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3 years 2 weeks ago, 8:07 AM

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The fire and smoke are clearing somewhat, and I hear NO discussion of the "facts" I will describe below. Perhaps the media are somewhat embarrassed.

The local law enforcement and judicial authorities in Sanford, FL. concluded a thorough investigation, and found "no probable cause" to believe a crime had been committed.

The State's Executive and Judicial Branches consulted jointly and concluded that the local authorities were in error, and Zimmerman should be charged with the crime of 2nd Degree murder. They unilaterally ordered that charge to be entered against Zimmerman. In doing so, they denied Zimmerman of his US constitutional right[ 5th Amendment] to a mandatory review of a Grand Jury, BEFORE being charged.

QUESTION: By what right or precedent under law, did the State of Florida preempt Zimmerman's US constitutional right to a Grand Jury review?

I believe the State of Florida committed an offense against the PEOPLE of the USA, in having committed this [alleged] violation.
I further believe, the State of Florida is vulnerable to litigation in Federal Court, by Zimmerman, and by the US Justice Department, for violation of the US Constitution

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 11:39 AM

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I hope he does go after them, I still believe the Fed's are going to go after him in a civil case. Remember how none of the major news outlets reported that the justice department sent people down to Florida on our dime o organize protests before he was charged. And People want us to give up our 2nd amendment rights, I will, when pigs fly.

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 6:43 PM

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Florida law allows it.

http://theweek.com/article/index/226580/no-grand-jury-for-george-zimmerm...

The grand jury is only required in first degree murder cases. By a strict interpretation of the constitution, you may be right. However, what are the odds that any court will hear this type of case much less rule on it.

3 years 2 weeks ago, 8:19 PM

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 3:19 AM

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MO. She went before the appropriate FL judge, and allegedly falsified the (factual) argument, to obtain a judgment for charging Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder. If there IS an on-going federal investigation, IMO, it will uncover this action on the part of the State's Attorney, and her alleged failure to disclose critical items of evidence in the discovery process, also. This is especially egregious, since it is alleged that some of the items withheld were exculpatory for Zimmerman.

The media seem very pleased to report that the federal investigation may involve possible violation of Martin's civil rights. IMO, if anyone's civil rights were violated, it would be those of Zimmerman. [Life, Liberty and proper Due Process].

If the allegations concerning the States' Attorney are confirmed, I would expect the US Justice Dept. to file actions, and I would expect further pressure to test the FL regs vis a vis the 5A right to Grand Jury review. THIS is not a States Rights issue. Where have you seen a case that had a State statute trumping the Constitution of the USA??

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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I agree and if I had it my way, Ms. Corey should be fired and be disbarred. You will get a federal investigation, but it won't be against her or the state of Florida. Mr. Zimmerman will be the focus of that probe. He will be lucky if he is not brought up on federal charges. We both know that this case has nothing to do with facts or the law, but of emotion and not letting a good crisis go to waste. The left is using this case as rally call against concealed carry and stand your ground. I think that real power on the left doesn't see this as a loss. They are hoping that this will fire up the anti gun movement by feeding off of the false claims of racism. The anti gun crowd has always had an intensity gap that the angry black can solve for them. So I'm sorry but your 5th amendment argument is fighting the wrong battle at the wrong time. Stand your ground should be the law in every state. My concealed carry should be honored in every state as per the full faith and credit clause. Restrictions on where we can and can't carry our guns needs to be abolished. Our 2nd amendment rights should trump gun free zones and discrimination by business owners. If the government can force a business owner to serve minorities and other faiths, then why is the 2nd amendment not treated just as important? There was a time that most people laughed at the gays when they talked about discrimination but who is laughing now.

3 years 2 weeks ago, 3:26 AM

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If the focus of the investigation is allegedly potential civil rights violations, the focus will be very broad.
I am not claiming any great expertise in the field, except for about 16 years as my company's spokesperson in challenging the EEOC and OFCCP on alleged discrimination charges and alleged violations of affirmative action regulations for federal government contractors.

A properly constituted court of law found that Zimmerman was not guilty of improperly killing Martin. [The State did not meet its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt] Thus, the emotional argument that he [still] took a life would have to be tested in order to find that he deprived Martin of "Life".[ the self defense, defense was accepted]. What else-- Liberty? Pursuit of Happiness? That boggles logic, but I do not deny it could be argued. IMO the US Dept of Justice [DOJ] will not prosecute Zimmerman for violating Martin's Civil Rights. Remember, the FBI investigation yielded NO evidence of a racial component in the case. [the FBI is a creature of the DOJ].

I agree that the case yields an excellent opportunity for the left to rabble rouse on, and follow their Leader's mentor's rule to never let a good crisis go unexploited. We will have more attacks on the 2A, and against SYG laws.

With respect to your opinion on the 5A argument, I must reject that. I believe the 5A must be considered as inviolable as the 2A----RIGHT NOW. I do not want any DA or State's Attorney to be enabled to go before a judge, unilaterally, and get a "probable cause", because she said so. Therefore, I see a potential strike-down of all such State statutes as essential.

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 12:45 AM

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Unless you want to kill a baby or have gay sex, the obama administration doesnt care about the old dated document. You have a supreme court and a executive are of the government which feels the constitution is a mere suggestion wide open to interpretation. I took constitutional law in undergrad and cant figure out many of these decisions. How can a static document be called theoretical by a president who had been a "constitutional professor". We are so fucked.

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3 years 2 weeks ago, 7:39 AM

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Not only does he not care about the constitution, he does not like it. That is a main part of the progressive movement, they look it as an obstacle. It did not surprise me, that a certain portion of our country would blindly vote for him, simply because he is black. The thing that amazed me, was how people with brains voted for and then voted for him again. Never once taking the time to learn what the progressive movement was, or chose to ignore the first four years.

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