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What is the dumbest, stupidest, most impractical, ugliest, most piece of shit waste of steel gun ever made, in yalls opinion..................ok yeah, i'm bored

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 12:57 AM

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bored at work, not with the site that is

We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. Gen. George S. Patton
6 years 21 weeks ago, 1:20 AM

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Biggest piece of shit ever. Best used as a paperweight. Never fully got it to cycle through a whole 6 round mag

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 11:39 AM

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anything made by Raven arms.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 12:24 PM

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More junk

Phoenix, Lorcin, Davis, or Jennings. As for bigger guns, the French Chauchat machine gun forced on some of our troops in WW1 had to be one of the worst pieces of garbage ever pressed into military service. Even though the alternative was a bolt action rifle, many troops would plug the bores of their chauchats and fire them with a string to blow them up so they wouldn't have to take them into battle. Troops giving up a machine gun for a bolt rifle? You know it had to be garbage

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 8:25 PM

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Have to agree with jennings as junk. i have one but I wouldnt give it to my
mortal foe to shoot with. In my opinion Taurus revolvers are POS too

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 8:33 PM

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jennings is jimenez arms now, and yes they still suck the hairs of a lemur's balls

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 1:02 PM

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HI POINTS!

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 1:11 PM

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I would say

M3A1 Grease gun. The barrel on the damn thing would bend if it was dropped after contious firing causing the barrel to heat up. worst peice of shit EVER.

6 years 21 weeks ago, 1:13 PM

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They don't have the frame strength of Ruger, and damn sure not like S&W, so the longevity is the issue with Taurus. They are plenty accurate and the triggers on the ones I have fired were okay. As for Hi-point, you hear stories good and bad which is why I think they're junk. Quality control standards just aren't there. Hi-point is one of those guns that ranges from really good to garbage. I would rather buy a brand that has some consistency. You hear stories about Glocks gone bad, but everyone pretty much agrees that these are the exception, rather than the rule. CONSISTENCY, PEOPLE!! "shut up run". Hah hah, I told myslf to shut up before any of you could.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:03 PM

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BULLCRAP!

dont even say hi points!

I'm just another damn yankee with a loaded gun looking for some fun!
6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:12 PM

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let the flaming begin

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:19 PM

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FLAME ON!!!

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT MUSH BETWEEN YOUR EARS?! Just kidding. Good way to get a rise out of some in the bunker, but I'll be chuckling as I continue to fire round after round through my Glocks with "nary a hiccup".

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:21 PM

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I do have to agree, the Glocks, just work. I have never been a fan of the cheap knock-offs. You only get what you pay for. If Glock is so friggin bad then why is everybody copying them?

6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:22 PM

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try using semiwad cutters...

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:32 PM

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Who the hell uses semi wad cutters anymore? You are a Dinosaur. We have new modern ammos now. Do you still load black powder? LOL

6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:02 PM

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really clintBo

why don't you just use FMJ's at the range?

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:07 PM

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I found that cast lead bullets propelled by a black powder do wonders on the stegasaurus...

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:11 PM

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hey caveman

has your village figured out how to make fire yet?

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:23 PM

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Raper,
in order for me to cast bullets, I need fire. Shheeesh, and I am the geico representative...

clint

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:28 PM

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I realize that...just found it hard to believe that you got your phone booth time machine up and running to get back to the 14th century. Are you the village blacksmith? Watch out for syphilis

and snake... STFU!!!

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:31 PM

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I am the village clintbo!!

it is from the glory of the gods that we are able to have that glowy warm thing that melts stuff!!

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:50 PM

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WTF IS Semi Wad Cutters?

6 years 21 weeks ago, 3:58 PM

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I did use a few SWC in my G22. Not many, and I know you aren't supposed to use lead in Glock barrels, but a guy I went shooting with was using a 1200 dollar race gun and about every third round or so, the gun would fail to go into battery and would push the bullet back into the casing. Obviously his handloads weren't crimped real well, but whatever. Just to see, i loaded a few of the bad rounds into a mag and the glock ate them like they were new. I ended up firing about thirty or so rounds as he wanted me to finish the box. I have long since gotten rid of that gun as I hate the .40 S&W, but it is yet another testament to the wonderful world of Glock.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:38 PM

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runawaygun762,
I purchased a Glock because I have many friends that swear by them, look at all the PD that issue them. I shoot reloads almost exclusively. I have cast my own bullets in the past. I have a 1911 colt 45 circa 1913. It will eat whatever I put in the magazine. My Glock will not. Then I read that you should not use reloads or lead with this "marvel of engeneering and indestructable" pistol. I just don't get it. I have had S&W, Kimber, Taurus, Ruger, HK, Makarov, and maybe a couple of others that did not come with caveats and they all fired everything I fed them. I feel that Glock is a good pistol for some, but I have a problem with the caveats and the functioning of my particuliar pistol. We were asked for opinions on what we thought was: What is the dumbest, stupidest, most impractical, ugliest, most piece of shit waste of steel gun ever made, in yalls opinion. SO I guess that in some wierd and perverse way, I should say 1/2 a glock...

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:42 PM

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almost every gun maunfacturer will recommend that you not shoot reloads through their weapon, because they don't want to take on the liability. your ghostly glock is no exception. buy a hi point for the wad cutters, I hear they're real nice and come with a lifetime warranty!

and snake... STFU!!!!

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:49 PM

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I understand liability

What I do not understand is hype about a certain weapon that is heralded as a messanic pistol. It is supposed to do all these wonderful things, i.e. drop it off a building and it will not fire from the impact, but you can pick it up and it will work flawlessly, unless you use reloads...or lead...flawlessly to me means flawlessly. No caveats. No exceptions.

This is my biggest problem with the Glock branding. I think they are a good weapon, as long as you follow Glocks rules...

clint

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 5:10 PM

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Rules are there for the aforementioned liability. It is also advised against firing +P loads, as the unsupported chamber of the Glock is not designed for this. I use +P Cor-bon as my defensive load and have not had a gun blow up on me yet. Same went for the lead bullets. the Glock is by no means a perfect machine. I put the Glock in the same category as the AK47. You can train a monkey in 15 minutes how to use it (no offesne, clint), it's extremely reliable, not as accurate as some of its competitors, and it doesn't mind some abuse and neglect. I believe it was larry vickers who said "if you plan to treat your pistol like a lawnmower, get a Glock.", or something close. This is very true. Why have I not heard the Glock being compared to the AK before? I'm sure others have, but i've never heard it. That makes me the smartest man alive. Wait, no it doesn't. LLE hasn't died yet. Damn. Anyway, I would suggest against using manufacturer's literature as ammo for an argument. After all, I'm sure Raven arms has advertised their products as an ideal defensive weapon at some point.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 6:00 PM

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stay around for a while. I am much too modest to admit to being the smartest man alive. Maybe just plain smart, is OK.
As to comparing Glocks to AK47s, that may be cute and even somewhat humorously creative. I have shot most competitve semies, and I do not find Glocks "not as accurate". Admittedly, that might just be the operator's lack of ability, so as they say in school, "you may be right".
One thing that really does impress me, as I mentioned on another post, is my friend's informal test--over 32,000 non-hiccup rounds WITHOUT a cleaning.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 4:14 PM

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Hi-Points = Crap

Hi-Points = Crap

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 5:32 PM

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High Points =CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6 years 21 weeks ago, 10:22 PM

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I agree

The Glocks are tough under fire. I also agree that they require a different approach to shoot than other pistols. I have trouble keeping one on target due to the twisting that occurs while in my hand. I know that this can be attributed to a lack of experience with this weapon and can be overcome with practice. That is just me. I can't hit the broad side of a barn with a Glock and with my big hands, the Glocks tend to bite me each time the slide cycles. That is the only reason that I don't have one. I got tired of buying Band Aid's for the back of my thumb. They feel great in my hand, until I fire them. I respect them, but I will stick with my PT-92 or some day soon, the XD40.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 7:36 AM

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Kel-Tec

I have had more issues with my Kel-Tec then any other gun I have had, but it is my daily carry, so I guess I should'nt say anything.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 7:59 AM

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Glocks are accurate

When I talk about Glocks not being as accurate, I am comparing them to other production guns. Sigs, for instance, are much more accurate on the whole than Glocks. Most decent 1911s also exhibit better accuracy. The Glock is plenty accurate, just not compared to some other brands. I am a die hard Glock lover and will never change, but I also believe in honestly assessing and comparing. The factory sights on the Glock are garbage and should be replaced as soon as the gun is purchased and the slide does bite a bit if you have big hands or use a high grip.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 10:11 AM

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runawaygun762,
We will have to agree to disagree on the Glock controversy. There is no way you will change my mind about my experiences with the pistol. There is also NO way I will be able to change your mind on your experiences with your Glocks. I would never own an AK either. But that is a personal preference. I own a Glock, in fact it is what I carry on a daily basis. I have succumbed to the exceptions placed on the pistol and it works good. I trust it with the ammo that I have in it. That is what it all comes down to: Do you trust your weapon. I know this thread has been somewhat hijacked debating the merits of a manufacturer (sorry scudrunnernrh). Like you said: "...I also believe in honestly assessing and comparing." A majority of people want to beleive something so much that they push away facts in favor of feelings. samD will get a kick out of this: I use Crown Royal bags to hold my ammo. I usually have matched reloads in each bag, but for some reason I had a hodge podge of bullets stored in this bag. I was having fun and shooting decently, as pistols are not tack drivers (or at least in my hands they are not!). As soon as that semi wad cutter showed up in the magazine, stove pipe syndrome. THis concerned me a lot. It was counter productive to everything I had heard about the Glock. I thought, ok, bad round, it had to be me, not the weapon. I reloaded the magazine with new ammo and placed a different semi wad cutter in the magazine randomly. Same result. It is actually how I found this great website (so in effect, the glock brought me much knowlegde!!). In comparring MY Glock to the rest of My pistols based soley on feeding all types of ammo, the Glock failed miserably. With ball ammo, I am pleased with MY ghost Glock.

Thanks for the interesting debate

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p.s. AK's suck
now I have the other half hating me!!! ;)
I'm starting to feel like sytasyn, glad you are back buddy!!

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 10:31 AM

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AKs do suck

The AR vs AK debate is a tired, old, useless debate. the AR-series of rifles is as reliable a gun as nearly any of here will need. I don't plan to pour sand into my gun and shoot someone, so that's pretty much a moot point. I have 39 months in Iraq, 6 in Kuwait, and two in Egypt, and my M4 has failed me once, during a sandstorm while we were qualifying. That sandstorm was bad enough that even the vaunted AK would have failed. other than that fiasco, my M4 has performed superbly, yet two AKs I have fired had the trigger group pins walk out under automatic fire. Reliable? Me thinks not. You have an ally in the AK sucks camp.

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6 years 21 weeks ago, 12:42 PM

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it all depends on which one you buy, Russian, hugarian, bulgarian, chinese, polish, Galil, Valmet, and even prebanned Yugo's aks are some of the best. I own many listed and have never had a problem with any of them.
Having said, AR's are just a reliable and I own many of them,Colt, bushmaster, Olympic, Armalite, DSA, Rock River Arms,Stag Arms, to name a few. Yeah I love my AR's and AK's there some of the best rifles out there for what there built for. I've seen many Romanian ak's in iraq and I wouldn't give you a dine for one, junk in my opinion. But ak's hold up in the worst condition, yet now the new M16's do as well. I guess it all boils down to what you like.

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i would have to say the chineese made ak47 pice of shit shot one one time at a shooting range in springfield mass sucks the barrel flexes u can feel the gun bend on the hand guards i think it should be scraped

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i would have to say the chineese made ak47 pice of shit shot one one time at a shooting range in springfield mass sucks the barrel flexes u can feel the gun bend on the hand guards i think it should be scraped

Yeah lets see in the 80's you could buy a legend for 350 now, there running 2000 to 2800. yeah those pieces of junk and Norinco stamped were 250 now selling 1300 to 1800. I have fired 12000 rounds from just one of my norinco's and still going not one problem. As a matter of fact none of my aks have ever failed nor have any of my friends, and you could tell or feel the barrel flex.......WOW man you need to be a pro weapons tester because you are the first person I have ever known to be able to feel flexing in you hands.........or maybe the hand guards were loose.

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an AK barrel flex is via slow motion photography, but they do flex fairly heavily and it does effect accuracy, but I do loves my AK's even my piece of shit WASR......Glocks? IDK don't own one but this has been an interesting debate, thanks for reserecting it Reaper.

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oldie but goodie

think we have A.D.D?

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(deep breath) All barrels flex when fired. That's why I said a long time ago, "a shorter barrell is more accurat than a long one". That led to sight radius and such. The fact is a heavy barrell is for cutting down on movement. And they are getting fatter and shorter all the time. When I posted "Tuning a rifle" that is pretty much what I was referring to. It comes down to harmonics and developing a certain velocity and bullet weight that matches the gun. You can try to find a gun that matches your factory ammo of choice, or you can spend a lot of money trying to make your rifle match you factory ammo of choice. I prefer to make my ammo match my rifle of choice. I get to shoot, I get to reload and I get to learn.

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1. The only legitimate complaint I've heard regarding the M3A1 was that some early suppressors fielded on the weapon did not work well and were not rugged enough for continued battlefield use...the same type/brand of suppressor did not work well on the Reising either. My old man had one (M3) in Korea for a while and liked it.

2. As for 'messianic pistols', the 1911 doesn't qualify any more than the Glock. I owned 8 of them and shot gobs more, been to the Colt armorer's course, etc. The 1911 is a finicky, near-antiquated platform that requires by it's original design costly hand fitting to work properly and 'tuning' to work exceptionally. Modern iterations substituting cast/MIM parts and even slight modifications (like the Colt Series 80 safety,FLGRs,) do not improve it's track record. Sure, some very knowledgable and talented people use them, but that means they are *wanted*, rather than needed. Several other modern designs surpass the 1911 platform in terms of ammunition capacity, simplicity, plus they cost less, weigh less, and last just as long apples-to-apples. I enjoy shooting 1911s because they fit my hand well. Haven't ya heard the half-joke that if the 1911 were perfect Browning would've never conceived the Hi-Power? (yes I know Saive had more to do with it than JMB....I've broken a Hi-Power too). Guns are designed and/or made by people, and people ain't perfect. Ergo, no perfect gun. Even Colt puts out ill-conceived junk, ie the Colt 2000 All-American.

3. My disdain for the Hi-Point is already well-documented here.

4. Worst POS ever?.....hmmmm in my personal experience it would be the Lorcin/Raven/Jennings products already listed. I've seen several that were simply unsafe due to shoddy manufacture. I also have a huge dislike for the S&W Sigmas ("Smegma") I've fired, mainly due to a rotten trigger and lousy magazines.

4 years 31 weeks ago, 7:20 PM

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I don't see a lot to argue with in your comment.
I love the 1911, have owned many, built many. A LOT has to be done to the original design in order for it to consistently fire anything but FMJ. The internal extractor constantly needs adjusting or replacing. A huge industry has grown up to tune them, and produce 1911's that are reliable. They also fit my hand great, better than any other semi-auto, but I would rely on a Glock over the 1911 every time.
I agree completely with points 3 & 4.

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