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4 years 12 weeks ago, 9:03 PM

Saint J.M. Browning

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Thoughts? My opinion is two-sided. I believe free citizens should be allowed to carry openly. Not to mention that restricting this would be infringing the right to keep and BEAR arms. Which is unconstitutional, right?
But on the other hand, I do like the concept of concealed carry. For handguns, anyway. The reason I say this is because it makes more sense in the sense of firearms as crime deterrence and self defense. The great thing about conceal is that the a-holes don't know who is armed, and they have to be afraid.
But I would like to hear thought from y'all.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 9:11 PM

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Not my style. Id rather to keep my gun under wraps until I have to use force and or present it towards a threat. Keepin it hid is best in my view, Never let the left hand know what the right hand is doin. case and point: Left hand represents a threat and right hand is you with gun. If the threat dosent know your armed till its too late. Maybr my analogy is screwed up but I am sure you get my point.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 9:45 PM

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I'm on the fence too.

I agree with Saint Browning. In both respects. I also agree with Snake. Personally I believe in "Constitutional Carry" better known as "Open Carry." However, I think that in this day and time, the majority of those who do carry open are, to be honest, asking for problems. There are too many out there who will say that you are just looking for trouble or that you must think you are John Wayne, or worse, his replacement. I also believe that in a defensive situation, that open carry puts you at a disadvantage because you now have a target on you. You are the obvious threat to the bad guys. I'll leave the open carry to the cops. The uniformed patrolmen must carry openly. I'll let them do it.

On the other hand, Snake has a very valid point in that with the concealed carry, the bad guys don't know you are a threat to them. This gives you the advantage. While they are distracted with the open carry, or believe that you are not armed, they don't pay as much attention to you. That opens the door for you (the concealed carry individual) to escape alive and possibly someone else along with you. If you live where open carry is permitted, it becomes your choice as to whether you will carry openly or not. Texas does not have open carry, but, fortunately they do have concealed carry (by license). I think that a "Constitutional Carry" statute will, to some degree at least, reduce violent crime. The criminal is going to get a gun if he can find one and if he looks hard enough, he will find one. I would rather wait until I have to present my firearm, because by then I already have my mind made up. I intend to STOP the threat, or die trying.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 9:51 PM

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Right

That's my take on it too. Plus, if you are carrying openly and some dirtbag decides you are his target, you are alerting him to your defensive capability. If it's a real nut, they'll sneak up on you and cut your throat and take your gun.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:32 PM

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Your most dangerous weapon is your mind followed up by your most important weapon your body. Everything else is just an extension of the two.

I grew up in a violent home for much of my childhood and young adult life until the time which I turned 17 and went into the service to get away for it all and them.

For me, the thought of being a victim never really crosses my mind, but then again I learned long ago how to turn all feeling off and not care about anything in a moment.

If someone comes to me, lays in wait or goes for one of mine they had best be ready to die on the spot. Because I am not going to stop until everyone else around knows that they are dead and it finally comes to my mind after the fog clears away...

I carry two razor sharp knifes on my body which I can get at in any position standing, sitting or on the ground. I carry my wallet in my weak side pocket so when told to give up my wallet there is a choice of gun or knife. It comes too natural to me with knowing who is where and what is going on around me all the time. If I figure someone needs to be dead it would not mean shit to me if they end up that way even if I have to be the one putting them in that condition.

To me there are Human Beings and there are Animals that Prey on Human Beings which happen to walk standing on two feet mimicking human behavior. Most do not do it very well, there are too many tells which can not be covered.

So, fearing someone attaining my gun and using it on me really isn't something I even consider. When someone is that close you own them...

You ever notice in Cage fighting that they do not sit back and throw a bunch of punches like it is a Boxing match and they do not stand back and throw a bunch of kicks like it is a Taekwondo
match? They get in close and attempt to own the other up close and personal.

If your not confident you can keep your weapon, get kill with your hands to stop someone from getting it. You might consider some other type of training to fill out your abilities to protect yourself and your loved ones. imho

anyway.....

Randy, that number is kinda high, does it include LEO's who eat their own weapon?

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 12 weeks ago, 11:17 PM

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I'm not sure, but I don't think it did. The numbers are definitely old by now. I want to say that it was in some literature that I read when I went through the Police Academy some 30 years ago, but it could have been when I went through the Prison System's Academy about 25 years ago. It may have stated that it applied to "officers who died in the line of duty by a gun," but I'm not sure. I do know that more and more officers are shot and killed today without having given up their gun or even drawn it, than ever before. I attribute this to two things, 1) complacency, with the officers not taking into account the possible danger, and 2) the decay of society where more and more "Animals who prey on Humans and mimick human behavior" have less and less regard for human life.

The numbers are probably much less today than they were then. In either case as to where I was when I got the figures, they were something like 5 years old or maybe even older when I saw them. I do remember thinking to myself that the number was much higher than I would have suspected, and it seems as if they were definitely above 50% and I seriously think it was even above 75%. I could be wrong, but I don't think I'm far off as to what the number WAS when I got it.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 12:11 AM

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For them being killed with their own weapons. Yes the value of life has dropped dramatically in these times in many respects.

I remember fighting back in the 70's and we never had any problems with guns. But Baseball Bats or knives showed up. I think that the fear of prison kept most violence in check to some degree. Then in the 80's going to jail became a badge of honor or something, building a *rep* was the thing. The 90's turned into a show of how *hard* you are and RAP crap took hold. Now you have kids from good homes, family wealth and position in society means craps. White kids who run around playing like the are Brothers from Harlem's worst streets and have never lived in a home priced under $500,000.00 or had to walk a day in their life and dirve $25,000 cars at 16. Hell, Black kids also, never been in a Ghetto want to play like they grew up in the worst. Or those who have lived there and move out but bring it with them.

I remember when a person who killed someone or a number of people and was found guilty without a doubt was someone no one wanted to hear from let alone try and relate to what drove them to it. Now you can throw a Baby out a car window in a high speed chase on the Interstate and everyone feels for the perp because he claims his being BiPolar caused him to do it and he was abused and crap...

The two main issues are... That Society for the most part, collectively wants to caudal everyone no matter what, then Individually wants to be protected from those same perps which they caudaled in the past

And a Darker part of society which uses the first as an ACE in the hole as they do what, when and where they like without any fears because they either think that nothing will really happen to them or have convinced themselves that nothing at all matters, everyone fears them and/or they are going to take theirs at any cost.

Frankly speaking Jail, County Jail isn't crap, you read, eat, was, read, hand out, read, play chess, read, sleep, eat....

Whats the saying? " I can do that standing on my head "

Hell a Cop can bust a person and still be doing paper work when that same person walks out of jail the same day.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 12 weeks ago, 7:06 AM

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I fully agree!

The really sad part here is that State prisons aren't much different. Because of several judicial rulings in lawsuits around the country, including Texas, the Inmate now has more rights than you and I. They can refuse to go to work, (provided they are even assigned a job) and they will likely only get a few days of commissary restriction. They USED to go to their cells and DRAG them to work. Kitchen duty and usually the job of something like law library clerk are the two most desired positions. One because they get to eat a little better, the other because it is like working in an office. They are provided a gym, weight lifting equipment, a handball court, dominoes, chess sets and in Texas there are two to three 37"+ televisions in the dayrooms. If they have a dr.'s appointment, then they don't go to work for the half day when the appointment is. They used to bring them in from the field for the appointment and then take them back after it. Now they don't. Also if the temperature is 95 and rising, they don't go to the field at all, nor if it is I think 45 and falling. Hell, I have to go to work regardless of the temp unless there is snow on the ground and that is more because my boss realizes that there are too many others who can't drive on the snow and ice and he doesn't want his company vehicle wrecked. Before I had this job I went to work regardless of the weather. The State is also required to offer education programs. GED classes and trade schools at no cost to the inmate. This is regardless of whether they have an assigned job in the prison unit or not. They don't have to do anything to earn the priveledge of going to school. And if they do go to school, they get extra credit on their sentence for it (additional "good time"). If an inmate works the system right he can get something like three or four days credit for every day he serves. If he gets into trouble and catches a disciplinary case and loses some of his good time, he can get it back in a couple of months. Usually all of it. Even inmates who are in segregation can earn something like one day of good time for every day they are in and they are in their cells 22 to 23 hours a day.

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 5:34 PM

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Randy, snake Guys

Cannot let this one buy. I have seen it both ways in different country, and with about 50/50 results. Scenerio- guy walking thru store like wal-mart for some Ammo on sale & some shooting glasses, has a snub 38 in small of back and mostly or normally covered by shirt. So used to it though when he got out of car and walked in store did not feel shirt pull up a little. The tip of grip shows, a kid says look mommy a gun, lady yells what kind of animal are you, the sports det guy calls security and they are armed and confront guy, with weapons drawn. Whole damn store is piling out and people hitting the ground and store security is nervous and half cocked guns, will not let the guy talk. He drops to floor and lays his hands flat and says check my ID. Top security guard says throw it over here to my feet, while young guy does not here the top guy and when the man on the floor reaches for his wallett, the young guy shoots, and hits a mother of four in back. The guy on the floor is off duty cop required to carry at all times, the woman lives and sues, the young security guy that shoots and misses the target, gets fired and pays the rest of his life for nothing to the shot woman. If everybody in the stae new their are concealed carry laws and open carry laws, None of this would have happened, concludes judge and DA. The guy on the floor was my younger brother and new the sports dept guy for a long time and was always called when ammo was on sale, and new my brother was a cop!
Okay- now what, the stores like wal-mart stops selling glasses and ammo, the cops are forbidden even off duty to carry in case of emergency, which they are suspended if caught without a off duty weapon. Or do all you guys think it was a freak accident. No- it happens everywhere all the time and usually does not turn out so well. But in the states and other countries where you can carry anywhere any time even without concealed permit, everybody goes about their business and knows that fact and taught at a very young age to not mess with anybody wether they show a gun or not. Just stating a true story. JLC

4 years 5 weeks ago, 9:13 PM

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My response John,

In this case, it is a VERY unfortunate situation. For many reasons. When I was a cop, MANY years ago, we were EXPECTED but not required to carry off duty. The reason for that is this: "A cop is ALWAYS a cop!" If you happen upon a crime in progress you were expected to find a way to request backup and attempt to prevent the crime from being committed. All the cops carried their badge on duty and off especially if they were packing. If a kid said "look mommy, a gun." she would likely tell the kid he was an off duty police officer but just in case he wasn't she would likely steer clear of him. The kid would have just thought it was neat that the police went to the same store as they had and probably feel pretty safe.

Unfortunately, that is not the case these days. The guy on the ground SHOULD have stated out loud and loud enough for everyone close to hear, "I'm reaching for my wallet, DON'T fire." He should have then reached very slowly and purposefully for the ID wallet and shown his badge and police ID. Today most Walmart's post a sign on the doors stating that concealed carry weapons are not permitted in the store. The exemption to this, though not specifically stated, is cops. The "young security guard" should have paid attention to the lead guy. Let him be the first to fire, or at least wait until the guy had his hand on the weapon. Again, unfortunately, the young security guard thinks he is protecting his superior and fires and misses. It is unfortunate, but that shit happens. I believe that is one reason that so many places today don't want their security carrying guns unless they are real, off duty cops in uniform.

The law suit is expected today. It's called negligence. Do I think it's right? no, not really. In a sense, I guess I understand it, but no, I don't think it's right. I think it really is a case of improper training and preparation. When I was a very young security guard at the ripe old age of 19, our chief of security pulled everyone in periodically and presented us with different scenarios. He then asked us what we would do. If we responded incorrectly, he let us finish then told us where we were wrong and why. Most of the time we were right, at least for the most part. But we were all familiar with guns, and for the most part, not "half-cocked" num-nuts. I was the youngest, but with only two exceptions other than the chief, the least likely to fire unless I was truly sure of my target.

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 8:41 AM

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I agree with concealed and open carry- My brother said he dropped like a rock and spead them because the counter guy knew him and was shouting at the older guard, but the younger guy he had a feeling about, and had to keep his eye on the one with instructions being given. The younger guard did right in my book & my brothers by being on a halfway side of superior, but he was out of hearing range, and shouting at the same time his Boss was and sporting goods guy, and people going nuts. Anyway, ISD you probably heard a while back I may have said it before, so sorry if I did. But a half mile from me, at playground, w/kids two neighbors that apperantly had a ongoing squabble over the noise kids make. One guy was on playground w/ kid playing. The other guy lives across the street from playground and comes over and tells guy on playground that the area his kid is riding the skateboard is for basketball only. Asshole thing to do, big deal right! When the guys tells that he starts to turn and young 40 yr old guy with kid sees his .22lr in his belt. He lounges for it and in the scuffle it goes off and kills the 40 yr old instantly. The old guy has a ccl, was a cop all his life and retired in for some peace. They took his ccr away from him and confiscated all guns and ordered him out of neighborhood untill the judge changes her mind. That has been months now, the neighborhood says they will burn old cops house down if he comes back, right to the cops and paper, news crew etc. Why? Did he ask the superheroe why he carried a gun or does he have a ccr, no! But there is only 1 person left to tell the story, nobody else saw anything and was not there but kid and father and old cop. Living old cop has just about lost everything now, even 40 year reputation on force. You guys tell me if and when one was wrong? you cannot change or figure that should have or not happened, When the old cop was asked why he had the gun, he said "-I do not step out my door without protection " It is my right and freedom to go anywhere I want with any gun mostly concealed with my permit. All the guy had to do was let me walk away, instead he grabbed my gun and I tried to stop him and it went off." I am sorry " From the veteran cop. JLC

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 7:41 PM

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One more on open carry

I have got to say this even though the country we live in is not suppose to be at war, but some places and a hell of a lot of them are on a daily basis. I am not going to bore anybody with statistics, but I am going to tell you from personal experience. Some of you guys will say that was war, and world war and conflicts and shit for breakfast countries. But look around you now, Libyia, Africa, everywhere. When you are in these countries uniformed or not, aka sp-ops- Everybody is assumed armed, it could be a friggin rake or garden tool or a AK. Whatever it is . If you want to live , you better be looking badder and meaner than anybody else and have eyes in the back of your head. Or you are the first to get it, not the other way around. A lot of people think that lady is so quiet and calm and young or look at that nice boy helping someone. Take it from somebody with so many hand to hand kills on streets and gas stations, and in front of busses and coke machines, and yes jungles, but all I have left is f@@k@@g nightmares and flashbacks of some friends who gave the benefit of the doubt, scars up the ass to neck and head, and thankyous from Gov. officials. When you kill a man, or a woman, or a young kid with a knife or bare hands or gun, no matter why, you never are the same afterwards, looking at the whole world in every restaurant and store and bustop and the guy or woman looking thru their blinds across the street and wondering what if. It does not go away! You learn to live with it and that is why your fathers and any others in city or village combat, do not talk about it, to anyone, ever! Now most of the wars is drones and a hummer hitting a mine or a sniper and missle attacks. When you have been there and did that, you never forget how many and who was 1st and last, because there is no last, really at least in your mind. Some of you guys are dam lucky that you never had to kill someone even at 30 yards. It is not the same as Hunting, or being scared walking home from a bad area. Once you did the deed and I do not care where, you are a different human being and the word even has a different meaning. Two years ago I went to chicago with my wife to a concert at christmas no less, my daughter lived nearby and my wife wanted to ride the new trolley system although not complete. To my No way at midnight, to we are leaving tommorrow, and I want to see it and then I can always say I was on it. You are always thinking people are bad? I said fine, and boarded. No one on, all alone going straight to Hotel and wife says see. Next stop 2 guys get on and give me that look, you know the look. I have my 9mm and my knife 15" blade in boot at angle. One walks around to the end of car, and other stays by door. then the one by door says you good folks from out of town?.Visiting for x-mass? I said nothing. I reached down to tie my shoe and looked up and out the corner of my eye saw the other guy about 6' from me, and coming for my wife, I pulled my nam knife and split his armpit and wheeled around and put it to the others throat. While my wife was silent in terror the fagait I opened up screamed and dropped a 7" blade out of his coat pocket when he tried to hold his arm, the train stopped and I told my wife to get off and I stood right in doorway with knife to the others throat, untill door shut. We caught a cab and was only a block from Hotel it turns out. Left 6am next morning and never heard a thing, about it from daughter who was there for another 7 months looking on news and papers, and heresay from friends that grow up there and live their now. But they told her nobody, but nobody takes the trolley after 9PM in that area or any other. My punishment, more flashbacks, no sleep, but wife that is very careful now and listens to me when I say it is not a good idea. Daughter does not know all details to this day, just asked her to check the news and papers because we saw a lot of what looked like blood and got off quick. Guys, I am not a heroe, I am just somebody that has gone thru a certain kind of hell for a long time, and was faced with prejudice when came home, and a sixth sense- and my mother who is turning 86 in ten days and says to me all the time, you were my good John Boy then they took you and thank god you came back, but they took a piece of you and kept it. I see it in your eyes, like when your father came home from ww2, and he never got it back, and you will never get it back again. This country took 3 of my decent boys and turned them into their defenders,w/ their ideals and thoughts. I just pray that this is my last birthday and never see you or your brothers die before me. Hell of a thought for a 86 year old mother of seven, in NJ on her 86th b-day, w/ I have enough flags already. What do I say to that ? What do I say to my 2 daughters who's husbands are candyasses. What do I say while standing on my fathers and brothers grave. I used to count the casings from the 21 gun salute, and lign them up, and then my friends faces that did not make it would appear in my dreams. Once you do it, you will see, it feels and makes you different. I am sorry I had to say this you guys. Iknow most will think I am nuts. But I am not. just closer to the problem than most. There are no rational answers guys. You will do what you have too when it is your time. I guess I have said enough huh. For me anyway. John

4 years 12 weeks ago, 9:56 PM

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I can tell you this much.

It happens all to often that a person who is careful 99.99999% of the time reaches for something in a diner or other public place. Bend's down to put a kid who tripped back on their feet or the wind blows their shirt up and the Cop's get a call for "Man with a Gun"....

You could now face having your license to carry taken away for good, fines and jail.

Everyone I know here in Florida who does carry wants to see the Open Carry bill pass for us. Not because we want to run around scaring the hell out of people or play like it is the Wild West (which was not like it was depicted in the movies with daily shootouts in the street at the ring of 12:00 sharp) we do think it is a good thing because it takes away uncalled for hassles.

The Odd thing is, if you are out in public, Fishing, Hunting, Camping and various outdoors activites, you can carry openly. This is for protection from various dangerous animals and seen as acceptable.

So I am definitely for it...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 12 weeks ago, 9:59 PM

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You hit the Nail on the Head! I read somewhere once that something like 85% of all cops killed with a gun were killed with their own gun. That is why they are taught that they are NEVER to willingly give up their gun to an assailant. I don't want someone targeting me because I'm carrying openly, and I don't want them to get the drop on me and be able to take it either.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:09 PM

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I'm with you ISD

I want to see it pass. Not because I want to carry openly, but I don't want to have to deal with the "Man with a Gun" response. If I were in that scenario, and the cops showed up, I would do exactly as they told me to do, and be as cooperative as I am capable. If you follow those rules, the police are more likely to let you go. Sure they will question you, but you are more likely to be told to be more careful in the future. That may not be the case where you live, but for the most part it is here. Sure you are going to have some young Gung-ho rookie sooner or later who is going to read you the riot act, and the best thing I have found is to say "yes sir," and "no sir" in the appropriate places and hope that he will let you go. Other times take the ride, hope that his supervisor will show more sense, or in a worst case, hope that the D. A. will not press charges.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:13 PM

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class instructor told me that if your sidearm is accidentally exposed, it's OK. Just as long as you aren't brandishing. But I always take the approach that I'm concealing for a reason, so keep it hidden.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:11 PM

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I live in texas, and we also has a CCW and no OC... However, in reply to what you said, Texas law states " that a reasonable attempt to conceal must be made". So while if a gun flashes, it's not that big of a deal.... Only had police notified on me once, and the cop just gave me a verble warning... Maybe I am just lucky.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:26 PM

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open carry and concealed carry,dealers choice.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:37 PM

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pretty much seems to be the consensus here so far. Personally, given the choice, I would choose concealed carry. Like Saint J. M. and Ronin, I too live in Texas. My CCW instructor told us pretty much the same thing. However, she also warned us that sooner or later, someone will call the police, or a business owner or their representative will either call the cops or ask you to leave, or both, should your firearm become visible even for a second. The law states that the firearm "must remain concealed at all times...." Obviously, it is inevitable that you will inadvertantly "flash" at some point and there are provisions that cover that. You just have to be as careful as possible, and cooperate with the store or the police.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:38 PM

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Some of the locals feel that no one should carry and they wouldn't if the job did not demand if of them. That is one of the reasons we see so few of them down at the range training after getting signed off by their FTO (Field Training Officer)...

Though after this last month I see a change coming and our door is going to be swinging like a Bar's Bat wing doors in Texas during August after a round up.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 12 weeks ago, 11:37 PM

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ISD,

When I worked LE and later as a Prison Guard, I was somewhere practicing, at least once a month. I did everything from shooting from cover to shooting from the hip as if I had been writing a traffic citation. Later when I was a guard, I practiced shooting from a perch as if from a guard tower. I couldn't always practice with the weapons that I would be using but I used a revolver, a shotgun and a .22. I would shoot at rabbits, squirrels, and even get some one to pull a target from a safe position (they were beside or behind me with a string or some twine strung around a tree).

I hope that you do see more officers at the range. I hope that they do the failure drills and become proficient in them. I HOPE that the "Powers that be" will demand that they spend more time on the range. I personally think that there should be a designated officer whose job it is to document their proficiency not only in firing, but in clearing jams and malfunctions. That is my opinion.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 12:15 AM

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they need to make it a requirement not an option...

Same as Vests, Officer Dave Crawford died from four shots to the torso with a level 3 vest laying in the back seat of his car. It was a requirement that he have one, but not that he wear it...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:44 PM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 12 weeks ago, 12:19 AM

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Be safe, sleep well...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 12 weeks ago, 10:43 PM

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First off, the cop thing. Cops insert themselves into situation in which they are dealing with the criminals. I'm not sure how often criminals actually target a cop, attack, disarm, and engage him or her with the service weapon. I'm assuming it's rare.

Criminals are mostly opportunistic predators. They prey on those they think are weak enough to beat without much chance of harm to themselves. More often than not, if they see an OC citizen, they will look for someone else. Now, having said that, I also realize that being selected by a violent predator is not likely, and if I've already beaten those odds, I'd rather not have to worry about taking the chance that my attacker is the type to see my gun, shoot me in the back of the head right away with his own, and take off with my wallet and gun. I like the element of surprise. It has served me well in ugly places and it'll be a comforting buddy here stateside also.

I alo truly believe that it is only a matter of time before our nation sees a series of Mumbai-style small arms and IED attacks, probably in multiple cities at the same time. If I am in an area targeted, having an open gun will almost certainly get me shot before anyone else and I will be of no use to anyone. At least with a concealed weapon, I stand a high probability of losing a multiple rifle - vs - my Glock fight rather than a guaranteed first round death.

Open carry can be a good thing for our image, provided you make a good ambassador to those who aren't part of our culture. If I'm coming back from a range, I will often leave my competition belt on with my G34 and four spare mags because if I stop to get gas or pick up a couple things for the house, I'm likely to be asked about it or at least make eye contact with one of the curious people. This gives me an opportunity to help dispel the notiont that we're all flannerl-wearing, deer poaching rednecks, KKK fags, or anti-gubmint militia types. this may help create more gun owners, or at least help prevent more misinformed anti-gunners.

There are pros and cons of both, but I really think all states should allow that flexibility. Or, as I like to call it, all states should ensure that our right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Whatever works.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 3:44 PM

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good thought runaway

it is sad that in america us gun lovers/owners need to be concerned with weather to cary concealed or open.in the event of a terorist atack as runaway mentioned you would mostlikly be shot.why?because guns are not normal in or scociety anymore.it is nice to have the upper hand and element of suprise of carying concealed,however the fear factor of seeing that you are carying will also keep the wolves at bay in most situations,or cops wouldnt be able to go where they go,with reasonable safety.i know i would never walk down a street in compton,or a similar area because i dont have a reasonabe degree of safety,but if i had the batman utility belt full of goodies that leos have id have a higher chance of walking through safely.if at least half the population of any area was caying open all the time most criminals would be less likely to try anything,not just from fear of the victim,but of other citizens aswell.ofcourse you would have badguys carying too,just like the old days,but they carry now so what would be diferent?just my opinion.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 11:15 PM

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that reminds me

our old Governor,Tim Pawlenty,found out that the local prison in Stillwater had 47 inch TVs purchased for the inmates,he found out who orderd them and fired them, only after he had the 47 inch flat screens delivered and installed in the veterans home.Common sense.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
4 years 5 weeks ago, 11:54 AM

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Randy

I talked with my wife and discovered that when I was going in for my Transplant that I gave my fathers ring to him so no one else would end up with it if things turned out bad. But the ashtray is in the garage in a box and when I come across it I will post a picture of it for you, also see if my son will take a picture of the ring and email it to me.

The Ashtray is the interesting thing to me because it has some interesting tool work on it.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 5 weeks ago, 1:58 PM

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ISD,

I'm betting the "interesting tool work" you are talking about is what we call "working tools" they are representative of the tools used by stone masons as far back as the building of King Soloman's Temple. They include the square, level, plumb, 24" guage, gavel, trowel and compass. Each has it's own use and purpose. If I see a picture and can distinguish them, I'll tell you which is which.

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4 years 5 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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nap time... lol

Lazy day, opened the range today and closed at 1:00 so I get to sleep for a bit before cook out.
Ya'll have a great Easter!

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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