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6 years 13 weeks ago, 7:41 PM

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Is a 223 bolt action rifle a good gun to use for deer hunting? I don't want some junk gun that will fall apart after a few trips to shoot yet I don't want to spend an unnecessary amount of money on one either. I'm interested in the Browning A-Bolt 2 Stalker 223 WSSM and have a scope added on to it.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 7:56 PM

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im not sure its even legal to hunt deer with a .223. I think in Kansas they made us use atleast a .308 or larger. Many people argue that it sometimes takes more than one round to drop a human with a .223, so imagine a deer.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:55 PM

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larger as in the round

larger as in the round "bullet" size correct?

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 10:11 PM

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yes, and cartridge. everyone that i grew up huting with used rounds like .308, 7mm, 30-06, even .300wm. but freedom says a .223 will drop a deer, i've never tried it or seen it. i would just stress shot placement like he said. the last thing you want to do is wound it and let it get away or have to track it down over a long distance.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 10:24 PM

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so a 223 may not be a strong enough gun other then "perfect shots"? is a 308 a decent priced gun (less then a 1,000)?

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:17 PM

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I have personally killed 4 deer with my .223. I use Sierra 55gr. Game Kings. All i have to say is shot placement. I have only had to take one shot each on them with this bullet. A soft point or especially a FMJ (which is usually illegal to hunt with) will typically go through. I have seen a lot of whitetail killed with a 22 long rifle and good shot location too. IMHO bigger isn't always better. That only counts when it comes to close up self defense.

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6 years 12 weeks ago, 6:13 AM

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22 long

I went hunting with a buddy last year and both he and I dropped a deer using a 22 long rifle. All about shot placement.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:27 PM

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223 for deer

here in WA state they are illegal but it was all i had one year(a ruger mimi14)i made a neck shot and put down the deer but was sketchy about it if you are looking at the wssm or wsm cartridges consider that if you choose to go to podunk america to hunt and leave your ammo at home you may not be able to get any in a small town.since you have chosen a nice rifle go .270 winchester,30-06,or .308 winchester you can always get ammo for them and they all do a dandy job of putting meat on the table.give it 10 years and see if you can still buy wsm and wssm ammo!good luck with that unless you handload!(dont buy into the latest greatest fads stick with tried and true calibers)if it is 40 years old or more means it will be around awhile longer (30-06 is 100 years old,the .270 win. came out in 1925,so there you have it!)

6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:34 PM

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i did look at some Remington 308 Winchester Semi-Automatics online and may possibly go that direction for a rifle. Ill be using the rifle for deer hunting and at the range in West Virginia.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:38 PM

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rem .308

you cant go wrong with the 308 due to the popularity of this caliber.many types of factory ammo are available here,there,and evrywhere plus the useability factor is nice(what if you decide to go on an elk hunt?)in my mind 2 things apply to hunting guns:tried and true and keep it simple stupid.choose calibers and guns by these two rules and trust me,you will never go wrong or under gunned

6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:40 PM

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gun considerations

what kinda things are you looking for in a hunting gun?price?make?action? lay it on me! i hunt alot and for many years so have at er'

6 years 13 weeks ago, 11:46 PM

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another factor is what kinda terrain will you be hunting?and weather?

6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:06 AM

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Id probably go with S&W or Remington as for the brand, price wise I don't want to go over $800 unless I don't have much of a choice, I've used a bolt action before so I'd be comfortable with using one. I think I'd mostly be hunting in woods area and at the range, and I think the season in West Virginia is from Oct.-Dec. so it will a bit cool out but not snowing.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 2:59 PM

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Savage

look into Savage rifles excellent buy for the price.reasonably accurate and available in many calibers.if you are near a walmart that carries guns they stock savages go take a look

6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:08 PM

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I would go with a remington 700 in .308, but its gonna run a little more than the savage though. You can pick up a used one that still a good shooter for quite a bit less than a new one. greasy's right though, if you're on a budget, the savage will work.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:10 PM

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In Minnesota, and many other states there is a minimum caliber required for deer hunting. Most require at least .25 caliber and a certain case length. Depending on where you hunt (how big your deer get)
there are many good choices for cartridges. I agree that 30.06 and .308 are excellent choices in all around versatility. But you should not ignore the other fine choices that can be had. .243, 270. 30.30 are all very good choices. I happen to prefer 25.06 and have never been without "enough gun". Minnesota also has a very stupid rule about shotguns only in some areas. I don't particularly care for using shotgun slugs for deer, but it is the rule. The alternative to shotgun slugs here is pistols. I have found deer hunting with a .44mag to be very enjoyable. But your question is about the rifle. I think as was noted above, The Savage rifles are a good deal for the buck. You certainly cant go wrong with a Ruger or Remington. Winchester was the Riflemans rifle, but we all know how that situation has become. They are making them again and the say they are still very good but I have not fired on of the new ones yet. In some areas they feel the need for what is referred to a a brush gun, and the Winchester lever actions are the one most refer to. Marlin also makes a very good lever action and we all can agree that more deer have probably been taken with a 30.30 than any other caliber. Speaking of Marlin, I have heard some very good reports an there new bolt action rifle...Probably worth a look.

6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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Very good info. I remember my uncle used .223 back in the late '50s.
I always used the 30-30 because Calif deer were so small...
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6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:23 PM

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thanks everyone. there is walmarts in WV that sell rifles. ill check out the savage sites and whatnot as well

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:51 PM

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i found a nice 10FCM Scout Rifle 308 Win on savage arms.com for a pretty good price. http://www.savagearms.com/10fcmscout.htm

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 7:15 PM

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buy the savage!

you cant go wrong! especially for the prices of these accurate hunter friendly guns!i have model 111 in 270 win that i bought at wally world 3 years ago for 350 out the door it even had a simmons scope on it!(cheap model)but it worked great!

6 years 13 weeks ago, 7:35 PM

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In case you haven't looked, try gunbrokers.com.
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6 years 13 weeks ago, 8:17 AM

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I'll give them a browse and see what they have.

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 4:48 PM

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.223 Deer Gun

Here in Oregon the .223 Center Fire is legal for Deer. However i've shot
deer with them with hunting type bullets from thirty yards ,chest shot,the deer took off and ran about quarter mile. Not encouraging use on deer!

6 years 12 weeks ago, 12:24 PM

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I deer hunt with my 223 ar 15. I recently reloaded some speers 70 grain loads. They worked great but make sure you have a fast barrel. Mines a 1-8 twist 20". Oh and just a side note. You can drop a human target with 1 round. Ask a marine...they train as marksman to hit delta targets up to 500 meters with open sight m-16's. Shot placement is key.

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6 years 12 weeks ago, 12:36 PM

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.243

is a better choice.

6 years 12 weeks ago, 1:05 PM

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it's just a little...

its not that much bigger, most states won't let you hunt deer with less than a .243, It's all about the challenge for me. I just placed an order for a different tube. Will post findings when I get some data on it.

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6 years 12 weeks ago, 6:06 PM

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The original questions were; is a .223 a good deer cartridge? - Answer - it depends. A decent bolt action rifle for this caliber? There are many, stay with a name brand as mentioned above and you cant go wrong. A resonably priced rifle and you mentioned a Browning A-Bolt. Well, a Browning A-Bolt is in the higher priced bolt action rifles out there, not saying it isn't a nice rifle. .223 WSSM isn't exactly a .223 except in caliber, and no more than a .223 magnum. Just different....

In other words, you have asked a variety of questions and many different answers depending on what issue needs to be addressed. So not easily answered. Hopefully everyones input wasn't too confuzing.

6 years 12 weeks ago, 6:33 PM

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I asked about the Browning A-Bolt 1st because thats a gun that I found that was on the cheaper side. I may either go with either a Remington 308 Winchester Semi-Automatic or 308 Win 10FCM Scout Rifle and both are under $800.00 before shipping and the fee to send the gun to a store/dealer

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6 years 12 weeks ago, 5:35 AM

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I agree

I agree with your selecting something in .308. Very versatile, many bullet and load options so you can tailor to your hunting/shooting needs. Great availablity, you can buy it almost anywhere. Semi-auto is nice if you need follow-up shots, but bolt actions tend to have better accuracy. I think you are looking in the right direction, good luck.

6 years 12 weeks ago, 8:39 PM

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I hope I'm going the right direction in choices. I do plan on taking the gun to the range before actually going hunting for my 1st time so I can "trim down" how much I might sway or move when using the gun. I'd hate to go out hunting and waste time,money,ammo,energy if I'm gonna sway too much and miss all the time.

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6 years 12 weeks ago, 6:16 AM

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my hunting gun

is a Weatherby Vanguard in 30-06 and works great for hunting deer!

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