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4 years 19 weeks ago, 11:04 AM

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More to come. Almost finished annual in-service training, then I'll be posting more often.

Practice does not make perfect!

I work full time as a local Police Officer and we are in the middle of annual firearms training and qualification, and this brings a few things to mind in regards to range habits, practice, and general shooting shenanigans.

I'm not a rich man, so I don't have an unlimited budget to buy ammo to practice. My department, like every other state and local entity, is also facing budgetary restraints. We don't have ammo to waist. I have even less time to waist. Between full time work, starting a small business, 3 kids, 2 dogs, 1 wife, details and everything else I have barely any free time. Why the hell would I want to waist time and ammo bump-firing my AR for a U-Tube video!?!

Before you answer, think of this:

As a Sheepdog, be it LEO, Military, or CCW, I am a gunfighter. This is a commitment I have made to myself, my family, and my community at a minimum. For some the commitment extends to the public at large as a government agent/representative. With that commitment comes several responsibilities and liabilities. Most of us don't train enough. Me included. Why do I want to spend time and ammo building bad habits and possibly negatively effecting my credibility as a responsible gun owner? So I can get a few hits in the web?

Everything you do on the range is training. If you carry a gun for a living or as a lifestyle you can't afford to eff off on the range. With every pull of the trigger you are building habits. Are you building good ones that will save you or someone else in a violent encounter or are you collecting cool points?

And what about civil and criminal liabilities? I'm not saying you can go to jail for bump-firing (even though....). I am saying that that video on U-Tube is not going to help you on the witness stand. What is the (anti-gun?) jury going to see?

Plaintiff's Attorney: Mr. Doe, would you call yourself a “responsible gun owner”?

Roll U-Tube bump-fire video

Believe it or not, you don't have to bump-fire and run around the range like Rambo on a meth binge to have a good time on the range. In fact, if you can do crazy shit like that on the range you should also be able to work on some basic skills that all Sheepdogs should practice. Here are a few examples:

1.Drawing from your CCW/Duty rig and delivering rounds on target as quickly and accurately as possible.
2.Transition from long gun to pistol.
3.Malfunction drills.
4.Shooting on the move.
5.Shooting from/around cover (Stress Positions).
6.Support side/one hand drills.

The reality of the whole thing is this:

Most gun owners ARE NOT Sheepdogs, they are well armed sheep. Most cops and military people are not “gun guys”. I have been a cop for going on 10 years and can count the number of “gun guy” cops I know on one hand. I spent 7 years selling firearms in a retail store to sheep that wanted guns. They wanted to “feel safe” so they bought a Smith and Wesson 442 and got a CCW permit. Most have probably never shot anything more than the prescribed course of fire to get the CCW permit. Others have played Sheepdog because they had money and a mid-life crisis. They went to Thunder Ranch or took a few Magpul Dynamics classes. They only tote Ed Brown 1911's and JP Rifles. They sport all the latest and greatest gear and even talk the talk. But when the shit gets real the Sheepdogs are changing mags and these guys are shitting their Underarmor.

As a Leader of Marines, Law Enforcement Trainer, and Sheepdog I pick up and carry a firearm with one purpose. That is to take a life. PERIOD. If you don't want to or don't think you can, don't leave the house with it. I get dressed for duty every day with the same little ritual. I go in the back room, which just happens to be the “gun room”, and get dressed. In silence, with my only company usually my little buddy Wicket the Pomeranian, I visually inspect my uniform. I reflect on the sacrifices I have made to have the honor to wear that uniform and those that have paid the price of blood while wearing ones like it. Next I strap on my vest and back up gun. Its my Po-Po American Express- I don't got 10-8 without it. I finish getting dressed and grab my gun belt. As I strap it on I remind myself that this could be the day I have to fight for my life. I may have to take a life to save a Brother in Blue or a total stranger. I may get injured, I may bleed. As I finish up and get ready to leave the house I draw from the holster a few times, just to make sure everything is good to go. I walk out of the door ready and willing to pull the trigger if I have to. I do so not because I want to kill, but because I can if called upon to defend those who can not or chose not to defend themselves. I have the training, confidence, and gear that make me a Sheepdog. Although I have not trained enough, I have built muscle memory and good habits through the training I have had. But that is not all I have. Most importantly I have accepted my roll as a protector of the flock. A creature more similar in nature to the wolf than the sheep, with one major and vital difference; Love of the sheep. I am a wolf that preys upon wolves.

So go back to the question.......

Why the hell would I want to waist time and ammo bump-firing my AR for a U-Tube video!?!

I don't and won't. I have to much on the line. I have a commitment to uphold.

Practice does not make perfect. Perfect Practice does makes perfect.

And you can never get enough training. There is always room for improvement. Never stop learning.

Amateurs train until they get it right. Professionals train until they get it wrong.

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 11:48 AM

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ATSofLA

not sure if you wrote this or copied and pasted an article. I saw it was posted on your blog as well.... but it kind of sounds to me like you're hyping yourself up while everyone else are pee-ons. Not sure if that’s the way it was meant to come across or not.

I realize that there are plenty of gun owners who don't go through tactical training everyday, hell they may only shoot once or twice a year... but at least they're gun owners, right? Its better to be pro-gun than anti-gun in any case. As for the mid-life crises tacticool guys with all the latest and greatest... at least they took the initiative to go to thunder ranch, and by going there and buying all the expensive cool shit, they're supporting the firearms community. Same with the bump fire boys on youtube... they're buying more ammo which only makes the firearm industry stronger. I myself am probably somewhere in the middle. I've had PLENTY of training and gone through countless courses in my life. I'm confident in my abilities with everything I own. I carry a CCW piece almost everywhere I go and wouldn't hesitate to defend my family, but I don't stand in front of the mirror and draw from my holster and dry fire every morning either.

I actually like the meaning of being a sheepdog. The only thing is, sometimes I feel like guys who take that title on, feel some sense of entitlement and feed their ego by buying into the fact they are the almighty protectors of all of the other helpless sheep out there. My personal belief is that first of all, I look after me and mine. I'm not here to play the superhero. If I'm ever in the situation where I can help another person who needs it... of course I will. I'm just saying that its not my objective in life to play the savior role.

Again, I like the sheepdog concept... just feel like a lot of guys use it as a false sense of entitlement. I hope I didn't offend you because that was not my intent at all. By the way... did you see my M1A bump fire? Its not on youtube, but it is on GUNSLOT!

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
4 years 19 weeks ago, 12:45 PM

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and not trying to put anyone down. Just puttin it out there. To each his own, but for me there is more to responsible gun ownership than filling out a 4473 and owning a gunlock. Not saying that bump-firing makes you irresponsible, but if you only go to the range once a year and you spend 50 of your 100 rounds effing around...........the shoe may fit.

As far as thinking I or anyone else is entitled to anything or feeding an ego because they carry a gun; not happening. I do it because it is a personal choice I made. It is what it is. For those who think anything else, they need to take a step back and think why they do it. If it is for any other reason besides personal responsibility (for CCW) or love of the job (for LE/MIL) it may be you are doing it for the wrong reason. I don't leave the house every day trying to be a hero. I'm just a guy doing a job. That is not to say I don't take it seriously, but it is not my personal identity and the center of my universe.

As for the vid.... I thought it was cool, just not my thing.

And I wrote the post, it wasn't plagiarized. If it had been anything other than original I would have blamed it on someone else.

No harm, no foul.

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 11:54 AM

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Jesus Reaper, I had to

turn my monitor on it's side to watch your bumpfire video...lol

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 12:09 PM

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what?

did you think I was gonna make it easy on you? If you want to watch, you'll have to work it it.

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:02 PM

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I don't think

he copied and pasted his posting because he misspelled "waste" 3 times,unless that part of his posting was him adlibbing.......what he said had some of a ring of truth to it,as does your reply.

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4 years 18 weeks ago, 6:57 AM

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Spelling

Yeah, my spelling sucks and my typing isn't much better. Sorry. Iguess I'll have to get my wife proof-read me from now on. At the end of the day I'm just a dumb grunt. Never really got the hole hooked on phonics thing down and the DI's didn't spend much time on spelling in Boot Camp.

Sorry again for the jacked up spelling.

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4 years 19 weeks ago, 1:37 PM

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Yep there is a difference.
ATS I have read your post several times trying to be
sure I got it's total meaning.

My only brother joined the Texas Highway Patrol in 1967
In 1996 after 29 years in a patrol car he decided he had
had enough. He had over a year in comp time built up and
over 6 months of sick time built up. He also had 7 weeks
of vacation time he hadn't taken.
If you watched the Mount Carmel Stand Off on TV in Waco.
Texas you saw my brother. He was the Trooper who went into
the compound area in a DPS car and retrieved the wounded
ATF Agents during a cease fire.
We went fishing one day, just 2 brothers enjoying free time and
he told me he had never shot anyone nor had he been shot so he
thought it was time to hang it up.
He turned in all his retirement paper-work to Austin and gave a 30
day notice. He was called to Austin on or about the 28th day and the
DPS Commander says "Jack you have served well and you can't
retire" Then handed him a Texas Ranger Badge and his Ranger ID.
Guess he didn't retire after all.
Anyway after all his training and experience he is a gun owner, not a
gun guy. He dosen't go to the range for enjoyment as we do but goes
to practice his craft of defence of self and others.

A little rebellion is good medicine for the government Thomas Jefferson
4 years 18 weeks ago, 7:08 AM

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That is pretty much spot on as far as the "Gun Guy" thing goes. Most cops see it as a part of the job, like every other training certification they have; its just a tool.

Like I said before, I'm all for the industry, but the reality is there are differences between the segments of gun owners. I have customers who have been hunters all their lives that think ARs and AKs, as well as Hi-Cap mags should be illegal. I know policemen that think only police and military should have guns.

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4 years 18 weeks ago, 8:33 AM

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ATSofLA, Be carefull with spelling, and becarefull of what you READ into peoples posts!! : )
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4 years 18 weeks ago, 6:20 PM

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he didnt

he didnt misspell it he mis used that spelling ( local smart ass ) lol

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4 years 17 weeks ago, 11:49 PM

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Sheep and sheepdogs

I personally consider myself a sheep. I am well-armed, very highly trained, very skilled, experienced, and potentially very dangerous sheep, but a sheep. I have done three tours in Iraq and fully understand that none of those tours, although being "outside the wire" missions and resulting in some very quick and violent encounters, involved me protecting my nation. They were me aggressively enforcing my nation's foreign policy. So I don't consider myself to be a sheepdog as a soldier. I understand and agree with the sheep and sheepdog analogy. I just wish more of the sheep could defend themselves.

I don't automatically identify with someone just because they have a gun or even CCW permit (didn't it come out that Dianne Feinstein had a permit?) because the gun community, just like any other special-interest group, has its share of posers, assholes, and idiots. Hell, just look at some of the winners we've had on this site, ka?

Unfortunately, you don't get to pick your responding officer based on his or her qualifications, so you may get Tackleberry coming in code three and guns blazing, mowing down all 90 members of the 9th Mongolian Horde that are trying to get into your house, or you may get Barney Fife who shoots himself in the ass trying to draw his gun.

That's why it's best to have training and equipment that allows you to take care of most scenarios. I have more guns, ammo, medical supplies, and training using them all than just about any first responder who is likely to come out to the house. I'll call the fire department or EMS because they have the specialized training and equipment that I don't have to handle a fire or medical emergency (I don't have an AED or oxygen...yet), but for anything that a cop might be needed, I'll call them because someone has to come out and file a report for insurance purposes and because it's not legal for me to use bodies for compost.

My attitudes and statements may seem a bit cavalier and there are other things that cops are needed for (I did call 911 on a potential DUI and continue to give updates until the car was pulled over), but the majority of those things are because the general public is either unwilling or unable to work toward making their own way in society.

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Truth without doubt.

Truth without doubt.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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practice to perfection

I have never understood the the whole "practice makes perfect" statement. How does anyone know? Who is perfect, and how long did they practice before they knew they were perfect? What is the standard that is employed to consider perfection? If someone practices incorrectly and still reaches the Utopian perfection, are they perfect, or lucky? Can there be modifications to perfection?

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:31 PM

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Practice

Well, we all know that peerfection will never be attained by any of us, But as for me & mine, I want all of the practice & drill's I can get. the more realistic the better. From experience, I can say that
in a bad situation, or a total society melt down, I would much rather have all the trigger time possible, than be the CCW holder that has only fired the qualification.
Just my 2 little penny's worth.

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4 years 12 weeks ago, 4:54 PM

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here we go

if you want more range time get a few guys to go in and get into reloading lee makes single stage reloaders ,slow but they work when i bought my 44 mag back in 75 i got into reloading i saved over half the price over buyin ammo even with buying new primed brass or get yourself a 22 close to what your carry is and blaze away

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4 years 11 weeks ago, 5:41 AM

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ATSofLA wrote:

And you can never get enough training. There is always room for improvement. Never stop learning..

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4 years 10 weeks ago, 12:49 PM

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perfect practice?

The old adage assumes that a person who is practicing is doing so efficiently, and that the practice somehow replicates or otherwise prepares said shooter for "the 2-way range".

That is not usually the case. Most shooters have received no professional and/or realistic training, and are unlikely to stumble onto realistic training drills during unguided plinking or target shooting. Even target shooters who fire thousands of rounds a year will benefit from experienced coaches/trainers critiquing their abilities and pushing them harder than most folks will push themselves.

If anyone ever sees me at an indoor commercial range, they will probably go say something to the powers that be about the kook in Lane 5. I will almost take a baby-step to the left or right, even if it involved just a shift of my weight to one leg or another inside the cramped plastic shooting stall. I will also be "talking to myself" (mouthing verbal commands, ie "communicate") as I sidestep ("move") and shoot. These tiny oddities help turn "plinking" into "training" in my mind....Shoot-Move-Communicate for darn near every round I fire in "practice", without breaking any rules or disturbing my fellow shooters unnecessarily. I normally have access to an restricted outdoor range, but I still try not to piss off the folks running ranges with restrictive rules.

Training must be relevant, recent and repeated if it is to be considered the Practice that steers you towards the noble but unattainable Perfect.

In this day and age, there are more types and levels of training available unrestricted than ever before. There are cops and soldiers fresh from the 2-way range willing to impart their hard-earned knowledge. There are championship comp shooters who are eager to show you how they run their kit so smoothly and effortlessly. There are armorers, gunsmiths, and a host of other SMEs who can teach almost anyone to fight more efficiently.

Take the time to find trainers and training that are relevant to your situation/mission, learn from them, then find a way to practice those relevant drills on your own, even it is just dryfire in your home or the above-mentioned "mentally ill guy in a shooting range" drills. Then, as the man said above, go learn some more!

I'm currently in charge of firearms training for my agency, and I push my folks hard and often. Even if we suffered a serious ammo shortage during this crunch (I have seen to it that we are well-stocked), we'd still train. I can do a LOT with 50rds per person, esp. if I am training them for disarms/retention, downed-officer rescue, entry shield drills, malf clearance, or any of the dozens of skillsets which do not require large amounts of live-fire to be ingrained.

Getting right down to the nitty-gritty, smart shooters (or anyone preparing for any sort of a fight) cut corners elsewhere and see to it that they are well-trained, regardless of dept policies, economic hardship, or other obstacles.

4 years 1 week ago, 8:57 PM

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That was a great post!! So true. Most places don't want you to draw and shoot, like in the real world. Just to shoot paper only teaches to punch holes!! Gotta train like its the real thing!!
Driving down the road , I'll reach for my weapon, while siting. you need to keep scenerios going mentaly all the time. Same on the range. A lot of shooters, are just shooters.
Reread what TXLUCKYGUY has posted. This is good stuff!!
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I agree with TX LG

One of the things that continues to drive me batty, though, is how quickly someone will disregard advice or tips given by an experienced shooter just because he or she isn't the "Head Director of Tactics and Training at the Warrior Mindset School for Commandos". One of the best things about our community is that a world champion shooter might take a few moments out of his or her training to offer a bit of advice to the novice shooter the next lane over. Try getting Kobe or Favre to do that for an aspiring athlete without charge.

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I hardly run into this, but I do laugh right there in front of the person which blows off sound advice, options in techniques and or help.

Ignorance can be helped but stupid can't be cured...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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I have some deep thoughts on this subject, but will keep them to my self. I like the fact most people are sheep, makes it easier to blow them away when T.S.H.T.F.

If a man can make you mad just by talking, then he is far brighter than you.
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There are a lot of sheep out there who
can turn into wolves in a heart beat.
Not everyone who follows is a wuzzzzzz.
Some are simply dangerous if they are
treated like prey but don't like to lead.

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ATSofLA wrote:
More to come. Almost finished annual in-service training, then I'll be posting more often. Practice does not make perfect! I work full time as a local Police Officer and we are in the middle of annual firearms training and qualification, and this brings a few things to mind in regards to range habits, practice, and general shooting shenanigans.
I'm not a rich man, so I don't have an unlimited budget to buy ammo to practice. My department, like every other state and local entity, is also facing budgetary restraints. We don't have ammo to waist. I have even less time to waist. Between full time work, starting a small business, 3 kids, 2 dogs, 1 wife, details and everything else I have barely any free time. Why the hell would I want to waist time and ammo bump-firing my AR for a U-Tube video!?!
Before you answer, think of this: As a Sheepdog, be it LEO, Military, or CCW, I am a gunfighter. This is a commitment I have made to myself, my family, and my community at a minimum. For some the commitment extends to the public at large as a government agent/representative. With that commitment comes several responsibilities and liabilities. Most of us don't train enough. Me included.

I work at the Police Range which is open to the public and the only time I see 90% of the officers on the range is right before re-qualifications even though they are alloted 50 rounds a month and range time is always free for them. Sad but true....

We hold IPSC every Tuesday night at our range. One, that is ONE officer shows up each and every match. It is the only trigger time he gets each month unless he is Training others in the AR at his departments range. It is more than Cost and Time that keeps many of the Officers from shooting. In talking with them, they honestly wish that carrying was an option that was open to them, both by the Department and the Bad Guys.... Every now and then we see one of them in the News down here in Tampa Bay.... very sad. One of the main things I stress to shooters new and old alike. Get a 22, if they have one in the make and model of your carry get that, if not and there is a conversion get it. Shoot the hell out of it, and learn the Mechanics, Transitions, stances be they the classics or jackass. But get to where you can point that pistol like you point your finger. Without thought, you point you finger exactly where you are looking, when you can do that with your weapon and the round hits that mark your are now ready to kick it up a notch and start jogging do it to multiple targets and with double or triple taps. When you've got that down start running and gunning. IPSC, IDPA, Three Gun and so on if you can afford the latter. But one match a week for us is $5.00 for no members, $2.00 to the range and 50 rounds. Shooting 9mm that works out to $17.00 for the closest thing you can get firing your weapon under stress next to Simunition... It is damn well worth it. not only for the trigger time but also the advanced shooters are almost always more than willing to help you out and or point out possible soultions for you to consider without lording over you.

I happen to be lucky enough to shoot with some top state, national and international ranked shooters. They are fun to be around, humble when needed, smart ass's when poking and joking and dead serious about their game.

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you can't afford to eff off on the range. With every pull of the trigger you are building habits. Are you building good ones that will save you or someone else in a violent encounter or are you collecting cool points?

ummm, we play Darts with a Dart Board target and Tic Tac Toe with one inch dots at 35 - 45 feet. It's a game, sure, but I know I can put 6 rounds or more through one of those dots slow fire at 45 feet and shoot a 20 shot group you can cover with a folded dollar bill rapid fire.

Training is many things and not all of those things will always be viewed a "serious" to every one all of the time.

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And what about civil and criminal liabilities? I'm not saying you can go to jail for bump-firing (even though....). I am saying that that video on U-Tube is not going to help you on the witness stand. What is the (anti-gun?) jury going to see?
Plaintiff's Attorney: Mr. Doe, would you call yourself a “responsible gun owner”?
Roll U-Tube bump-fire video

Without a doubt you tagged that one. How many Anti-Gunners does everyone think is out there watching those videos on Flicr, Youtube and such freaking out about the possible American Terrorists in training? Social Networks are and will continue to grow to be one of the worst forums for Legal Gun Abiding Citizens. Is it the right of the person bump-firing their 92fs to do so on video and posting it for all to see? Sure... Should they stop for a minute and think about what that might do to play into to the hands of those who would take away everyones right to own a firearm? IMO yes...

I mean it isn't that one individual who is going to cause a stir but the other 100, 200, 1000 who follow suite and then feel they have to do something even more extreme sure as hell will. Like the guys with the videos of the shooting full auto Pistols they convert thinking it is cool to do. Or the ones that put firearms in womans and kids hands only to have them get beat on by the weapon many getting cuts up and such only to laugh about it and post it like it is some kind of contest to see who gets the biggest laugh out of it.

So, yeah, I get your point there for sure.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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