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5 years 36 weeks ago, 9:33 AM

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Monday, November 10, 2008

WASHINGTON -- A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may -- may not, I hope not -- but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Broun said he also believes Obama likely will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.

Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.

"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."

Obama's transition office did not respond immediately to Broun's remarks.

Here is the direct link:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/10/republican-congressman-warns-oba...

5 years 36 weeks ago, 1:44 PM

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I see it coming. These

I see it coming.
These fuckers and their New World Order.
They have to be stopped

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 6:09 PM

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national security

the Army announced that as of Oct. the 1st brigade would be deployed to the U.S. as homeland security and "civil defense". why would we need more military force here? in their release they mentioned "civil control, and civil unrest".

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:43 PM

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what happened to our "National Guard"? The last time I checked they were being sent into combat in Irac so our government could avoid a draft.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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Obama Scares me

He has too many strange coincidents not from the media, but from his own words. Isnt anyone paying attention

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 12:24 AM

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absolutely not!

I would say that a lucky 20% of the US is paying attention... the rest are loaded up on perscriptions and just as smart as an 8th grade girl. God forbid people look at reality.

A big change is coming around the world. freedom hating power-hungry change. a PC new world where they smile in your face and stab you in your back, get out while you can if you know The Way.

5 years 36 weeks ago, 6:55 PM

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me too

i don't think hardly anyone has been paying attention to his real goals. the media has kept all of the real truths hidden from us. all you have to do is dig a little, then you can really be scared. hopefully nothing happens and we all live in a perfect world. but we ALL know that is impossible. now we not only have to fear from external threats, but internal as well. to all the naysayers, i sure hope i don't get the chance to say i told you so.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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Republicans have been trampling over our civil and constitutional rights for a decade: warrantless wiretaps, torture, secret prisons, detention without representation, breaking the separation of church and state, and on and on.

Your accusations against Obama are ignorant. He is proposing a civilian organization to complement the military in its tasks. Where does the military operate? Outside the country, and so would this new organization, for things like helping rebuild Iraq and other non-military objectives that the military is currently being misused for.

You like to accuse Obama of being both a Marxist and link him to Hitler, which makes no sense. Hitler was a right-winger, running on many of the themes as the Republican party: family values, morality, support of the military, national pride. And the phrase "New World Order" was popularized recently by a Republican president.

It's people like you who are a threat to our democracy: you are ignorant, and in your ignorance you run into the open arms of right wing demagogues, and it is those people who are the biggest threat to any democracy.

5 years 36 weeks ago, 9:43 PM

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incoming

take cover, cause its about to start raining shit

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 9:59 PM

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igkjr3!

you can suck my nuts!i am not a threat to the democracy!i am one of many that are trying our hardest to hold it!then we get misinformed communist wannabe's like you who believe(foolishly)that this dipshit Obama will bring CHANGE!WHAT CHANGE?TELL ME WHAT CHANGE!OBAMA'S BEEN TALKING CHANGE BUT AINT SAID JACK SHIT ABOUT WHAT CHANGE!COME ON NOW,TELL ME, BECAUSE THE MESSIAH HASNT TOLD "WE THE PEOPLE"JACK SHIT!HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN ANOTHER EMPTY SUIT THAT CAN READ A TELEPROMPTER SCREEN! AN YOU AND ANYONE ELSE THAT AGREES WITH HIS DUNBASS IDEAS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUSELVES!GODBLESS AMERICA,MY ASS!GODDAMN AMERICA!Dont show up at my door when you are starving!fuck you!i will only allow people that want to contribute and earn their way to a better AMERICAN lifestyle.

5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:05 PM

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can I get an AMEN

can I get an AMEN

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:19 PM

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Well said greasy

Good post

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:18 PM

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Adolf Hitler was a leftist nationalist. He shares some wealth redistribution values, socialization of industry and gun confiscation with Obama. Hitlers values are contrary to right thought idealism. Did you ever read Mein Kamp in high school? Obama's play book comes from leftist ideals such as blaming a segment of the population for societies ill's - like corporations, whites, gun owners......Hitler too was a community organizer...
The republican premise has been lost with George Bush. He expanded government, increased spending and did not stand up for constitutional values. But the Patriot act was very constitutional becuase the governmental right exists to monitor foreign entities. This goes back to Tripoli. This is why the case has not been shot down by the supreme court. We have a right to survival.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 11:36 PM

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facts

You coward. you hide behind a no name no face profile. if we are so stupid then you shall lead the way. your question of where this new organization will operate? i just told you, in this country dumbass. if you can read look on the Army web site and you can read the truth. don't sling out Marxist propaganda hoping that we will believe you. i dare you to find out what Osama...oops, i mean Obama has in store for our 2nd amendment. when you get the facts, put up a profile and don't be such a pussy.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 9:44 PM

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lol

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:24 PM

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Our Constitution!

where does it say stimulus check and welfare?I am out of work and cant find any but i wont take welfare from "OUR GOVERNMENT"!myself and my family will do whatever we have to do to survive!poaching,raiding a garden whatever but you wont see greasypaws on the welfare roles!i would rather ask my GUNSLOT brothers and sisters for help!

5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:36 PM

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Well said greasy

I have friends and family that accept welfare when they are capable of working. The State advertises welfare. Its an ad campaign. Other staes give bus tickets to NY to get rid of their welfare people. NY makes it so easy to get on welfare that people move here for it.
But greasy, if you need help get it. Your the reason the help is there. You want to work. You may need some help for a time, but youll end up back on your feet. The welfare I hate is generational. Mon was on welfare, daughter is on welfare.
When the steel mills close in Buffalo, my dad reluctantly accepted welfare until he went to the police academy. I ate enough welfare cheese. Thats why I hate grilled cheese.
Hang in there brother. The working man needs protection.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:40 PM

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thank you demo!

it is hard for me not knowing when i can buy grub for the family and when i will find work but we will keep on keepin on with the kind words and support of fellow americans like you and others here!thank you all!

5 years 36 weeks ago, 11:03 PM

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I was hurt in the Marine's 22 years ago and got out on a medical dischange. I worked for a for 7 years before my injury from the military started to acted up and made me lost my job with the VA. The VA hired my knowing I had a serve-connected injury and still fired me because of the injury. It took me 2 years to get on SSDI. My SSDI is based on my injury from the military and the VA does not want to pay me. I'm only 20% which is $230 a month but I can not work because of my military injury. I have been trying now for 15 years to got my 100% from the VA. I have a case in now that should got me my 100% now. I will not know for sure until sometime until January or Feburary if I get my 100%. A 100% pays $2,640 a month. Right now my wife and I are trying to live off $978.00 a month and I only get $72 for food stamp a month. I'm living in my in-laws second home, other wise we would be homeless. So, I understand what you are talking about.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 11:08 PM

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thamks f350

for the suport!

5 years 36 weeks ago, 4:39 PM

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greasy!

this post breaks my heart bro... though im not there to help with my hands, my heart goes out to you and I will keep you in my prayers. really.

5 years 36 weeks ago, 10:41 PM

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FDR started this back when he took office in 1933. Before he took office there was no taxes on the land you own. He started the 10 planks of Marxist, and we were know as a Republic nation not a Democracy as all our president call us now. The government has been playing a word game for years.
You need to go back to school and learn how to read because Hilter was not a right-winger he was a left-winger. You just have your head stuck in the ground and don't want to believe the true. And all of this the warrantless wiretaps, torture, secret prisons, detention without representation, breaking the separation of church and state, and on and on. This has been going on since FDR was in office.The phrase "New World Order" is nothing new, it has been going on for years just with a diffence name for it.

"WAR IS A RACKET, I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street, and for the Bankers." Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler USMC Ret. 2 time Medal of Honor winner.
5 years 36 weeks ago, 11:01 PM

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What are they teaching in highschool? I learned a lot about communism, fascism and why they were wrong. We learned about marxism and nazism. Go I feel old. But we understood hard work. I worked all summer long to ppay for hockey season, fishing....carried golf bags, picked corn, washed dishes...now theese jobs are all foreigners.
Education is now an indoctrinal time. They indoctrinate kids with a lack of respect and a sense of entitlement. These kids get out with poor work skill and work ethic.

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 9:49 PM

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You got that right!

You hit the nail on the head brother.

Go ahead punk, Make My Day!
5 years 36 weeks ago, 1:40 PM

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this is a weird thread

All this politacal talk and not one attack from Sytasyn or samD. I am at a loss of words...

just fucking with you two guys

good discussion, I think greasy said it best when he said:

igkjr3!
you can suck my nuts!i am not a threat to the democracy!i am one of many that are trying our hardest to hold it!then we get misinformed communist wannabe's like you who believe(foolishly)that this dipshit Obama will bring CHANGE!WHAT CHANGE?TELL ME WHAT CHANGE!OBAMA'S BEEN TALKING CHANGE BUT AINT SAID JACK SHIT ABOUT WHAT CHANGE!COME ON NOW,TELL ME, BECAUSE THE MESSIAH HASNT TOLD "WE THE PEOPLE"JACK SHIT!HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN ANOTHER EMPTY SUIT THAT CAN READ A TELEPROMPTER SCREEN! AN YOU AND ANYONE ELSE THAT AGREES WITH HIS DUNBASS IDEAS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUSELVES!GODBLESS AMERICA,MY ASS!GODDAMN AMERICA!Dont show up at my door when you are starving!fuck you!i will only allow people that want to contribute and earn their way to a better AMERICAN lifestyle.

you can suck my nuts, that is great!! I love this stuff.

clint

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 3:03 PM

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Mental masturbation is down on my list for the rest of the year.
WTF you trying to stir-up? LOL

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 3:20 PM

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where's the link?

where's the link?

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 3:24 PM

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link

isn't link in the legend of zelda?

I am such a geek!!

clint

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 3:28 PM

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what do you know about

what do you know about Hyrule?

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 3:35 PM

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No politics

I believe I am done with the Political Discussions. I don't want more shit to start and some BITCH goes whining and messages the owner of the site...Didn't work last time and didn't work this time. PPPBBBBBTTTTT
NOTE: Not talking about SamD

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 3:30 PM

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a king on a mountain top

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5 years 36 weeks ago, 3:52 PM

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im with sytasyn_syn

we have talked about enough politics lets stop for awhile we will have plenty of "obamatics" to talk about when he gits in office there is nothing we can do about it get over it and wait 4 years and vote him outim sick of hearing about this cuz this is all we talk about it TWO TEARS IN A BUCKET FUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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5 years 35 weeks ago, 8:54 PM

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well we can gain some ground in 2yrs. And what does TWO TEARS IN A BUCKET mean?

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5 years 35 weeks ago, 11:34 PM

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Suck it up!

I highly doubt Obama will pass any serious policies prohibiting firearm freedom any further. Not to the effect that it will alter any of you pussies everyday lives who cry about it. So stop propagating and whining. You'll be ok along with everybody else. Comparing Obama to Hitler!? Thats harsh! If that bares any truth then you are one of Bin Ladens illegitimate daughters.

I mean get this guy a barbie and pom poms or something no offense. You guys aren't giving him a chance, and that sucks. Only pessimistic outlooks..., and seeing the glass half empty...Seriously are you guys going to continue to hate or get over it and start solving the problems by moving on and accepting something different for once? It's not like your accepting a homosexual son or something. Now that I could understand

P.S. Solving problems by manner of hate only make things worse for both parties. Maybe some more than others, I prefer to not explore that.

5 years 35 weeks ago, 8:23 PM

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pussies

watch your step. most of us "pussies" carry a concealed weapon. based on your statement, did your son tell you he is a flaming homo?

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5 years 35 weeks ago, 10:33 AM

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bsivoljr

First, are you igkjr3 using a different proflie?

Secondly, I don't know who you think you are coming on to this site and calling everyone "pussies". You will have to gain the respect from the users if you want anyone to take your posts seriously... and name calling is not the way to earn that respect!

Lastly, I am trying to be optimistic about our future president, and hopefully he will do this country good. However, I DO see him signing the proposed gun bans that will undoubtedly get thrown in his face! Does this mean they will try to confiscate our firearms... NO. Does it mean that they will most likely tax the shit out of imported guns and ammo (he proposed a 500% increase), put restrictions on certain classes of weapon and further infringe on our 2nd amendment rights similar to the famous Brady Bill... PROBABLY. If you are a gun owner who supports the idea of keeping our constitutional rights in tact, then you would be aware of future president Obama's stance on gun control. It sounds like you agree with him on a lot of other issues, which is fine, we live in a free country... but you just joined a GUN site and started slandering its members and making nieeve claims, therefore I am critiquing Obama's stance on firearms and nothing else. Like I said in the beginning, I look at the glass half full, but I can also "call a spade, a spade." I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler, nor trying to teach history class. I'm just using common sense from prevous events which have occured in my life time and acknowledging the stance of our future leader on this issue. Remember if you stand for nothing, you fall for everything.

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5 years 35 weeks ago, 1:43 PM

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5 years 35 weeks ago, 3:09 PM

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Obama is going to regret all that he wants to do. There will be another revolution, u watch.

U can have my gun when I'm dead and cold!!

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