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2 years 10 weeks ago, 8:22 AM

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In California new proposed legislation includes yearly backround checks for a $50 fee, banning any add ons that allow more than 10 round capacity and the use of bullet buttons to reduce mag capacity, guns must be locked up at all times with trigger locks except when cleaning them. ( I think I would have a weapon and my cleaning kit on the kitchen table at all times). Cali already requires a 10 day waiting period, sales by FFL licensees only. even at gun shows. With Dems having a 2/3rds majority in state congress and Gov, Moonbeam Brown in office theres a good chance that some if not all these proposals will pass. Of course none of this will do anybody a bit of good. A serious killer will just drive to another state were he can buy off a private party.

2 years 10 weeks ago, 12:16 PM

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The liberals salavate when these horrible incidents occur so they can further their liberal agendas. One being, banning all guns, gun ownership is the last stand against tyrany. If they did not fear the population, what kind of country would be living in then. We would look a lot more like China and Cuba, that's for sure.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 12:51 PM

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You are right. Once the government has us under its thumb we're done. The libs want total ban of guns, they also have expressed( Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein) getting rid of Fox news and others, having a one party system and more. They couldn't give a crap less about the constitution. Obama said today he wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. Diane Feinstein defines assault weapons as any gun that has a capacity of more then ten rounds weather detachable or fixed magazine, or has a bayonet lug or folding stock. Obama also wants to control the amount of ammo you can posess. Gonna put Joe Biden in charge of gun control so he can be the big liberal hero who took away our gun rights when he runs in 2016. Obama says he wants to hear from both sides, like the NRA and others, yeh right, just like he listened to Republicans on health care or cutting spending. I;ve listened to the anti gun people for years but this is the first time I really felt like I could lose my guns.

2 years 5 weeks ago, 3:14 PM

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This makes my Marlin 22 rifle an assault weapon.
What a bunch of dumb asses

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 1:27 PM

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HOW MANY CARS KILL PEOPLE EVERY YEAR? ARE WE BANNING CARS? HOW ABOUT DRUGS THE THE DOC GIVES YOU?BUT NO ONE BANNING DOCS?WHY DO THEY NOT BRING UP ALL THE GANG BANGER'S THAT KILL BUT THEY DO NOT GO AFTER THEM LIKE THEY DO OUR GUN'S.IF THEY ARE OUT LAW'ED THEY THEY WILL GO AFTER STICKS AND STONES.......

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 2:44 PM

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Hate to say it

as most Americans will say it is extremist, but all the options our founders provided us to prevent the usurpation of liberty has failed. The constitution is being ignored. Our representation has failed the Republic. The voice of people arguing established law is being ignored. The only option we have left is armed revolution. We better hurry before we lose that one too. I'm not saying we should all drop what we are doing and start fighting, but if they try a far-reaching gun grab, that might be the time.

On the other hand, it seems many (if not most) Americans don't want Freedom. They want security. And they don't want liberty, they want prosperity. It makes you wonder if they shouldn't get what they ask for. I just hate that true sons of liberty have to be dragged down with them. Should the 3% fight for them? Seems a valid question I can't reconcile.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 3:02 PM

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The flame of liberty grows dimmer by the year. Public schools no longer teach the notion of liberty and freedom. We have spwned a whole class of people dependant on the government for everything. They expect the haves to continue to give to the have nots. It was most apparent to me when, just one day after hurricane sandy there was people protesting that they had no food or water and where was the governemnt. Really, just one day, we had so much notice and they were out fo food and water the next day. This is what we have sown, this is what we will reap.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 3:43 PM

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Yep. Sounds bad, but this is why I hope for a real cataclysm. The human herd needs some thinning and these asshats will be the first to wither and die when no one comes to feed them, clothe them, and wipe their asses for them.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 6:01 PM

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the brilliance of POTUS #3, Thomas Jefferson:

//The beauty of the Second Amendment lies in the fact that it will be proven
not to be needed, until the government tries to take it from us.\\ [paraphrased]

and, in these troubled times, as many of us lose more and more confidence in the motivations and competence of our federal government, one of my favorites--

// The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and
tyrants\\

SJMB: I hate the thought, but I believe we are getting precipitously closer to the above sentiment fom Jefferson. I took several oaths to support and defend the Constitution of the USA. I consider those oaths sacred. Those oaths had no suspension dates. If most of our veterans feel the same way, there would be a potentially formidable force nucleus for a corrupted government to deal with, despite being initially under-gunned. I cannot think of a better, more worthwhile way to die.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 4:27 PM

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What really pisses me is the sheep following these Judas-Goats! Truly living and dying like sheep is for sheep, not people. I think you hit it on the head there with the trade security and liberty for prosperity and it's languishing bullshit. When we are all rich we will all be equal as the dead. There will be no motivating these fools after they get their wish. Only then will they wonder why they are subjects and not citizens of this country.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 5:07 PM

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The masses are sheep, and not only want to be led, they need to be led. LLE, I too have taken sacred oaths, being a paid fire fighter and a mason, I will honor my oaths, as they are sacred to me as well. I just know that when it all goes to hell, I will be able to protect my family, at least in the short term.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 5:12 PM

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to this post on my fb

WHEN IS IS TIME FOR AN "ASSAULT WEAPONS" BAN?

NEVER!
you cannot legislate morality

FIRST OF ALL semi auto rifles are not "assault rifles" this is a scary term they use to make them sound more dangerous.
SECOND you cant make the world safe by making a new set of laws and telling everyone to follow them(criminals never will).
THIRD my AR15 IS a hunting gun!, so they ARE trying to take my hunting rifle away!
FOURTH the 2nd amendment never mentions hunting...it says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" this means "assault weapons" knives slingshots whatever arms you choose,for any legal purpose you may have.
FIFTH an assault weapons ban WAS and IS an attack on our constitutional rights,it is INFRINGEMENT and it cannot be seen as anything other than what it is to legal moral gun owners
SIXTH every one of these shooters made a plan to kill,they would have done it with whatever they had available.
SEVENTH isnt it funny (sick not haha) that certain political persons are fine with infanticide before birth,and will legislate a womans right to kill her unborn child,but jump out of the woodwork to point a finger at an inert inanimate object (gun)and declare it unsafe,and somehow responsible for the death of these innocent children.

MOLON LABE!

my grandmother replies to me.......

Unfortunately Assault guns and the mega clips that go with them are for "assaulting" and not defending..there is not need for them to be in the hands of the public in this country.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
2 years 10 weeks ago, 6:04 PM

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Your grandmother's reply is what most Americans today believe, unfortunately. They really don't get that the purpose our founders had for the 2nd was for an armed citizenry. Not armed with weapons the allmighty government doesn't consider a threat. But to match the martial might of ANY nation.

And I completely detest the term assault weapon or assault gun. It is a fabricated term that exists only in gun-control legislation.

Almost every person I talk to doesn't understand why citizens need these kind of weapons. Again, my main reaction is why shouldn't we? But the problem is that most people are ostriches and don't realize how fragile peace and security is. They lead their lives thinking nothing bad can happen. Just like the Germans in '35. A nation could invade us at any time and it has historically only been because Americans are armed that such a proposition is daunting. A group of our leaders could usurp the government at any time and it has been historically only because Americans are armed that they have not. And then there is mother nature. She's a bitch and doesn't care about your ideology, politics, or good intentions. Bears and alligators WILL try to eat you. Apes may try to rip you to pieces, dogs WILL attack. Earthquakes and Volcanoes, comets, meteors, hurricanes, fires can and do happen and the only security you will have then is what you make for yourself.

This is why sometimes I think I would allow it. So mankind learns another harsh lesson. But I just don't want to be dragged down because I get it and others don't.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 8:09 PM

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I hear the same thing from the uninformed, they would gladly agree to an assault weapon ban. However, when you ask them to define what an assault weapon is, you will get almost ever type of gun out there. This is where it all starts to fall apart, we need to fight these laws at every step.

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2 years 5 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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The uninformed never hear the truth and
will fall for anything.
They are the same ones who believe this
government never lies and has only their
best interest at heart.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 10:13 PM

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New York State is talking about more gun control....go figure. I really feel bad for these kids and do not know the answer. New York is the biggest gun control state....how can it get worse?
Under the semi auto ban language, even a 10/22 ruger would be illegal. so fucked.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 11:19 AM

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ALBERT EINSTEIN

arguably, one of the smartest men who ever lived, gave us IMO, a most brilliant behavioral, but non-psychiatric/non-medical definition of the term "insanity". I believe his definition is reflective of our governmental and our societal/cultural behavior in the matter of gun control.
Albert said, [Insanity is] "Doing something over and over [and over ad infinitum], and expecting a different result".

Example: our many historic gun control laws.

Best example: What did the "Assault Rifle" , and "Large Magazine" ban accomplish, from 1994 to 2004 ??

It did not "work" because they were the wrong "solutions" to an ill-defined problem statement.

I believe effective solution[s] can be developed ONLY if the problem[s] are properly stated. Only in that way can REAL causes be identified and eliminated. PROBLEM STATEMENTS MAY NOT CONTAIN ANY ELEMENTS OF CAUSATION, like: "TOO MANY 'assault rifles' and handguns".
Why don't you ask our respective Senators and House Reps what their problem statement is BEFORE the next "Assult Rifle " ban is passed?? You will be astonished at the absence of intelligence, wisdom and judgment--IF you ever get an answer.

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2 years 10 weeks ago, 2:44 PM

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Instead of adding to the 20,000 laws already on the books for gun regulation, let's try something new like using the money the government wastes on foreign countries that hate us, green energy companies that can;t compete in the marketplace, corn ethanol subsidys, which are needed to make ethanol barely within the realm of being viable price wise, take that money, use it to hire trained armed guards for every school, for at least two years then let the local tax payers decide if the expense is worth it and fund it themselves. You don't have mass shootings in federal buildings, with police, metal detectors etc. If it's so necessary for federal employees, shouldn't it be the same for our school kids? I am also in favor of doing studies to determine if some folks are pre disposed to violence like some are pre disposed to alcoholism

2 years 10 weeks ago, 3:57 PM

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It's coming

2015 at the very latest, this will be a one party communist dictatorship.

2 years 9 weeks ago, 5:49 PM

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against an armed US citizenry, organized and trained by a huge cadre of recently retired Patriot General Officers, with loyal groups of officer, NCO and EM corps, willing to follow them into hell, if necessary??

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
2 years 9 weeks ago, 12:31 PM

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I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but I've got a bad feeling that the commies have won.

2 years 9 weeks ago, 4:12 PM

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Hellfire--Matty

By the time the shootin' starts, there won't BE any Commies.
There WILL BE a big bunch of Obama fellow travellers, called Islamunists that will be excellent targets, so trust GOD and keep your powder dry!!

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 6:45 PM

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Here's a crazy thought, lets go over the cliff and let them try to enforce a ban when every agency is cut by 10%. I'll bet that they are more scared of losing funding and entitlements then we are of higher taxes. Once the welfare and unemployment stops, they will jump through hoops to get it back. Will it work, who knows. I will say it has a better chance then Boehner cutting a good deal.

2 years 9 weeks ago, 8:50 AM

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I agree. I think the only way out is through. It's going to suck, but the country needs a re-boot and the herd needs a thinnin'.

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2 years 9 weeks ago, 9:16 AM

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I can survive through a lot, it's my kids that bothers me. They are young, 5 and 2. I've lived a good life and have served my country and would fight for it again. Maybe we do need to reset the country, but as a father it scares me what will happen to my kids. However, if we keep going the way we are as a nation, what future will they have. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

2 years 8 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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MSNBC, AKA Pravda, had to stop kissing Obozo's communist ass long enough to admit that there was NO AR-15 at the Sandy Hook shooting, that they had LIED! So this whole thing is now exposed for what it actually is, them using the blood of children to assault our god-given rights! They lied about this for weeks until someone, probably the local police, made them come clean! And I don't want to hear any of their shit about a mistake, because it wasn't a mistake, it was a deliberate lie and they just didn't think they would ever get called on it!

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please.

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2 years 8 weeks ago, 5:22 PM

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http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

It keeps freezing up on me now, so patience is a must.

2 years 8 weeks ago, 10:31 PM

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Story changed

I listened to the sheriffs press conference. He said the AR was in the car. How politically convenient..........

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Politically Convenient

Is that code for bullshit?

2 years 8 weeks ago, 5:33 PM

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At first I thought it was reported that the rifle was left in the car. Then they all said it was what he used. The media is going to spin this the way they want to. People are pushing an agenda and the facts be damned. If one were to believe the statistics that they use, with all the AR sales the last couple of weeks, we should all be dead by now.

2 years 8 weeks ago, 5:53 PM

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Nailed it!

Nailed it!

2 years 8 weeks ago, 6:14 PM

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We will have to wait for the official report that will detail the number and type of shell casings found. That is really the only way to know which weapons were used.

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When do you think we can stop saying the word liberals or liberalism and use the proper word communist or communism. The communist leader Breshnev said they "communism" would overcome capitalism and that the U.S. will be ruled by a communistic government. His speach was known as the great united nations shoe pounding in the 50's. Visit cpusa.org. Then read a book called "Dupes". Educate yourselves or be educated.

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Not Breshnev, but Khrushchev.

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How much more will people take!!! NY gun bill is a sacrilege.
States need to start taking HARDCORE stances against outrageous violations of the second amendment.

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