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2 years 2 weeks ago, 12:05 PM

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What a terrible disaster, likely wouldn't happen here in Texas. News is talking about 2 - 9mm handguns !! Get ready for a new barrage against guns............

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2 years 2 weeks ago, 12:27 PM

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Also, police or armed

Also, police or armed security in the schools for quicker reaction time to incidents like this. Feel for those kids and their families.

2 years 2 weeks ago, 12:30 PM

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2 years 1 week ago, 4:20 PM

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Allow the faculty the freedom to defend themselves?

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2 years 2 weeks ago, 2:13 PM

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Its sad

This is just another arrow in the quiver for those with the agenda to create more laws and restrictions. They fail to see that stricter policies won't stop firearm related violence or violence in general. It is a cultural problem that is much larger than guns, which have been around for centuries. They won't look at firearm statistics in places like DC, Chicago, NY and on a larger scale Mexico, as well other areas with strict policies. They probably won't mention that there was a KNIFE attack at a school in China today that left 23+ children and one adult injured or killed. I know you all feel the same way. I'm just venting.

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2 years 1 week ago, 4:39 PM

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Agreed Reap

I apologize, in advance, for politicizing this tragedy, as this is a horrific tragedy. And I truly empathize with the parents and those children witnessing this evil. But we know the enemies of liberty have no hesitation in politicizing these tragic events to further their goals. To preempt, this once again happened in a gun-free zone. As Plato put it, "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws."

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2 years 2 weeks ago, 2:52 PM

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very sad indeed.

ive been listening to the news continuously repeat "bushmaster type assault rifle" and "high powered fast action handguns"with "high capacity clips" all day. bloomberg released a statement to obama calling for immediate legislation on "assault weapons".....these people are like political vultures waiting for a tragedy like this just so they can pluck everyones heartstrings, in their grieving or concerned state of mind to gain more political anger at inanimate objects rather than their users.i havnt heard one report saying "this guy is obviously sick"or anything,instead they keep talking about why?why did it come to this?what set him off?why does it seem like people get so caught up in how or why they forget the important FACTS.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
2 years 1 week ago, 4:07 PM

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Tragedy

My heart bleeds for the families affected by this senseless act. I just hope that cooler heads prevail and the immovable fact that gun laws don't prevent gun violence is seen, though I know it won't be. This is going to be exploited by the left like there's no tomorrow.

2 years 1 week ago, 4:35 PM

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Tragedy

I can not imagine what kind of deamons could haunt a human being to shoot down innocent children. I too have heard he had a .223 rifle. This will be exploited to no end. The perp wasn't old enough to buy or possess a handgun, so new laws won;t change that. Assault weapon ban will be pushed hard. And when that asshat Bloomberg is willing to walk all the precincts in NY without bodyguards wearing his $15,000 Rolex, then he can ta;k to me about gun control on law abiding citizens

2 years 1 week ago, 9:39 AM

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anybody that spews their shit about gun control now needs to be held in the same contempt as that Kansas church fanatic. Thoughts should be with the grief stricken, survivors and those families that lost little children. Nothing but contempt should be heaped upon the likes of Blombrg ( mispelled on purpose) and those that would shoot their fucking mouths off now about gun control.Fuck them.

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2 years 1 week ago, 2:11 PM

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And the worst part is their numbers don't work! Up until 1989 there had been 16 school shootings in American history, and we were so disturbed by that that we created "Gun Free School Zones" to counter a problem that doesn't really exist. Since we did that in 1990 there have been 106 school shootings. So, basically, all we did was disarmed the people who take our children into their care for the convenience of every psycho on the face of the Earth.

Teachers in Israel are armed for the purpose of protecting their students. Total number of school shootings in Israeli HISTORY? 10. Total. EVER.

The numbers just don't lie.

2 years 1 week ago, 8:56 PM

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with "Kill Zone" and refuse to have anything to do with "kill Zones" or That mentality. I was told by my wife about a 16 yr;old that boy that was getting bullied for awhile, he finally fought back in school against the bully.He was given an inschool suspension for some amount of time i don't know for fighting.So we now punish kids for standing up for themselves.Not my kids i teach them right. Kill Zones= schools.

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2 years 1 week ago, 4:51 PM

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gun controll

Yahoo news is full of nuts shooting in Ca. malls
others making threats and finding 47 guns in
his possession etc.
All hell is breaking loose and look for it to get
worse. If it ever comes to only outlaws having
guns I'll be an outlaw and if I'm ever in a spot
where some nut is freaking out shooting what
ever I will pop a cap on his ass real quick.
Take that to the bank.

A little rebellion is good medicine for the government Thomas Jefferson
2 years 1 week ago, 5:44 PM

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Wow

And the hug a thug brigade is out in force. I'm getting bombarded by some idiot on facebook telling me it's my fault this guy did it because people like me don't do enough to help the mentally ill. I am so sick of the excuses and the enablers. All I want for Christmas is for people to get a clue!

2 years 1 week ago, 7:51 PM

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2 years 1 week ago, 10:43 PM

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You didn't show up when I searched the name. The only thing that came up was some guy from Quebec. Weird. You can find me under Matt Clark, same pic as here so you'll recognize me.

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2 years 1 week ago, 9:00 PM

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I feel for the community, the parents of the children, and the families of all who were so callously murdered. It is as though I am a part of that community, and therein lies what I believe may be the problem. Much has been made of the fact that the USA is a divided country, especially if we compare our sociology during pre WW II days --during the war itself, and after the war, to now. How did we lose our sense of being together in the existential fight we were waging? The post war years were in many ways a tribute to advances in science, engineering, producivity, and people who rejoiced over being a part of a country which literally saved the world from a fate worse than death. We were not perfect, for certain,and we struggled with "all men are created equal" versus "Jim Crow", and the unbounded determination that Communism was not going to be allowed take over the world. We improved our schools and set high standards for our kids, and FAMILY, friends and community were our superglue.
But along came high technology--along came the age of the solid state digital computer, and this fascination has turned into the equivalent of a behavioral addiction. Friends who interact with other friends by texting--family members who happen to sleep under the same roof, while almost completely absorbed in their own little silent digital worlds, even while sitting in the same room!! Our modern technology has conspired to almost obliterate previously normal human interaction, and we have all but morphed from a WE oriented into a ME oriented society.
You may rightfully ask--what does that have to do with the Connecticut holocaust?
I am not attempting to play psychologist, but we certainly have had no answers from our TV MD Psychiatrists and PhD Psychologists to help us understand the dynamics of these crimes. It angers me that all they have offered is pap, and I believe we cannot sit here weeping and wailing that "evil" has always been extent in our world. So, I dusted off my dormant educational background and I dare now to postulate what I believe are the dynamics of this case; I admit that it is a stretch considering the paucity of information.
Young Lanza was described by peers and friends as intelligent with a dark personality [a Goth in the modern sense]. His friends report he was well treated by his mother, but we do not know much about his interactions with his siblings. What could have motivated his murdering his mother and a sibling? I believe Lanza was having difficulty transitioning to the ME orientation, and thus not "fitting in" with his non-Gothic peers. I believe he asked for help and counselling from a busy mother, and a sibling who knew the "ropes", but he got no help from either. IMO he saw his mother's teaching and counselling of gradeschoolers as depriving him from this much desired help, and the refusal from his sibling as betrayal. This created maximum frustration for him to the point of "justified" aggression against the obstacles to meeting his needs.
OK---at least I exercised heretofore sleeping capability, instead of leaving you with a crock of commercialized "expert" opinion.
I leave you with another thought: Think about how much our scientific knowledge has advanced since JFK challenged the nation to put a man on the moon in a decade of time, and thus put us ahead of the bad guys, re outerspace exploration. So what can we do? It will take more than a village. It will take the whole country. I say to you, even in the face of our national debt and other fiscal problems, if we took half of our foreign aid $$, and created a national goal to research whether there are DNA-Genotype precursers reliably connected to violent antisocial tendencies and behavior, we might discover startling data that would permit/require simple infant testing, and make gene modification a requirement, for the safety of the society. I know this sounds like a phantasmagoric [Nazi-style] way to employ science. I see it as an exploration of inner space for the good of humanity.

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2 years 1 week ago, 9:49 AM

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Don't know if these killers are genetically inclined to do the evil they do, but it seems to me that there are almost always signs of mental imbalance. Trouble is parents and siblings don't want to believe there is a problem. I think this guys mom had her suspicions but thought she could handle it herself. Rather than gun control why not spend the effort on mental health where people could be made aware of warning signs and have easy access to treatment. But I wonder why if mom was concerned about her son why did she not have her guns locked up in a gun safe? Why is the kid living at home at 20 years old? Want to kill? join the military and get your ass over to Afghanistan and kill bad guys not children, Oh wait, I forgot these guys are all cowards. We have a few businesses here that are posted gun free zones, they have the right to do that, I have the right to never spend a dime in their establishments. I don't think these businesses know how many ex military here carry.

2 years 1 week ago, 10:43 AM

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A short while ago, Bolivar made some minor news by avoiding a mass shooting. A young man 18 to 20 yrs old was turned in by his mom for planning a shooting spree at our local theater during the new twilight move. I wont get into all the details, but his mom had concerns and went to the police and saved a lot of people. It sounds like he and this guy out east have a lot a things in common like mental problems. In a rare occasion of agreement, we should cut foreign aid and work on this problem. All that aside, why was the family intervening the exception and not the rule. If my brother had issues and I did nothing, I don't know how I could live with myself if he did something like this. Bad things happen because good people stand by and do nothing. Reporting a family member is tough but we can see what the alternative is. Gene therapy may be an answer some day, institutionalization of those deemed a risk to others is something we can do now. That and pushing reciprocity through congress while doing away with gun free zones.

2 years 1 week ago, 11:41 AM

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I agree with almost all of your essay. Being educated to recognize signs of aberrant behavior would be very helpful to our society, but developing that sensitivity is no small chore. And while it could very well save lives, it is a passive strategy, unless the society/culture requires that it be responsibly reported in a discreet, lawful manner to community health professionals. Your third sentence beginning with "Trouble is" -- is, I believe, the nucleus of the problem. I think it is not just parents and siblings. IMO, it is the narrow attention focus of the ME disconnection in our present society/culture. What about teachers, store clerks, bus drivers, neighbors, librarians, family doctors, and the like, in terms of regular contact and behavioral observation? I believe we need to expand the idea of "neighborhood watch", instead of rationalizing "it's not my job", or "it's none of my business".

You are correct that this horrendous event has given us, alas, another lesson in gun safety. Lanza's mother [may she rest in peace] violated the rules, and thus, would probably have been charged as an accessory to murder, had she survived. I choose to believe such careless disregard by an otherwise intelligent person, was a product of the compulsive, inward, self-oriented focus of the ME disconnection: preoccupation with the self can be very dangerous.

I do not believe Lanza "wanted to kill". I do not wish to sound like a bleeding heart apologist, but I believe, as I stated above, his frustration and anger created an irresistable frustration and the justified "solution" was to remove the blockages to his happiness, any way he could. Thus, sadly and ironically, his mother unwhittingly provided the method.

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]

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