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5 years 35 weeks ago, 10:59 AM

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Got to tell you as someone who used to do this sorta thing for a living..The whole pat down thing is a STUPID waste of time.. Ask anybody who's worked in prison if you can beat a pat down..

It's so bad that at our training academies we had to make it easy to find stuff .. Think of the issues here, you don't want staff to feel thier guaranteed to fail, or the job wont get done at all..

But telling you in training we had to make it so obvious that you could almost see it before staff would find it during a pat down..

ANY pro will tell you this.. If you want to bring an item on it can either be swallowed and passed, keistered (Ebear likes to practise this one) or just placed behind the scrotum in the "taint" section of the human anatomy..

Fist off NO pat down will ever touch this area.. Just wont happen.. Second if you do and its molded right and covered you wont detect it.. With the size of explosives today anyone can bring in enough to do the job and never be detected..

Plus why would you do it anyway when everything going into the hold is not checked.. TSA is a huge bureaucratic waste.. I lost some of my troops to them, and with out exception those that i lost both supervisors and line staff were at the bottom of the efficiency dept..

In my heart of heart i know that NO pat down will EVER stop anyone who wants to bring something on board an aircraft.. I was pleased to see Charles Krauthammer's assessment of this as being a complete waste as well..

We either use the scanners or we face facts that were just wasting everyone's time..

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5 years 35 weeks ago, 1:38 AM

ScramasaxDurango

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Suggestion

So how would you suggest we search a suspicious person when they're going into an evacuee shelter? We wouldn't have scanners available (maybe not even electricity), and strip searches take too much time, since we're under-manned already.

Is there a better way? Or is this just as good as it gets?

5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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Trained dogs....

Pretty simple....

You can train them to smell out anything. Including Cancer inside the body or Bodies 30 feet under water, you can train them to smell out knifes but the Oils and Grease used on them, Guns are a breeze, Explosives even more so....

Have them walk through a portable pen with electromagnetic doors which open by remote. Someone enters the dogs alert you give them one chance to produce the junk and step into a separate contained area so they can be dealt with or you hit the button and the Dogs get a snack.

if you didn't want to scare or scar the kiddies, gas them and knock em out, retrieve the gas and recycle it back into the system for the next goof ball....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
5 years 35 weeks ago, 1:53 AM

CharlesW

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I'm 40 miles from Waco in the wilderness

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5 years 35 weeks ago, 2:29 AM

ScramasaxDurango

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Texas

You're pretty close to me. I'm originally from Oklahoma (when I was a kid) and my permanent home is in Central Texas, but I go to college in Northwest Texas. I'm a little hesitant to post up the specific cities on here because of unregistered users. I don't figure I'm going to have a problem with any regulars on here, but I don't know about the no-name guests and anonymous posters.

Like I said in the other post, "if you're paranoid long enough, you're going to be right eventually"

5 years 35 weeks ago, 6:20 PM

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What evacuee shelter?

Are you talking about a community storm shelter or something like that?

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 35 weeks ago, 1:07 AM

ScramasaxDurango

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Runaway

Think Katrina-- hurricane evacuee shelters, temporary concentration points for a lot of really scuzzy-looking folks. We've got to protect ourselves and them.

5 years 35 weeks ago, 1:17 AM

runawaygun762

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If you are concerned with people bringing contraband or suicide bombers, then a quick same-gender strip search takes almost no time. If you are working in a government-provided shelter, then it looks like PC takes over and you better just trust your luck. If it's a privately-owned affair, then talk to the owners about your security concerns.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
5 years 35 weeks ago, 1:40 AM

ScramasaxDurango

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Weeeee-ell

I'm actually one of the ones that's supposed to be making sure we don't get Katrina'ed here in Texas.

Texas State Guard, but I'm just a recruit right now, so that doesn't count for anything. I'm just the kinda guy that wants to know how to do my job the best way possible. If there's something I could be doing better, I want to know so I can correct it. Not to mention that I don't want one of my buddies to get stabbed... or me, for that matter.

5 years 35 weeks ago, 4:02 PM

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I was listening to Rush on monday, 22 November 2010. He figured out what TSA means:

Tough
Shit
America

I thought it was clever...

clint

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin & Hobbes)
5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:21 PM

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a pat down...

Will find a gun, that's about it. The TSA is nlothing more then a waste of the tax dollar and a false sense of security.

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