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2 years 52 weeks ago, 2:47 AM

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so do you think this is a good idea or a bad one plus why? A few states have open carry laws and florida is thinking of haveing them now. TY

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2 years 52 weeks ago, 3:02 AM

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we just talked about it at the range today.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 52 weeks ago, 3:06 AM

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Florida already has open carry in certain situations

On your way to, during and from Camping, Hiking, Fishing and Hunting you can carry a firearm openly and you are not breaking any laws.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 52 weeks ago, 3:09 AM

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http://www.gunslot.com/forum/open-carry-gets-pass-florida

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 52 weeks ago, 3:32 AM

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tallguy007 wrote:
so do you think this is a good idea or a bad one plus why? A few states have open carry laws and florida is thinking of haveing them now. TY

All but 3 states allow Open Carry and it isn't the Wild West or cause any problems.

3 States that do not allow it yet
Florida, Illinois, Texas

35 States that allow it out right:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
STATES THAT

12 States that require a permit
Connecticut, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 51 weeks ago, 8:17 PM

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Yes i believe every one should have the right to buy and wear there weapon.But it is up to them to know when and were to walk around with there weapon.But for example a person buys a weapon that person is wearing the weapon now they have problem were should use the weapon but dont and get there ass kicked and now there is another weapon flouting on the streets. So what i am trying to say is if you are going to wear a weapon dont do it to look cool do it for protection or to a showing.

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1 year 11 weeks ago, 5:13 AM

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The second amendment gives us the right to bear arms. This I hold the constitution as the law that doesn't change. So yes, I believe we should be able to carry weapons as we choose. (plus whose gunna try to mug a guy who has big iron on his hip.

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 8:48 PM

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Ishootdaily wrote:

All but 3 states allow Open Carry and it isn't the Wild West or cause any problems.

3 States that do not allow it yet
Florida, Illinois, Texas

35 States that allow it out right:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
STATES THAT

12 States that require a permit
Connecticut, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee

Georgia does not allow open carry out right. You have to have a GWL in order to open carry here.

2 years 33 weeks ago, 10:28 AM

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Ishootdaily wrote:
tallguy007 wrote:
so do you think this is a good idea or a bad one plus why? A few states have open carry laws and florida is thinking of haveing them now. TY

All but 3 states allow Open Carry and it isn't the Wild West or cause any problems.

3 States that do not allow it yet
Florida, Illinois, Texas

35 States that allow it out right:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
STATES THAT

12 States that require a permit
Connecticut, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee

Don't everyone move here at once, but rumor has it that here in sunny Arizona, concealed carry no longer requires a permit. While I believe that this is good and helps Americas no infringment status, I always thought that permits insurred that one was educated in "right from wrong". One needs to be educated on "when, where, why, and the consaquinces of down range".

2 years 19 weeks ago, 1:55 AM

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Well thanks to Gov. Brown CA is now a no open cary, hard to get a CCW in metro areas. Also it is now also illegal to own a gun that is not a real firearm such as airsoft, BB, toy guns etc, with out it being painted one of the approved colors, red, orange, green, etc.

Also Brown has made it law that long guns/shotguns need to be registered like pistols. And the list grows longer every year however stupid is crimes with firearms rise higher and higher!!!

1 year 36 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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California took away the right to open carry around six months ago. They also do not honor my Washington, St. CCP. The gun laws in The State of California are a joke. They are so, UNAmerican. The American way is with the NRA.

1 year 36 weeks ago, 3:23 PM

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Am from LA CALI and family has moved to WASH.. think of how well welfare has done the U.S.A. a lot of it out there and most are not vet's :>( SOOOO SAAAAD ON THAT !!!!

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1 year 36 weeks ago, 4:48 PM

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1 year 10 weeks ago, 10:07 AM

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BANGBANGYD wrote:
California took away the right to open carry around six months ago. They also do not honor my Washington, St. CCP. The gun laws in The State of California are a joke. They are so, UNAmerican. The American way is with the NRA.

Well look who the new gun ban list came from????? Commisar Feinstein. WTF is a Nazi bithch from a State that has laws like that able to shove her beliefs and views from a state as messed up in yheir gun views as hers??? She has no fear in the upcoming election brcause the elected her even after she passed the last ban that expired. The should have shit canned her ass after her last one that bitch is fugly. Stick a couple bolts on her neck and she its a perfect likeness of frankenstein. People have been saying for the last 4 years Furher Obama was gonna take our guns now its priving to be true. Try open carrying a gun now!!!! Bet you have the cops on ya like a hound with fleas. To many FFF's and Crusaders around eventhough were law abiding citizens and obeying the law

2 years 52 weeks ago, 11:45 AM

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our most knowledgable members. These postings are available in the history files, for all who are interested.
SEE: "Let's talk open carry[OC] versus concealed carry [CC], AGAIN!"
1Year and 6 weeks ago.

In any discussion of the states--it is useful to distinguish between unrestricted open carry, versus restricted open carry.

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2 years 52 weeks ago, 11:31 AM

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From an earlier post:
http://www.gunslot.com/forum/open-carry-0

My opinion is two-sided. I believe free citizens should be allowed to carry openly. Not to mention that restricting this would be infringing the right to keep and BEAR arms. Which is unconstitutional, right?
But on the other hand, I do like the concept of concealed carry. For handguns, anyway. The reason I say this is because it makes more sense in the sense of firearms as crime deterrence and self defense. The great thing about conceal is that the a-holes don't know who is armed, and they have to be afraid.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 6:53 AM

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I love it because, I get to see all the different weapons people have.Also like concealed carry because it makes the bad guys nervous as to whos going to shoot them.

2 years 51 weeks ago, 1:41 PM

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unrestricted open carry should be allowed everywhere.concealed carry should be allowed also.my opinion,everyone should be allowed to conceal,or openly carry everywhere but court,and places like that.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 6:41 PM

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Open carry should be allowed. I think it would be wrong to tell the American people that you can't open carry at all. There are always instances where you may not be able to carry or places you can't. Like schools, courthouses, government buildings. But for the most part I agree with this 100%.

2 years 51 weeks ago, 6:47 PM

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I plead the 2nd

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
That's about as plain as white bread.
Open, concealed, loaded, cocked, locked, whatever.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 8:48 PM

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Frankly speaking I think there is a time and place for it. But eveyday walking around with a pistol on your hip and 4 extra mags at the waste is moronic.

Just like the dipshit that took and slung an AR over his shoulder and went to Obamas Town Meeting or whatever it was. That was not the time to play like that, IMO it only showed his ego and arrogance....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 51 weeks ago, 9:12 PM

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I could open carry if I wanted to but I think its a bad idea in my view. Reason being is people would look at me like "Mr.Tough Guy Carrying a gun in view just to show off or look for trouble" and well I dont want that kind of attention. When I start to carry I want to conceal my firearm and only present it under threatening situations. I dont want anyone knowing until a threat occurs. Thats my humble opinion.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 7:31 AM

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I also don't prefer to open carry myself. There is always a time and place for it. I believe in Concealed carry too. But for the people that want to open carry they should have every right to do so.

2 years 51 weeks ago, 9:31 PM

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* There is no law against a law-abiding citizen openly carrying a firearm, therefore it is legal and no permit or license is required.

* "Open carry" is the carrying of a firearm that is not concealed. Virginia defines concealed as "hidden from common observation" and "a weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature."

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2 years 44 weeks ago, 7:58 PM

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A long time ago, but like the way you said that, very insightfull Jon/John

2 years 41 weeks ago, 2:21 PM

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You have to be careful in which city you choose to open carry.I have open carried a Glock 17 for 15 years.I live in Norfolk and the cops are fairly use to some people carrying openly.However in Virginia Beach the cops are assholes and they will harrass you.In the city of Chesapeake they have a law from the late 1800's that says no person may carry a loaded firearm on a public street ,and they strictly enforce that law.They will lock you up and they will confiscate your gun. I refuse to go to the Shitty of Chesapeake for any reason. Including any festival, jubilee, shopping, purchasing gasoline,etc. BEWARE OF CHESAPEAKE AND VIRGINIA BEACH!!!

2 years 51 weeks ago, 12:14 PM

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Open carry in Illinois.....hell we can't even get concealed carry. Maybe this year. Hopefully.

1 year 10 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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It's likely considering the "ban" in Illinois and especially Chicago has just recently been found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The state has been given 184 days to respond and it sounds like they are going to come up with some sort of permit rules and regs. so people can carry.

2 years 51 weeks ago, 1:32 PM

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we can open carry here,but it must be unloaded,and i guess there is a precedent saying even magazines and ammo must be visible(or you have a cocealed weapon).legal to open carry unloaded on public,and private property(without knowledge of a gun free school zone).loaded open carry on private property(without knowledge of a gun free school zone)or at your home or temporary residence such as campsite/hotel.....the major problem is gun free school zones are any area within 1000 ft of a schools property,and some dickhead judge has ruled that private property open to the public is not private property at all.this COULD be interpreted to mean your place of business is not a legal place for you to have a loaded weapon!below i list another overlaping section of law 12026(b)that says it is legal,you kinda take your chances i guess.

12026. (a) Section 12025 shall not apply to or affect any citizen of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who resides
or is temporarily within this state … who carries, either openly or concealed, anywhere within the citizen's or legal resident's place of
residence, place of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident any pistol, revolver, or
other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen of the United
States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state … to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry,
either openly or concealed, a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within the citizen's or legal
resident's place of residence, place of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.

bassicly they make it impossible or very difficult to understand the law,and where a(gun free zone) is.in my town there are schools everywhere,and to carry a gun legaly you must stay outside 1000 ft of their property.this can be extremely hard to do,especialy when they are sometimes within that distance to one another,and a few schools are actually located in shopping areas,and id assume by school they mean anywhere school activities take place,so id stay away from anywhere R.O.P regional occupational training takes place too.this is really limiting,and hard to keep track of.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 3:58 PM

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open carry law are important, because lets say you carry concealed and you bend over and your sidearm shows for whatever reason someone calls the cops, they come and you have to show that your legal to carry but if they are no open carry laws in the state your in you chould get in troble for just that reason I stated above.

2 years 51 weeks ago, 8:30 PM

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i met a guy who was arrested,and had his gun destroyed for a similar type of situation as mentioned above.guy walking down the street(licensed to carry concealed) was carrying his pistol in his waistband under his shirt,when a gust of wind blew it up above his piece.a concerned citizen with the very best of intentions im sure called it in.the cops arrived and had him on the ground with guns drawn and the whole bit.he showed his permit to carry,but they arrested him for carrying open while loaded.his gun was destroyed and he lost his gun rights.WELCOME TO CALIFORNIA,the go fuck yourself state!

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 9:03 PM

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Assume for a minute, that I'm traveling around the country visiting family and friends. I let you know that I'm going to be passing through your area on a certain day and we agree to meet. You suggest a place and I show up. Unfortunately for me we are within 1000 feet of a school, but I didn't know about it. We decide to go to your place to have a couple of beers, but as I'm pulling onto the street, I have a minor traffic violation and get stopped. I have my pistol concealed under the seat and show the officer my concealed carry permit from Texas. I inform him that I have a weapon concealed under the seat and obey all his commands. I learn about the school when he tell me that I was within 1000 yards of a school and therefore violating the gun free zone. I apologize and inform him that I had just arrived and was not aware of the school as I was just visiting a friend and had never been to Redding. What are the chances I go to jail and lose my gun in the process?

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 12:08 AM

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the chances are almost 100% you would be arrested,and lose your weapon and your rights if found guilty.california is very hard on "gun crime" reddings police force is a fucking joke known for taking things too far,or almost inventing problems,or at least being hardnosed about issues that could easily be let pass.the law says reasonable knowledge of a gun free school zone,but they would probably arrest you even if you show that you are not from our town,even if you have a california permit to carry (kind of a killem all and let god sortem out mentality).even if they didnt bust you for the gun free zone though theyd get you for having a concealed weapon without a permit because cali dosnt recognize other states permits.so far as i know anyway.i think you would be lucky to get out of trouble anywhere in cali,redding is bad about stuff like that though,the leos here act like they are in south central L.A. most of the time.try not to come here for any reason,but if you do let me know,and ill help fill you in on cali regulations.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 9:32 PM

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Mush of what they do is on a discretionary based opinion. If you live within 1000 feet of a school and you own firearms they can not tell you that you have to move nore that you can not put them in your car and go to the range and or hunting.

Everyone knows the saying "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" , though it would be ignorance of location in this instance, which is true enough but it is a mitigating factor none the less.

I'd call it a 50 / 50 crap shoot...

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 12:25 AM

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you are right they cant tell you you cannot have guns,of transport them for that matter, but as far as carrying them goes im sure theyd bust you.at least in redding ca,based on my knowledge of most of the cops ive dealt with and heard about(some instances in the papers/tv news).they recently destroyed a gun that was unloaded,locked up in a car,with ammo in a separate area,on a dui arrest.was it a good idea to drink and drive?NO,but the weapon wasnt involved,if the wanted to destroy something as a penalty the car would have been a much more appropriate choice.i got pulled over when i was 18,for a broken tail light,2 units with 2 leos in each got out and when they saw i had a folding pocket knife on my dash the fuckin flipped out,guns pointed at me hands out the window bla bla bla...never told me i could remove my seatbelt,so when he tried to pull me out i couldnt move he pointed that gun right at my face an kept saying "stop resisting"once they got me and my friends out of the car it was 20 questions time where ya goin?where ya been?anything in the car?.....they pulled my whole car apart,even took the back seat out.the whole time im being questioned by another cop about why i have a knife and why such a big one(keep in mind the blade is probably only 2 3/4 inches.then suddenly they "got a call they had to respond to" and they jumped in the cars and took off.got lots of bad stories about our police department.(there used to be video of them arresting a kid at the skate park and threatening to arrest others if they didnt turn off their cameras and step away)it was on youtube,guess the kid was a mentor and a straight A student,and volunteered at the youth center there and everything.ca sucks redding ca really sucks.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 1:39 AM

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kids were arrested for not following instructions and leaving the park.it was a church sponsored event with appropriate licenses and everything.the da later droped all charges,cops hat to issue a public apology. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viHU3igaUfI

this is one of our worst ones cop rapes girl... http://www.copblock.org/295/cop-rapes-a-woman-in-the-back-of-his-patrol-... http://www.redding.com/news/2011/apr/21/anderson-names-acting-police-chief/

By Tim Hearden, Record Searchlight
July 20, 2005
Shasta County has reached a $390,000 settlement with the family of a 23-year-old Redding man who died last year while in the custody of a sheriff's deputy.
The amount is far less than the $1.4 million first sought by Songka Philapandeth, whose son, Khamhane Philapandeth, was asphyxiated during a struggle with former deputy Gregory Dean and security guards at Win-River Casino.
The family settled for the lower amount to avoid a jury trial and be assured of a lump-sum payment rather than installments paid over years, said Chris Mathews, a Los Angeles-based attorney representing the family.

cant find the ones from a while back where they beat a man to death by the train tracks because they thought he was a bumb,and he didnt cooperate,and couldnt find where they almost killed an old lady by shooting her window out of her car because they thought it was the same car they were chasing either.ill be on the lookout though.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 9:38 AM

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I belive we should have both in the state of florida. I really do hope the open carry law goes into effect

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 10:36 PM

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it should be legal everywhere!i agree jeffashbyjr.

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 9:17 AM

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But it's the one's that just want to use it any time and do not know how!!!! some one cut's them off they start shooting and do not know how so other's are hurt,killed.There is no right wrong answer train every one at lest once a year on a weekend make them train for a day if they want it that bad!!!! Hell I
I'll go for the training in the woods every weekend lol TY

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 11:31 PM

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STOP! right there, I feel you are a dire threat to my health and well being if you continue to advance upon me I will defend myself and you will be shot. Turn around and LEAVE NOW!

They keep coming or go for a weapon, they called the tune so it's their dance....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 50 weeks ago, 9:50 AM

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Why not change the law so that only rubber bullets could be "open carried"? Yeah you won't kill the aggressor, but it would give you a chance to run.
Don't get me wrong here though. If your going to carry a weapon, you better be ready to use it. Likewise to any idiot out there that wants to approach you AND knows your carring. They better be ready to get shot. Personally I think it would be a good idea to have your first shot a rubber (or beanbag) shot. If the dipshit gets up and continues......The next 7 or more are real.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 10:07 AM

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huh?

1. If it comes out of a working firearm, it is lethal force. If someone pulls an actual gun, regardless of whether it's full of hollowpoints or Skittles, it's lethal force and will be responded to, prosecuted as, and viewed publicly as such.

2. 'Rubber bullets' typically do not function well in any standard sidearm, nor do plastic or other less-lethal projecticles. Likewise, mixing rounds of widely varying weights/velocities will induce malfunctions in many firearms. It's a lousy, hardly workable idea.

3. A majority of actual less-lethal cartridges have a very real possibility of serious injury to the receiver. If you're going to gouge out eyes, break ribs, avulse facial features, etc., you may as well use actual antipersonnel ammunition and stop them.

4. Handgun-caliber less-lethal cartridges are very unlikely to stop a person's aggressive actions.....hell even actual/real ammunition is a lousy way to stop a committed adversary. Plenty of folks get a handful of bullets in them and don't even feel it--they're sure as hell not going to stop b/c a single .35-45cal LL projectile dings them.

Less-lethal projectile weapons are a very specialized, narrow force option, only beneficial when a person is contained, outnumbered, and needs to be apprehended. Even 12ga LL is not a great 'stopper'....40mm yes, 12ga/pistol, not so much. That, and plug someone with a LL handgun cartride with zero training (there is zero training available for the system b/c no one actually uses it) and see how your criminal trial or civil lawsuit goes.

If you're not ready to seriously injure or kill someone, don't use a firearm.

2 years 50 weeks ago, 10:53 AM

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No way I would trust LL rounds in a life threatening situation. The only situation I would even think of it is if I had an aggressor with a non projectile weapon and I had plenty of space and time. Then it would be nice to give him some OC, rubber slug or tri-dent buckshot or whatever, but I would only do that if someone else had me covered with live ammo.... I hear people talk about loading a LL round first for home defense. Their idea is that they want to try to stop the aggressor without applying deadly force if possible. The problem, as TX said, there's a good chance that it won’t cycle properly, especially in an auto. Then you're SOL when you piss him off. If anything, maybe try regular OC or a taser, but have your primary weapon on the target at all times. Even then, it’s risky. The whole idea of having to draw your weapon is to stop a threat that is going to cause you or someone else severe bodily harm and/or death. The quickest way to stop the threat is live defense ammo.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
2 years 50 weeks ago, 11:59 AM

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@ Reaper and TX

As far as home defense goes. Thats all out, no holds barred, kill'em all let God sort them out. I just thought it would be a nice thing for those people that are affraid of killing someone. Although Reaper your right "having to draw your weapon is to stop a threat that is going to cause you or someone else severe bodily harm and/or death." Given that statement and TX's "That, and plug someone with a LL handgun cartride with zero training (there is zero training available for the system b/c no one actually uses it)" perhaps you two should get together and start a LL training school. Just imagine all the liberals that would be lined up out your door. Please remember where you got the idea.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 1:47 PM

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rubber baby buggy bumpers.reaper and txl are right this is a bad idea for so many reasons already stated above.additionaly some states(california) i know for sure dont allow less lethal,or flachette rounds at all,so they certainly wouldnt want you carrying them around all the time.as mentioned above by txl,defending yourself in a court criminal or civil,you would be accused of trying to mame and injure and probably end up going down for assult with a deadly weapon with intent to do great bodily harm.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 11:10 AM

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I think it should pass because it would keep the honest man honest and provide protection to everyone. It would also make an on the fence crook think twice about who they try to assault. I carry one anyway. I would rather the cops catch me with my gun than have a criminal catch me without it.

2 years 50 weeks ago, 11:22 AM

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WEBJUMPER wrote:
I would rather the cops catch me with my gun than have a criminal catch me without it.

Well put!

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 2:07 PM

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so true

As the bad guys have it any ways and if some one has one and can use it to stop the bad guy I'm all for it but do not go LOOKING for the moment. TY

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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It'd be good $$, but I refuse to train hippies....if someone doesn't want to hurt someone in defense of their person, then they shouldn't be armed with anything at all. Or, just never leave the house .... hippies in their own hovels and/or unarmed suits me just fine.

2 years 50 weeks ago, 1:26 PM

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Amen

Amen

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Now just get it for the rest of the nation instead of forbidding us our 2nd amendment rights.

2 years 44 weeks ago, 5:34 PM

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I live in Maine. I have a concealed carry permit. Maine also has an open carry law. If i carry open and loaded am I breaking the law?

2 years 44 weeks ago, 5:50 PM

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mainecathunter wrote:
I live in Maine. I have a concealed carry permit. Maine also has an open carry law. If i carry open and loaded am I breaking the law?

Firearms may be loaded and openly carried in cars only with a permit/license.
http://www.opencarry.org/me.html

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 44 weeks ago, 7:55 PM

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Nothing about permits well- a birdie told me the cops are going to swap gift certicates from walmart and target to turn guns in and only 50.00 for some& 100.00 for assualt weapons, I have also been told it is not illegal to buy the weapon of your choice from a person that is heading in the direction of the police turn in point, which is three different places. As long as you get address name and age over 18 and their signature saying gun was clean to the best of their knowledge. The person who told me got a couple of over and under british shotguns for skeet from a 25 year old attorney who could not be bothered with them when handed down to him from wifes uncle in england. Yes they were Brownings and the dick still has them, they are like worth 6 grand a piece. silver all over and beautiful mahoganny boxes. Still pisses me off. Is it legal or not, or what have you got to lose right? As long as you do not stand by a cop and buy a thompson sub machine gun.? JOhn

2 years 44 weeks ago, 9:56 PM

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There is no Law that says you can not purchase a Legal Firearm standing next to a person in line to trade it in for a WallyWorld or Target certificate.

Largo and Clearwater Police are doing a Buy Back until the end of the month. They are mostly seeing throw downs showing up. The old no name imports of the late 70's and early 80's in 32 cal - 38 cal are the more common ones showing up. Nothing of any real value so far as I've been told by a couple of guys working the tables.

All weapons received will be traced, logged then destroyed by cutting them into 2 or more pieces.

It doesn't matter if it is a mint condition Colt Python or a Jennings 22.... It could be a Historic weapon from the Revolution and if it hits that table, it gets recorded, pictures taken, traced, then cut up....

Just like the Aussies and the Brits did it when they forced everyone to sell the government their weapons. This is done on a volunteer basis here in the US, so far...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 44 weeks ago, 7:38 AM

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These are the most ridiculous programs regarding "public safety". In my opinion, they are only encouraging firearm theft from, well, thieves.

No legit firearm owner I know of would participate, and the criminals aren't going to sell their "tools". Not their useful ones anyway. So what is going to happen? I know the police are going to take the seller's information and if the firearm turns up hot, they can go back to this info. But it's not like these guys don't already have falsified info and they can also sell their crap guns and buy new ones.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid.

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2 years 44 weeks ago, 6:33 PM

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these things are totaly stupid,should be forced to show the statistics of how it lowers crime,or be forever banned.

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2 years 44 weeks ago, 2:06 PM

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huh???

Ishootdaily wrote:
mainecathunter wrote:
I live in Maine. I have a concealed carry permit. Maine also has an open carry law. If i carry open and loaded am I breaking the law?

Firearms may be loaded and openly carried in cars only with a permit/license.
http://www.opencarry.org/me.html

OK, what the hell good is an unloaded gun?

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2 years 44 weeks ago, 7:01 PM

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Well now that you ask.

It's New England and they are very proper and prim...

"Excuse me Mr Car Jacker while I load my personal defense firearm won't you please?"

Ehhh, you have to consider that in probably 85 % of the state if you get picked up for a jail time type offense you end up spending 3 - 7 days driving around the state in a Van picking people up to be driven down to Machias to go to court. LOL

really really...

Least ways that was how it was up in Calais, Grand Lake Stream, Woodland, and on and on...
I lived up there right on the Canadian Border, hell it wasn't until the 70's that they got a Hospital no bigger than a Veterinarians office to deliver Babies in. That's why my Father, Uncles, Aunts and everyone else's born up that way have Duel Citizenship being American and being Born in Saint Stephens Canada.

I think about everyone with a gun has it loaded in the car though, out in the no where near here places. Or one they can load quicken than piss.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 3 weeks ago, 1:37 PM

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Each state guns laws are different. Research the Maine guns laws about open carry. That's your best option right there.

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2 years 44 weeks ago, 7:50 PM

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Elderly Widows who have a number of fire arms which their dead husbands owned and have no clue what to do with them (read collectibles, collectibles and junk).

Lorcins, Jennings and other pot metal grenades

Throw downs and collections handed down through the family until it gets in the hands of some mamby pamby Libber who is so afraid of the word *gun* they can not wait to do their part and destroy a chunck of Americana and American History....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 42 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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Why hide the fact that you're packing? I live in a rural, agricultural area, and seeing people with firearms is not a big deal here. It's not even unusual to see a couple of kids walking down the road carrying .22's, or shotguns. They have to unloaded, of course, and generally the only Law Enforcement Officers who might take the time to check them out would be an EnCon Officer. All depends on where you live I guess; the same scenerio may not play out quite as casually in the Bronx, or downtown L.A.

2 years 42 weeks ago, 8:48 PM

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There’s a lot of sides to this but, as far as I’m concerned, open carrying makes you the first target, the bad guy always has the advantage of knowing when stuff going to go down. If they see you with a gun, you’re the first target because you have the capability of stopping them.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 8:50 PM

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O, and welcome.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 8:50 PM

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agree

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
2 years 42 weeks ago, 9:34 PM

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Without a doubt...

There are plenty of half wits out there that would be making gun grabs all the way from joking around to deciding it was time to go postal. Open carry has it's place, in populated areas I do not see where it has any benefit and many possibilities for it turning into a tragic disaster.

Florida was smart enough to keep weapons concealed, but to make it not against the law if a weapon is accidentally displayed. Such as when transferring your weapon from holster to glove box or vise versa. Or the wind blows your shirt up and your weapon is seen in it's holster on your side. Before they could actual fine you and pull your CCW and it would take an act of congress and loads of money to fight to get it back.

Basically it was Officers Discretion and many of the newer ones have a hard on about fire arms as it is.

Unfortunately most of the avid shooters are better trained and have a higher skill level with handguns than most of the Police. They older guys/gals went on the force when it was understood that one of the Hats they wore at work was Gun Fighter. The Newer ones taking up the Job, seem to think that they are going to get away with rolling in the dirt or swinging a baton.

Hell the proof is there each and every time they get on the range and can't hit crap. It is so bad it is not only shocking, but down right scary.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 42 weeks ago, 8:11 AM

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That's how I feel about it. As free citizens, we should be able to carry openly, but in public I never would. And I could see where each town should decide on its own ordinances for this. It shouldn't be a state or federal thing though.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 9:41 PM

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Exactly, my sisters boss called the cops last year for a deer, that had been hit by a car and was suffering. Well the cops got there and didn’t know what to do , he actually asked her boss (who is a hunter) what do I shoot it with? He then answered what do you have lol

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 10:13 PM

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sw45, boggling..

isn't it... *best bugs bunny voice*

Telling ya, not all but a good number of them think it is just a cool job....

If not for the fact that they get to tell some female in a bar "I'm a Cop" I don't think some of them would be....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 42 weeks ago, 10:22 PM

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I wont say all either but I think it’s a power thing for most, you have to do what I say cas I’m a cop. No disrespect to any cops out here, I just think the police force could be run different. Not just handing out seatbelt tickets. I sat on the side of the road for an hour , had a friend on the way with parts I needed to fix my truck but I watched two cops drive by and not even stop to ask if I needed help.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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not sure of all states, but here in cali city cops dont have to stop.the only time city cops ask if you need help is if you look like you might be an arrest,or a ticket waiting for them on the side of the road.lol. highway patrol on the other hand must stop,even if pursuing a speeder they must stop and offer asistance iv heard.dont know how true the second part is but i know chp must stop and help motorists.as far as open carry goes,i think it should be legal everywhere,if you choose to not practice open carry thats your choice.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 10:01 PM

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I know they don’t have to but I look at it as protect and serve. To me that means help people, I do when ever I can help someone on the side of the road. Just to make sure they have a cell to call someone. Hell in the winter I love getting out the big old farm truck and driving around in snowstorms, just to find people stuck and pull them out. Witch by the way is illegal here in Michigan

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2 years 33 weeks ago, 7:57 AM

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i'm a firm believer in having open carry i think a would be thief, thug or whatever might have second thoughts if he walks into a place where 2/3rds of the room is packing seen a comment about the wild west was the crime rates as high then? only problem i could see is law enforcement knowing bad guys from good guys there job is tough enuff

2 years 32 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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I think its ok

2 years 30 weeks ago, 1:47 AM

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Open Carry is a great idea and I think more people should do it. There are too many idiots on the streets that think they are bangers. They need to be reminded that yes, law abiding citizens have guns and we are not afraid to use them if your thug life ass gets reckless. People are more polite when your hip is rocking a shiny 45. Also if the common folks get used to seeing our proud law abiding citizens with weapons, they won't be as afraid and will feel much safer with time.

2 years 29 weeks ago, 5:17 AM

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All states should be open carry,,,,, let the bad guys know what there up againts.

2 years 27 weeks ago, 9:59 PM

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I personally prefer to carry concealed. There have been a few times though that it's simply more convenient to open carry. Fortunately here in Michigan, both are legal. There is even a group called Michigan Open Carry that has picnics where the members openly carry their handguns on their hips, etc. The reason I prefer to carry concealed is because I don't want someone knowing if I have a weapon on me or not. I prefer the element of surprise. I still believe that open carry is our right and that by not exercising that rights, we run the risk of losing those rights. What I'd be interested in finding out is do any of you open carry and concealed carry at the same time?

2 years 27 weeks ago, 12:30 PM

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Point not often made

I prefer conceal for myself to prevent a potential attacker from knowing the playing field. That being said, this makes sense for urban and suburban areas but, as is often the case, the rural areas are not considered in this decision. I've heard arguments about open carry and they are centered around the assumption that the carrier is in a population dense area (city).
But once again, the country folk are not considered. Why the hell would I need to conceal my arms when I am in the country? I would carry it open. If I encountered a stranger, my hand would be on the handgun, ready to draw. Just my thought.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 2:11 PM

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Just to put it out there, the "wild west" is BS for liberals and idiots. You were more likely to be shot in Baltimore in 2008 than in Tombstone, AZ in 1881. There was no "wild west" like people think, thats all movies and hollywood. The averger death(murder) per year was around 2 or 3 per territory, not like the 100's we have in some cities today, and they carried openly back then, and even kids had guns. But the people we smart. People are too stupid to carry openly now days, I love concealed, nobody knows I pack and noone needs to know, but will find out the hard way if they choose to take that route around me and my family.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:41 PM

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tallguy007 wrote:
so do you think this is a good idea or a bad one plus why? A few states have open carry laws and florida is thinking of haveing them now. TY

2 years 19 weeks ago, 2:20 AM

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I can't tell you what's best for you but it has been said above that when you cary exposed you better be ready both physically as well as mentally to protect that sidearm!

As a veteran and LEO I can tell you all the firearm training I have gone through the one reason we have other weapons to use besides a sidearm is to protect that sidearm first and foremost second is to subdue an aggressor and third to make a legal arrest.

The protection of your gun is paramount to saving your life and the lives of others. To have the bad guy take it from you and finish you off only to use it in two or three more murders is not the intentions of any officer or good citizen trying to provide protection rather become an unwilling accomplice to their evil deeds!!!

It is always wiser to have and not show your cards until the end!!!

2 years 19 weeks ago, 12:20 AM

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Using a weapon is not necessarily considered lethal force. There are all sorts of different levels of assault and someone who shoots a guy with sim rounds or some sort of less-lethal weapon would likely be charged with aggravated assault, not necessarily assault with a deadly weapon or whatever the individual state's term for it is.

The open carry thing has been beat to death on this site, but so have most legitimate gun-related topics which helps explain why there are so many off topic threads and the "girls" section. I remember when I first joined the site, there were seemingly endless new topics about guns to discuss (Ah, the good old days).

In a nutshell, my thoughts on open carry. In a group, good. By yourself, not good. The only real good that comes from open carry law is that if you accidentally expose your concealed weapon by sweeping your jacket to the side while reaching for your wallet or reach for an item on a high shelf with your gun hand, the open carry law takes effect and prevents you from getting busted for brandishing a weapon or similar charge.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 4:22 PM

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Weapons carry whether open or covered is everyones right as a law abiding US citizen. I feel the fear is in the populous. I have to pay for concealed carry, and risk breaking the law if its exposed. Open carry is a right and we have to be able or refuse to explain ourselves if approached by LEO's. Its a catch 22 situation IMHO. I can walk around all day minding my business and carrying. With open carry I get the looks like "why is he carrying a firearm"? its my right, but they don't understand and know thier right. Not until they need it in a criminal offense situation. Open carry should not disuade us or anyone else from exercising our right to self defense. I believe that if the situation presented itself that i was to exercise my right and save a life then the outlook on open carry or concealed carry would change. We are not fighting the right to carry but the perception of carrying. Just my 2 cents...

2 years 10 weeks ago, 4:52 PM

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On the money, we have CC here in AZ. Where we retired is rural enough that open carry is pretty common, but still invites the "look".. either good (most always) or the occasional lib who does a 1930 over acted hand to mouth gasp.. ok maybe not that bad, but..

The CC thing is great.. ON a related note.. One of our Cali members mentioned recently that CA is redoing its open carry.. You know of course that they had a barney fife sorta deal, you can carry but no bullets.. sheeesh.. now there stopping that..

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 5:19 PM

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CA is one of the worst places and needed places to carry open or concealed. I love the area but hate all the legal constraints they place on law abiding citizens based on historical criminal offesenses. I hope they do change where you can carry loaded and chambered. the law abiding public must defend itself, inspite of what the LEO's or government thinks they can do to help or assist. Unfortunetley, the LEO's do a good job but are not always there when we need them. To have to take the extra minute to load and charge could mean the life and death of an innocent citizen. i personnally, would like to be proactive and react instinctivly to a threat, not get shot, cut or beaten before my self preservation instinct kicks in... hope they change it for our Cali brothers and sisters.

2 years 10 weeks ago, 12:41 AM

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welcome harley

ca sucks,we can't carry open in any incorporated area even unloaded if you can believe that...but the light in the distance is that if you can't carry openly,then you have to have a permit to carry concealed,and since this new law passed allot of people are starting to wonder exactly what "to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means.heard already of petitions to make california a shall issue state.in my opinion this new law may be beneficial in the long run by giving us a point to break the anti guners against with their own laws.just as a city cannot stop you from possessing a handgun,I'm hoping that we can prove this new law is an infringement upon or right to "bear arms" if we are not given a reasonable legal alternative to open carry.by the way,the way i understand it gov jerry brown signed the bill due in large part to the law enforcement agencies having to respond to calls by fearful citizens,of people carrying openly in public.how you decide you should penalize the guy not breaking any laws,and not the paranoid idiots calling in legal law abiding citizens exorcising their 2nd amendment rights is beyond me.the cops should have been explaining to the callers that a citizen has the right to open carry an unloaded weaponLEGALY,and to please not call again unless they are being threatened or the carrying citizen is in some way other than caring a gun acting in a dangerous or hostile fashion.end of problem.but i guess its not about safety,its about the guns.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
2 years 10 weeks ago, 9:58 AM

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could'nt agree more

you find in more situations than not that the average citizen calling in the LEOs to come find out why you, mr/mrs citizen is carrying a firearm and what you intend to do with it, is more of a waste of time and takes them away from thier real job. We should be able to simply walk down the street, have a cup of joe, or mail a letter at the post office all while carrying and minding our own business. It makes no sense at all to harass innocent folks for acting normal, doing normal things but carrying a weapon. If we all called the LEO every time we saw something suspicious, they would never get anything done. Problem, the way i see it is that there is no trust or integrity anymore, everyone is paying more attention to what everyone is doing rather than what they are doing. Please don't get me wrong, i appreciate my law enforcement and support them. but they are limited and faced with cut backs and draw downs the same as the rest of us. Now this may be a topic for a different time and forum, but imagine if everyone started carry, concealed or open. Wow, chaos... would arise from the government. They would not be able to police or control. they would spend more time checking to see if you were legal than preventing crime. Also imagine if everyone carried how the crime rate would drop, for fear of the armed citizen. They would have to plan their moves harder and longer. Not the impulse offender. The more firearms are promoted the more fearful the criminal becomes, IMO being afraid or fearful of the average citizen. That sounds like a win, win to me...

2 years 7 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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There is nothing wrong with open carry. If the concern is someone using the weapon for criminal activity, remember a criminal will probably get his weapons by illegal means in the first place. He will also have no problem with concealing the weapon illegally, which will be his carry of choice. Open carry is for the rest of us law abiding citizens who can legally own firearms and simply do not want to, or need to conceal a weapon legally.

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2 years 1 day ago, 10:20 PM

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welcome winja

Enjoy the site.

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2 years 15 hours ago, 10:14 AM

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Open Carry

I sincerely hope Florida goes to open carry and sooner rather than later.

1 year 51 weeks ago, 12:59 AM

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open carry

i am in favor of open carry we need to be able to protect ourselves .

1 year 37 weeks ago, 10:27 AM

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Open Carry YES!

Absolutely Yes! to open carry. There would be no question that Florida would be a much safer place. People tend to have much more respect to one another when we all carry. Open carry should be the law of the land. In Michigan I open carried for years. As well as other citizens. You didn't see Rouge Police Officers hassling open carry persons either.
The Cops that hassle persons that open carried for no good or FABRICATED REASON usually was fired after an investigation.
At fist people who don't respect firearms and the Constitution make a bunch of noise. But when that dust settles it is fine. Crime rates are Statistically lower in States that permit open carry. PERIOD! It Works!

1 year 37 weeks ago, 2:15 PM

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crime rate statistics with us, please?

"Laugh so hard, that even 'Sorrow' smiles at you. Live life so well, that even 'Death' loves to see you alive". (author unknown) "....would someone please show this poor asshole the way out of town?"....Avram Belinsky, the "Frisco Kid".
1 year 37 weeks ago, 8:32 AM

MattyTheJet

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Aurora

The Aurora Massacre I think shows that open carry is something that should be allowed, unfortunately I'm pretty sure it's the reason it'll never happen. Again, I am kind of a cynic and pessimist, so hopefully this is just me being gloomy.

1 year 37 weeks ago, 9:36 AM

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We have to be of good cheer since we do have concealed guns on our hips in most jurisdictions. It's not been so long ago that carrying any kind of gun for self protection was against the law in a good many locations across the U.S., goes to show we can win a few skirmishes.
Openly carrying guns is problematic. I like having the advantage of most people not knowing I have a gun under my shirt, inside the waistband, front sight hung up on the elastic of my underware making it tough to draw not to mention the lint stuck to the front sight.

Anyway, I stop at the local Rob & Run C-store for a slurpy, bad ass comes in for his extemporaneous payday. He sees my chrome plated Raven .25 with plastic mother of pearl grips hanging on my hip and decides I am a threat to his payday & his life, he shoots hell outta me then goes on to rob the store grabbing my Raven .25 on his way out the door 'cause it's totally cool.
This scenerio is absolutely probable. If your gun is out of sight you'll have a chance to draw and use it.
Does that sound right to you?

iyaoyas
1 year 37 weeks ago, 11:06 AM

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Possible

But I can see it just as easily going the other way, where the perp sees you carrying, decides the $50 in the register isn't worth it, and moves on to another location, say Stop-N-Rob down the street. So, either way it's a mixed bag. TBH, I'm more worried about our rights vanishing completely than the details of how we can utilize them in the wake of this disaster.

1 year 37 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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Open carry

When I was a kid I lived in a small town in Washington state that used to hold biker rallys like Sturgis every summer. I remember that some of the bikers carried openly and even went into the local taverns that way. Never had a shooting as long as I can remember. As kids we all carried our 22s around, bought ammo at the local hardware store,. When I was 16 I would go bird hunting with my 12 gauge in a scabbard strapped the forks of my Motorcycle. Never any problem. No one in town ever got shot in all the time i lived there. But today I think attitudes have changed and people would freak out at the sight of someone walking down the sidewalk carrying a gun. I think concealed carry is the only smart way to carry nowadays.

1 year 37 weeks ago, 9:56 PM

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open carry

The good old days are gone. The reality is that open carry broadcasts that you have a gun. The bad guy can just wait until your guard is down. With concealed carry, then you have a greater control over the situation. What the bad guy doesn't know works to your favor.

1 year 37 weeks ago, 10:27 PM

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"The good old days are gone."
My father was a deputy sheriff, I knew there were bad guys, Pop busted his share of them but overall it was a nicer world.

if you're dealing with a rational person there is a good chance that him seeing your gun will make him wait a few minutes until you are gone b4 doing bad stuff.

If you're dealing with an irrational person there is no way of knowing what's next in his drugged up or gang violence tainted world. He/she sees your gun, BANG, you're dead with no warning, no chance to draw your weapon.
I'll just keep mine up tight and outta sight. LOL!

iyaoyas
1 year 37 weeks ago, 10:45 PM

LLE

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They will listen CAREFULLY to what Copper and Daisy have opined, above. "Macho" behavior in this kind of case makes the odds against you escalate greatly. The element of your judgment, and control of considered actions, is much more effective when multiplied by the element of surprise.

"Laugh so hard, that even 'Sorrow' smiles at you. Live life so well, that even 'Death' loves to see you alive". (author unknown) "....would someone please show this poor asshole the way out of town?"....Avram Belinsky, the "Frisco Kid".
1 year 30 weeks ago, 5:20 PM

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require open carry

How about require open carry. If wearing a jacket or coat then outside the coat, maybe even require a bright orange vest like hunters wear.

If you are going to let your guard down, then leave your weapon at home. If some bad guy can kick your butt and take your weapon you don't deserve one.

What about the rights of people to know who is armed in their presence?

I'm sure that you're trained and responsible, but what about the other guy, the nut, the criminal?

As a corollary to open carry, anyone , other than law enforcement, carrying a concealed weapon faces mandatory sentencing guidelines.

If a criminal carries an unlicensed weapon and gets caught, they are gone.

1 year 30 weeks ago, 1:57 PM

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Huffington Post?

iyaoyas
1 year 30 weeks ago, 6:52 PM

coppertop

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Gulliver314

So are you against concealed carry? As far as people knowing if I'm carring or not, it's not their business. Does the public have a right to know if I even own a gun? I'll keep as much privacy as I can.

1 year 29 weeks ago, 6:44 PM

MattyTheJet

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Privacy

I'm with you on the privacy tip, coppertop. I do wonder if Gulliver wasn't talking tongue in cheek, though. Either that or he's a troll of some sort. Not sure. Gulliver, sarcasm or not?

1 year 29 weeks ago, 4:34 PM

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New Jersey Sucks

It is almost impossible to even buy a pistol, let alone carry one. We were led to beleive the new governer would help out with that. I can't wait to retire, to get the heck out of this state.

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1 year 29 weeks ago, 6:45 PM

MattyTheJet

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captmax

Well, we're always taking applications for new Floridians if you like to buy and carry a handgun!

1 year 29 weeks ago, 8:31 PM

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Chris Christy wishing he were anywhere else! LOL

No, really, Christy is the right man for the very big job of running that flea circus.

iyaoyas
1 year 29 weeks ago, 11:29 PM

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Open Carry ?

I've been had a CC permit for about a year and a half. It took me a while to get used to the idea but now carry all of the time, even in my home. I live in a suburban east coast area where open carry is not popular, in fact CC is slowly just getting popular. I decided that I don't want people seeing my gun for all of the same reason that have been stated previously. Most of my friends and relatives don't know that I carry. I don't really try to hide it but I don't advertise it. Some would not be comfortable if they knew I was carrying while with them. Most wouldn't care but unless the subject comes up, I am quiet about it. The anti gun lobby has been effective in scaring a lot of people who just get upset seeing a gun. If anyone would ask, I would tell them. I just don't like the idea of being a possible target for assault or just plain draw attention to myself when in public.

As far as open carry, I guess I don't have a valid opinion, I'm not against it but I won't do it.

1 year 29 weeks ago, 2:23 AM

luckybychoice

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thanks scott

same here,i have good friends that never know i'm packing,no need to show off.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
1 year 29 weeks ago, 10:09 AM

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headed post, thanks.
What gun(s) do you have?

iyaoyas

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