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6 years 19 weeks ago, 12:44 AM

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This is the kind of event that can take place anywhere at anytime. There are literally thousands of people just like the jackasses in this video.
If not armed this couple might have been read about in the local papers.
We are supposed to believe that at any time we feel in danger, we are to call 911 and we will be protected by law enforcement.
Watch this video and tell me what you think the outcome would have been if this couple were not armed and just called 911. Remember, this only took seven minutes to transpire.

http://splodetv.com/video/why-we-carry

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6 years 19 weeks ago, 11:52 AM

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This guy is an idiot

While he was completely justified in presenting his weapon at the sight of the bat, we as armed citizens in public are held to a higher legal and moral standard. If you have a firearm on you in public, you have lost the right to talk shit or escalate a situation with such gestures as the finger, or using profanity. While he was legally justified, a better reaction would have been to drive to the nearest police station parking lot and getting the attention of a cop. I know, none of us sexy gun dudes likes the idea of getting cops involved when a +P JHP will work, but none of us likes the idea of losing everything we have in a wrongful death suit when it comes out that we had an operational vehicle and could have avoided the situation. There's also the fact that this guy took their camera at gunpoint, which is called robbery. Justice? Sure. The smartest way to handle the situation? Not at all. Plus, I'm pretty sure this whole thing was staged.

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 1:21 PM

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even if I were sort of cornered, I would have, in this case, warned them to stop their advance or I would shoot. If they kept coming, I would draw the weapon and go to the ready, with one more warning, also believing that the camera might be recording audio. Assuming they stopped, I would order them to their knees-then face down, spread eagle, away fom the truck. Next move , get the tape, don't steal the camera. Get the license number, leave and stop at the first telephone source, if I did not have a cellular.

All of that being said, I think it was staged.

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6 years 19 weeks ago, 12:03 PM

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My thoughts

Yeah, I agree with runawaygun on this one while he is somewhat justified in his actions he could have handled it better...such as driving to the police station. But you are also correct FreedomMilitaria, this is an example of why citizens are inherently free/justified to carry.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses
6 years 19 weeks ago, 12:01 PM

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Also, we are just spectators though. It's always easy to make judgement calls on situations which we ourselves are not directly involved in, that we may not have been able to make if we have been.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses
6 years 19 weeks ago, 12:22 PM

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I (sorta) agree

Monday morning quarterbacking is normally a bad thing, and I would not take part in it if the video showed a sudden attack requiring a quick decision, but the "victim" in this video had plenty of time to come up with a plan, and it was the wrong one. There is a difference between defending yourself and loved ones, and showing off in front of your girl. If this video was not a staged event where the four of them knew each other, as I suspect it is, then the man was absolutely wrong.

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 2:35 PM

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he and his woman friend in a very dangerous situation. He boxed himself in. I to would have found someone from LE/police station somwhere safer than a dead end road. He then forced a confrontation. Dumbshit with the bat was way out of line and could have been killed for his stupidity. I think a judge would have frowned on this in court for all parties. Legality of it, who knows? But is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. He would of had the video for proof in court. I think pulling his gun before the guy brandished the bat would be ruled illegal, but if the bat is coming then you are in emminent peril and shooting is justified.
This is a dicey situation at best. I think the Bmer was definately pursued by the Deliverance gang. But if I was in this situation, I would be thankful that I was legally carrying.

6 years 18 weeks ago, 6:41 PM

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The legality

I don't know how it is elsewhere, but if it had transpired in the great state of Arizona, the guy would have been justified in pulling the weapon even if the guy had not had a bat. The fact that there were two guys in the truck makes it easily justifiable. If I am not mistaken, the "victim" could have used the statements made by the guys on the tape as intent in court, even though he did not know they made them. I believe past actions and behaviors and weapons or capabilities of an agressor are allowable in court as part of a defense. I'm not 100 percent sure on this, but I'm pretty sure this is correct.

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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none of us know whether it was staged or not. the look on the redneck drivers face didn't look too staged.
obviously the driver did not know the road and was trying all means to leave the scene. he circled several times and only came to a stop when forced.
at that point, i feel the same as he did. his only alternative was to draw on the redneck. at that point Bmer dude had no idea whether the redneck was armed, intoxicated or anything. all he could go on were the actions this redneck and his deliverance inbreads we provoking.
i would have taken the camera too, and then when i was totally in the clear i would have taken it to the LE.
do we know what would have happened if the couple would have just sat in the car and waited for the rednecks to surround them? i think we all know that if he had done that, the rednecks would think they had the bluff in on them and it would have boasted their bravery. then what?
i for one will not sit by and wait to see if my girlfriend is going to be raped or killed or both.
but that is just my right to make my own decisions, at least until they take that right away from me too.

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 9:38 PM

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Good educational video

Helps us to 'think' about the best way to diffuse a situation. If the BMW driver tried to call the cops or evade the attacker and became trapped becuase he did not know where the police station was is the question. Did he have a cell phone on him? Should he need that cell phone? I leave my cell at home and turned off on the weekends because I want family time away from the job.
Other than flipping them off, he did good. He tried to evade and avoid the situation. I would have taken the camera becuase I do not want video of me pulling a gun on someone. You never know what a jury will decide.

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 9:57 PM

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"He tried to evade and avoid the situation. I would have taken the camera becuase I do not want video of me pulling a gun on someone. You never know what a jury will decide."

HAHA YEAH AND THEN THE DUMBASS PUT IT ON THE INTERNET! HAHA

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 10:00 PM

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ssra10-how crazy

Personally I would want the camera. Why would you post the video without photo shopping yourself out. Thinking it might be staged

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 10:03 PM

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Yeah I can see how it might be......until the end, those two guys faces are way too shocked/scared to have it be fake....The guy looks like he's gunna shit himself and the arguments they make to justify themselves sound typical of someone who is nervous

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 2:49 AM

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I had someone follow me one time in Houston. They followed me for a good while before I was on to them. I made a bunch of pointless turns to verify that i was indeed being followed. Then I allowed them to close distance just enough to get a make/model and color of the vehicle. I was armed at the time as a licensed CHL. I contacted Houston Police and told them what was going on, gave them the vehicle description, my location and direction of travel, and notified them I was legaly armed and stayed on the phone with dispatch untill a unit arrived. I started leading the asshole farther away from where I was headed when they decided to start getting closer. I suspected that they knew that I was on to them and I figured that the were going to try to do what ever while they had the chance. I told dispatch that they were acting aggresively and that I was now concerned for my safety. I made a u-turn at the next opening in the median. The followed suit. I then made a highly aggressive u-turn over the devider, through the grass and got behind them and hit my brights. I slowed to increase my distance and they floored it. I gave dispatch their license plate # and last known direction. I readied my H&K USP after they followed me on the first u-turn, but never made it visible or anything. I wish i could have seen the look on their faces when I got behind them. the hunter became the hunted. I'm thankful they tacked tail and didnt stop, i had a rotten day at work that day and wasnt in the mood for more bs. Why they followed me, i dont know. i drive with respect to my fellow drivers and i wasnt driving a fancy vehicle. I guess they just picked the wrong guy to f*ck with. I was relieved after the incident, but it left me feeling kinda uneasy afterward.

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6 years 18 weeks ago, 7:37 AM

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thats a good story (not good that it happened) but i think that it was handled correctly. in virginia you can draw your weapon if you feel your life is in danger if the threat is armed or not. if the threat advances knowing you are armed then you pretty much ARE in danger and can use force. anyway, there has been several stories come up about people getting robbed on the side of the road, "stopping to help" people with their vehicles, then beat them and take their wallet/purse, whatever. being that i have a 2 year old with me at all times, this is why I carry

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