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6 years 6 weeks ago, 11:36 AM

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Problematic ammunition

I have now gone to the range twice and tried to use Lake City, once fired ammunition that I bought online. Both times, I had it jam up my Stag Arms Model 2T (223 ammo)
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=13_22&products_id=207

I am not sure if this has been a problem with anyone else, or maybe the Stag just doesn't like that ammo. I just thought I would mention it in case anyone was considering purchasing. I did buy it when it wasn't easy to find ammo (prices/out of stock), so maybe at that time things were being rushed to get out on the market...I guess it could be a number of things. Just passing along the facts. In my Stag rifle, that ammo jammed (first time it was after about 20 rounds or so, this last time it was the very first round. The rifle of course was new, I used the mag that came with the gun (also new)
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=38&products_id=286

This time I used Magpul PMag (same result). This mag was also new.
http://store.magpul.com/product/1/3

Note: Next time out I shot brand new ammunition and put about 150-200 rounds through it, not one problem.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 3:38 PM

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once fired brass

Pkato,
do you have access to another AR? Sometimes once fired brass has problems loading into certain feed ramps as you pointed out in your post. The fact that your Stag ate the new factory ammo points me to thinking your problem rested with the Lake City ammo.

It would be interesting to know if the ammo feeds through a different rifle.

It is hard to trust once fired ammo because you do not know how the ammo was fired, or loaded. I always start with new brass and reload until I notice brass damage. Greasy is a great source for intel on this subject. You might pick his brain.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 5:04 PM

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usually puts out good stuff. Did they reload it, or someone else? Some of their civilian stuff was 5.56 but reloaded to .223 because of some strange legalities reguarding their contract and the selling of NATO rounds. Not sure thats the case here.

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6 years 6 weeks ago, 5:41 PM

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Not sure really...I was not trying to badmouth the company, I know ammo can be bad because of a lot of issues or maybe it was the gun or just a compatability issue. Just threw it out there in case someone was considering it. I am still in Iraq but will be back in US in about a month, so I will check into what you wrote and update. It's all at my father's house in the box...if someone wants it...let me know though. I don't think I will be using it again in my Stag...but since I did order a new one (rifle) I could wait and see how it does in that one (DPMS).

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 4:39 PM

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I know Laks City arsenal does all the 5.56 and 7.62 for the military, but I don't think they sell loaded ammo to the public. As for using reloads, yeah, M4s can be awfully picky. I have a shitload of brass, but I haven't tried loading it yet, focsing on my 9mm instead. If you don't get the necks crimped down real tight, the brass can hang up, is what people have told me.

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 5:11 PM

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Hey Runs

To be honest I don't remember where I bought it from, it was a while ago...
But, here is a link from google search, through Cheaper Than Dirt.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM223-5.html

Like I said, afterwards, I shot new ammo and zero problems. Also, I didn't mention this in the post above, but the guy who owned the range and took a look at the jammed round and mentioned something similar to what you did above. Maybe that was the problem. I think I shot maybe a total of 40 rounds of this ammuntion, 2 rounds jammed badly...who know, maybe it wa just two bad rounds and I just need to look at it a bit closer before loading. Will mess around with it when I get home again in June.

Thanks

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 9:45 PM

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does sell ammo to the public,i get it at Gander Mountain here.

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 3:05 PM

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Pkato

If you still can't get it to feed, let me know.
I don't think my single shot break open will care.
What bullet weight is it?

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 3:30 PM

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I will let you know next month...I will be home and I can give you the details....I think 55gr though. I originally purchased 1,000 rounds I believe and have shot less than 100, so when I get back I will sort through it and get back to you.

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 3:39 PM

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Pkato

Sounds good. The twist rate in my rifle will not stabilize the 65gr and up.
Besides, if they are in Tuscon, I kinda like that drive and promised the mrs. we would go this summer.

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