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4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:25 PM

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Salient Arms Glock

I was in a discussion the other day with a guy about Salient Arms. I like the idea of the cut outs they use in their Glock upgrade packages. He was not so sure. Those cut outs could be a way for debris to get between the slide and barrel and cause malfunctions.

What do you think?

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:47 PM

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I couldn't read

your whole post Clint as it ran into the Brownells ad. What is the purpose of the cut outs?

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:49 PM

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cut outs

I think they are for weight reduction, but I would have to check on that. You see a lot of the race guns with that characteristic.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 2:58 PM

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means you have to have less mass on the slide for it to function correctly and stay in time. (stove pipes, jams, double feeds)

It's one of the ways they take a 45 acp thru 9 mm and make it shoot like a BB gun. Know a couple who shoot 38 Supers who go one about how stout the round is, but they load them down, have the slide punched out all over the place and have a compensated barrel or a compensator on the end of the slide so a 22 lr kicks more.

Thats all well and fine for the *game* but real world it could get you dead pretty quick.

Can you see being in a night gun fight, and every time you press the trigger you light up your whole body and all the guys on your team stacked up with you?

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 3:12 PM

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Makes sense ISD,

I hadn't thought of the lighter loads aspect and the need for a lighter slide. Not being a competition shooter myself, I assume they do this for accuracy as lighter loads and less recoil makes for improved re acquisition of target and therefor better accuracy.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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You can get off faster shots with the gun not moving.

This is one of the reasons behind the arguments revolving around Comp shooting being applicable to real world gun fighting. Elements of it really are and your shooting and moving under pressure of the clock. All the things you do to speed up your mechanics to increase your functional speed and low your times would help.

But, it doesn't apply in many respects at the same time.

There isn't an RO with a timer behind you making sure you follow the safety rules.
You probably wouldn't get a do over if you screwed up in a gun fight.
People are not going to line themselves up at set distances and stand still while you shoot them.

And more, both for and against them being applicable to each other.

It's like taking formal training or not and doing it on your own. I seen training as nothing more than paying someone who has already tried allot, found out what works for them or others and keeps you from having to discover and try it out all on your own.

Then again, you could go to every single training course in the world and none of it would mean squat unless you made it your own so that it worked for you...

eh... blah blah...

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 12:59 PM

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Well maybe okay

for a race gun but I don't think it would be a good idea for use in a harsh environment as you pointed out.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 2:45 PM

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the *Game*....

Could you see being in the middle of the Desert and expect that to last more than 3 months without some serious issues?

Plus for the price you could build your own and save 1/3 rd the cost.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 4:57 PM

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price point

Yeah ISD,
the price they quote is ridiculous in my opinion. I am on board with your assessment of the compensator models. I was at a night shoot where the instructor demonstrated this phenomenon. It was quite impressive, but even on his 5 o'clock my night vision was curtailed.

thanks for the input. you are cornucopia of shooting knowledge.

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4 years 20 weeks ago, 5:14 PM

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Interesting. I feel that it would be a fun shooter and being on the Glock platform would allow transfer of most skills and all muscle memory from range/competition to "real world" situations.
As stated, not a carry gun but sexy practice! : )

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 10:19 AM

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slide cutouts

Factory Glock longslides like the G17L and G24 have cutouts so the slide is the same weight as and can use the same recoil spring as a standard G17 or G22. Same for factory Glock compensated models (which are thankfully dying out).

If you're worried about debris, then the large gap between the slide and frame on any Glock would be a concern.... but thus far it hasn't been to end-users of Glock sidearms. As long as the cutouts/gaps/etc are engineered and have been properly tested I wouldn't worry too much. The slide pictured looks like a lot of work and $$ for minimal benefit.

The aftermarket setup shown does look like a 'gamer' rig as described by ISD; anyone thinking of doing this to their sidearm could easily invest an equal amount of $$ in professional training and/or practice and achieve the same gains in speed.

The only way I see this as a real benefit is weight, and on an already-plastic pistol I think it's splitting hairs. The old Kifaru backpacker bolt action rifles had all kinds of holes, slots, etc to keep weight down, and looked/worked great....but I'll take the extra ounces to comfort my 'wheat side' regarding reliability and durability.

4 years 19 weeks ago, 10:26 AM

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man that looks crazy. never seen that before...Think ill stick to my stock slide tho

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 11:54 AM

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Check out their website, they do shotguns as well. Pretty good engineering, I do not shoot three gun, but I can acknowledge quality when I see it.

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