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pisses me off

Biker scares away robbers with gun, legal question remains
By Marci Laehr Tenuta
mtenuta@journaltimes.com
Tuesday, May 5, 2009 9:08 PM CDT

RACINE — Four teens knocked a 42-year-old Racine man from his bike Friday night. He thought they were going to rob him.

The man pulled a Smith and Wesson revolver from his side holster, pointed it at the sky and yelled, “Gun!”

The four suspects ran, and the man flagged down a Racine police officer.

The incident will perhaps mark the first time a new opinion allowing open carry of firearms is put to the test here, as it conflicts with another state statute that makes it illegal to possess a gun within 1,000 feet of a school, if not on private property.

The Racine man involved, who asked not to be named and declined to comment on the alleged robbery attempt when contacted by The Journal Times, was assaulted in the 1100 block of Grand Avenue, which is within 1,000 feet of Walden School, 1012 Center St.

Police did not arrest the man. After he was treated for head and wrist injuries at the scene by Racine rescue, officers escorted the man home and returned his gun to him.

But that doesn’t mean charges won’t be filed against the man, and police are questioning how such situations should be handled in the future.

“It’s difficult with the way the laws are written to carry (a gun) and not get into trouble,” said police spokesman Lt. Jim Dobbs.

He said the new open carry ruling will probably prompt more and more people to wear firearms, but in many places in the city, even stepping off their front porch would mean they are breaking the law.

“People will break the law inadvertently,” Dobbs said. “We want clarification from the state on what we should be doing.”

Last month, Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen sent out a memo saying openly wearing a holstered gun is not illegal. While Wisconsin law states a person cannot legally carry a concealed weapon, it does not address carrying a firearm in plain sight.

The opinion has created many questions, now including the apparent conflict between the existing statute over possessing a firearm near a school.

Racine County District Attorney Mike Nieskes said Tuesday that he has been briefed on the incident and has talked to the state Attorney General’s Office about it. “We don’t have all the information,” he said. “It’s still under investigation.”

Bill Cosh, spokesman for the state Department of Justice, said the Attorney General's Office wouldn't comment on specific cases or fact-pattern scenarios.

According to the police report, just after 10:30 p.m. an officer on patrol saw a bike lying in the roadway in the 1100 block of Grand Avenue. He then saw the victim walk out from between two houses holding a revolver. The man flagged the officer down as he set the gun on the concrete.

The man told the officer that he had just been assaulted. He said he was openly carrying his black and silver revolver in a side holster while riding his bike west on 12th Street toward Grand Avenue. He saw a group of teens on the corner of 12th and Grand and said, “Bike coming through,” to warn the group.

As the man turned onto Grand Avenue, he turned around to look at the group and was hit in the back of the head, the police report said. The man was knocked from his bike and hit in the head again.

The man told police he drew his revolver, pointed it to the sky and yelled out, “Gun!”

The four suspects ran west on 12th Street and the man went to hide between the two houses. He told police he intended to contact authorities, but then saw the squad car pulling up.

According to the report, the man believed the teens were trying to rob him. He could not give police a description other than the suspects were four black, male teens

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 9:49 PM

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thats messed up

i mean where do you find four black teens together in wisconsin??? high school track team mabey.....just kidding.racine is a pretty big city is'nt it?i means thats the very reason the second ammendmant is there, so we can protect ourselves???

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 9:52 PM

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i would contact NRA and ask them how their dealing with wis house and senate and if u have time help if u can.

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 9:56 PM

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Racine is about 85000 people in the city and 200000 county wide. Our former Mayor is facing charges of child enticement and those sorts of charges for trying to get meet a minor from the internet (sting operation) and many of our factories have left for places like Mexico...but we are worried about good law abiding citizens defending ourselves because the legal system sucks!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:42 PM

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...interesting mayor

child enticement huh, but not a damn thought about any citizen defending themselves.
Where do they get off?

Gun Control= the theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:44 PM

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apparently with minors!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:00 PM

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how far would u go to get ammo. we hav it in minneapolis but it is sold at 5 boxes per person at 21.95 a box. FYI youre about a 9 or 10 hr drive from me

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 9:58 PM

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otherwise

everything is allright?

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:03 PM

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ebear

I am sure I could find more to bitch about...but you are the only one who would listen to me and be real man...nobody takes the Mexican seriously

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:06 PM

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lol

i mean i thought i had it bad with Blagoyavich, but a pedifile mayor!!!! you win hands down!!!lmfao!!!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:08 PM

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fuck man

I read the transripts of what he wrote to this "teen chic" he is a sick fuck

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:01 PM

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Holy shit your ammo is priced high. I am going to see what I can get from the gun show, an 6 hr drive is a little much.

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:03 PM

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its a shame

is'nt it???i get back into guns about a year ago and this shit happens...whats nex tno more Pin~atas with the vibrating poop shoot???

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:08 PM

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stop feeding

the gerbels mexican jumping beans and putting them in the Pin~atas! LMFAO

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:11 PM

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they scream

likea nun with a vibrater

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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now

that would be funny to see the nun's LMAO!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:16 PM

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i'll bring

a camera next time

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:36 PM

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pretty please oh pertty please LOL

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:39 PM

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lol

i may go to hell....but ok

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:40 PM

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may?

I dont think there is a question about it!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:43 PM

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lol

i think im banned there too

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:46 PM

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I guess your fucked if they cant send you to hell theyll send you to MEXICO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:48 PM

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lmao

thats a good juan!!!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:51 PM

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lol ebear

I am going to go J/O to some playboy from 1972 and then eat a brick of cheese I hope you have a good night and good luck finding a reloader

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:52 PM

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ok bro

keep in touch....namely your tongue touchin my taint

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:53 PM

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G/N ALL

EBEAR keep your finger out of your ASS!!!!!!!!!!!

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:05 PM

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their 50 rd box. but fedral is in my home town and ther working all three shifts. same ammo on inter net that i found close to this is 39.95 per box of 50 rds

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:08 PM

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if that was in tn, and i was the biker, they woulda been shot, and the last time i checked, 4 black teens and 15 rounds of +p+ 9mm ammo dont go well together.

I'm just another damn yankee with a loaded gun looking for some fun!
5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:10 PM

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"If", you "have to", pull your gun on someone face to face, I believe you better shoot'em. Or, catch that rail. Or, mitigate the situation before it gets to that point. I think that guy in Racine WI., should have been carrying a bag of my indefatigable hammers. That may have left an impression on them.

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:14 PM

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i think he did

the right thing...he warned them, now if they came back at him , he now can go Dirty Harry on them and sleep like a baby that night.

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:39 PM

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hey all

sleep monster is getting me with the 10,000 lbs arms good night.

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:41 PM

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g/n mark

g/n sleep tight dont let ebear bite

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 10:42 PM

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ok mark

fuck off....lol

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5 years 32 weeks ago, 9:54 AM

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Warning

I don't for a moment believe that situation went down as reported in the paper. Those four teenagers would have been saying "show me", or given time one of them might have pulled out their own GAT. My point here is the same as my 1st post. The other thing to ask is, what was this guy doing there ? Does it matter? Yeh, if you are looking for confrontation, it's on the next street over !

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