not going to make them again.. the worth will ONLY go up..

As part of this interest i bought an older military Colt revolver for my brother.. this was also a 38. (note LOTS of 38's, read my or others forum posts on them for clarification) to say this revolver had "patina" is to say Ebear is normal.. it was in the white, with like two little areas of blue.. black colt plastic (good stuff) grips.. period.. It became my brothers favorite due to age and easy shooting..

Gloria asked for a small pistol couple three years ago.. i found an old pocket colt,, "cheap" this little revolver in 32 colt..(same issues as 38's) had perfect grips, and had been re-blued. You guys all know what that means.. collectors hate re blue.. well guess what..it was a great job.

So this little pre positive (non transfer bar. i have to keep an empty cyl under the hammer) is OVER a hundred years old.. and perfect for Gloria.. light weight, really a "smart" looking gun with old black pre war Bakelite Colt grips.. its a beauty.. and cheap due to the re-blue...

These are all featured in my pictures.. go check them out.. I'm telling you that when ever i see an old gun now its the first one i go to..

The hang bang thing... heck..real simple...shoot them.. unless you have a first generation SAA Colt that doesn't have cyl drag marks.. shoot them.. thats what their made for.. and to me.. shooting something that was made back when my grandparents were born.. think about that.. for confused it would be when his Great Grandparents were born..

What story's they can tell.. real history that you can shoot.. i understand not wanting to harm the weapon.. but thats NOT going to happen..

So next time your in a gun shop, and you see that old 32-20 .. yep ammo is available.. Or an old 32 (hopefully 32 smith.. good round in either short or long) most guns are chambered for both just make sure and check to see if its 32 Colt or Smith.. the 32 Colt is getting harder to find, i see and stock up on the 32 Colt short on a regular basis, but 32 Colt long is a different story, and almost impossible to find.. get the SW round if you can..

All these old guns share one thing .. lousy sights.. were used to large easy to acquire sight pictures.. well guess what, that didn't happen back in the day.. some..(this was an issue of both of the 1917's i owned) would NOT shoot to P.O.A. with a full site..

thought there was something wrong with the gun till i read an old 1941 blue jacket manual that talked about not taking a full site unless you were shooting out at 50-75 plus yds.. yep.. the site picture would have had the front site half way up in the rear notch..

I know this much.. i've never taken out an old gun and NOT had fun.. the story's they could tell, its a natural thing to guess at their history since we don't know.. Enjoy..and do the bang not hang thing please.. From the padre.. thanks for the patience.. God bless ya all..

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 8:43 AM

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that's the only thing

I like shooting KD ranges and paper for,getting the sight picture on,after that hide the dogs and cats,cause i'm going shooting outside.

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 6:57 PM

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Oh?

Ya caint hit a deer broadside standing still, but the dogs and cats are in danger?
(cheap shot on my part)

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 10:11 PM

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I know

everything is safe from me shooting at it,but my knitting is getting better.

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3 years 1 week ago, 9:40 AM

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Stop!

Warning to Vaq! Hitting below the belt. Try to keep it clean. lol

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 8:22 PM

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pard

you still down to phx? Hope the weather is better there.

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 8:36 PM

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for some reason that last response has me laughing so hard i can't find the spell check pard.

you get that pm ..

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 8:39 PM

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got the pm

and left ya one.

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3 years 1 week ago, 6:24 PM

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Hey Gregg shot the 1917 this weekend to my suprise it threw a pretty tight group I think i need to get some half/full moon clips. damn it was fun shooting it.

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3 years 1 week ago, 12:58 PM

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good stuff on the group.. Honestly i was pretty sure it would.. and yep you do need to get some full moon clips..

You can also buy what are basically dummy rounds.. they are identical to your round.. (these are made in most pistol calibers..no powder and a plastic (ones ive seen) primer that allows you to safely practise tactical reloads..

Check out Jerry Miculek (sp!) videos on fast speed loader drills.. This guys been around forever.. a hero to wheel gun affectionados...You won't believe the speed he has..

Like all speed-loader drills, its a tilt the gun, "bop" the ejector rod. "throw" in the speed-loader, and then wipe it off when you snap the crane back into battery... (fancy way of saying close the cylinder lol) Thats whats neat about moon clips.. no carrier to worry about.

Like the avatar confused.. and still smiling thinking of you showing up at the local plate banging party, and blasting away with your 94 year old war horse... good stuff indead..

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