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4 years 31 weeks ago, 11:20 PM

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The guy feels your gun under your shirt and makes a grab for it. If the holster is on your belt outside your pants you can put your forearm under the holster and lift it so the gun can't come out. Meanwhile the guy is knocking your teeth out.

If it's inside your pants at least one of your hands is trying to keep the gun in it's holster since the bad guy has already got a grip on it.
A "small of the back" holster, would that be really hard to protect since it is really behind you where the bad guy is?

I am looking for better choices than wearing out the guys knuckles on my face waiting for him to get tired and leave.

Obviously, letting him have the gun is NOT an option.

I keep my knife on the same side as my gun, can't draw it and stick him with my weak hand unless I replace it with a switch blade.
I don't carry a backup on my weak side but it's an option, if you can.

What is your plan to keep your gun when someone decides to take it away from you?
Please be rational, knocking him out with your weak hand prolly won't happen. Turning loose of the gun to get a better swing on the guy lets him land on the floor, flat on his back holding your gun.
Remember, he has at lest one hand on your gun, you likely cannot bring it to bear on him.

The question is assuming one bad guy, it could be a gang of several teenage minority kids but for now how do you deal with the one guy????

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4 years 31 weeks ago, 11:39 PM

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Might carry a cross-draw on your weak side to
have your strong side free to punch if you have to
If someone grabbed the gun on your weak side.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 6:24 PM

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 6:17 PM

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outlined above.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 7:16 PM

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his arm with your arm,with your strong hand grab his thumb,break it,rip it off his hand,spinning to front him at the same time,if you can't grab thumb,grab fingers and break them.i carry a knife on weak side as well,even if i don't open it,which i can,i can do major damage with a closed knife driving it thru his hand bones( i really will try and drive it thru his hand) i am a big believer in violence of action once it starts,the gentleman in question that tried to grab my gun would be seriously fucked up or i would not stop until i was dead.

I am aware of my surroundings at all times,and do not get in a situation where i could be bumped by some stranger,i have a real good friend that i have known for over ten years that does not know i carry concealed,i don't tell anyone or pull my gun out and say lookie here,so getting into a crowd i'd be protecting that side of me where the gun is just a bit more.I have trained for gun retention as well,Rob Pincus would be pleased.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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with ya there, meet attempted violence with extreme and overwhelming violence.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 30 weeks ago, 7:52 PM

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guns if you will, 9mm PPS 'strong side', Taurus .380 'weak side' and an M-4 in the trunk/back of the car, because I can under Utah law, I will not be out gunned.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 7:55 PM

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I would do a chest strike with me off hand and try to take a step back and draw down on him...ofcourse depending on how big he is to how big I am, that might not happen....if chest strike does not work, Im gonna kick his knee in. Im looking for shock strikes as to get him to flinch and let go of my weapon...something cool to look into with the pistol magazine are MADS http://www.m2corporation.com/dev/img/mads_group_main.jpg
m2corporation.com. Also might try and get a throat strike if I could get it in there.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 8:07 PM

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hang onto his arm and blow out his shoulder when he hits the ground, then stomp on him all about his head and chest.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 30 weeks ago, 8:23 PM

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1. A person who is fighting for air is not fighting with you
2. Eyeballs do not have to pop to hurt like someone is stuffing it through the back of your head.
3. The nose is the bulls eye for one of the more painful nerve centers
4. You can use an open hand strike into the pelvic bone and separate the cartridge on one or both side causing the hips to roll out and making it impossible for them to stand.

Fighting is not an option, destroying is what it is about. If they have a hand full of shirt, holster, bag or what have you. Your goal is to destroy each time you block and or attack.

get animal... and you would be surprised just how much damage an unopened knife can do.

You can gash the face, throat and eyes. Crush the temporal bone or use it like a roll of quarters in the hand. Once you have giving them pause you don't stop, but you continue to attack and destroy.

It's about beating them down to the point that they are not a threat. Or you have the chance to unholster and put a stop to it that way.

All I know, is god fucking help whomever makes that grab....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 30 weeks ago, 1:13 AM

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1) lou.. see this was up yesterday.. Sorry i didn't see it..

2) an excellent question. if your carrying you have a responsibility to everyone to keep that weapon
safe.. The first person it's going to be used on is probably you.. This might be the important post you read what Lucky said is an absolute, you must use violence, first, second, until the last, all the rest is talk and bull shit.. VIOLENCE!

I'm going to be 100% honest with you.. If your reading this on a "serious" levil.. not just a fast read, but if your sitting on the edge of your seat "thinking" about this and not full of adrenaline, then maybe you shouldn't be carrying a gun..

First hand stuff, Gospel (you guys know what that means to me) i knew both of the officers (one pretty well) who were involved in whats euphemistically called a "retention" related inmate shooting.. They were at whats now the Florence regional medical center.. year was 1991.. inmate had to be uncuffed to facilitate medical care.. inmate pushes first CO back, and takes side arm of the second officer ..

My friend shoot the inmate who was then treated for two problems.. The fact that the sidearm was taken away from the female officer kept this (in my and others opinions) from being factually reviewed.. In all probability the inmate would have been able to take my friends weapon (revolvers days) away, but doubt that the female officer would have been able to shoot the inmate. Maybe thats unfair, but i knew the female staff (competent..but small) also the wife of our complex major (respected Maj Padia lots) and a "nepotism" hire..

The gun "take away" at COTA (correctional officer training acc) staff are lined up, across from each other standing face to face with the "gun" presented.. KNOWING it would be taken made very little difference, the gun is either knocked, or depending on the match up taken away..

The only way to keep this from happening is to have SA at all times when armed. and if their is an attempt to fight with all you have.. Sure learn moves etc.. They go right out the window.. First time your assailant does something different.. one way only.. VIOLENCE.. kick scream. figure you have 5 seconds.. anybody good can hit you 7-9 times in that 5 seconds.. You (least me now) might be giving up half a step.. I honestly know that fights (boy do i know this) are won are lost in the first 2 or 3 of those 5 seconds.. It's not technic thats going to save your ass (unless you train to the point of absurdity) its him knowing your crazier than he is..VIOLENCE..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:04 PM

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crazy, mean violent men, me too. We know what it's like when one goes off. There is no rhyme or reason, just plain and simple fists and feet as fast as he/she can throw them. He wants his target hurt bad or dead, don't matter to him.
You're 100% about the first few seconds. The person that takes the first few hits prolly lost, it's not schoolyard fist fight, it's meaness in it's rawest form.
If a person bumps you he likely has a good idea you're carrying by the way your shirt hangs on one side or one hip stands out more.
Those who answered my post which said maximum violence are correct, just as soon as you feel the hand going for the gun. There's no time to think it over or wait and see what he's going to do.
If he was not going for your gun but you misunderstood his actions it's better to be safe and knock him to the floor.
If he is one of the psychopaths I mentioned above you don't have time, he has to be stopped before he can hit you.
His eyes, throat, balls, shins and feet are there to be hit, poked, squeezed, scraped and stomped.
I think everyone that carries a gun should run this through their mind from time to time for the same reason that they practice draw and shoot with the rig they wear on the street, practice with weak hand and practice with speed loader.
Take a look in the mirror, look for some sign of the gun.

What did I take away from this? I'm moving my knife to my weak side, thanks for bringing that to my attention LBC !!

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 10:38 PM

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In all seriousness and hoping no one ends up thinking I am a freak or anything...

I carry my wallet in my left hand pocket with an extra 12 round mag with 12 rounds of .40 Gold Dots in it, in my left hand front pocket is another 12 rounder full of Gold Dot with the front edge of the mag catching the edge of the corner of my pocket holding it up in within reach of my finger tips. On my left side in a single mag pouch I carry a 3rd 12 round mag of Gold Dot, on my right side is my Sig 226.

Clipped inside the front right hand pocket is my Kershaw Leek spring assisted and on my right hand read pocket is my Kershaw Blur Tanto spring assisted.

Maybe it's the manner in which I grew up, but, making someone dead isn't all that hard a proposition to fulfill when it comes to protecting myself or another.

Triggers are a bitch when they open the flood gates of festering pain and hate...
ah... anywho...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 30 weeks ago, 11:10 PM

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near you & LBC:<)

I've taken LBC's putting knife on weak side seriously, had not thought of it. It's there now.
I already knew what to hit, when to hit and how to hit but was looking for any suggestions that I had not thought of which would give me an edge.
I carry a "J" frame Smith, RNL. Your 1st thought "EEGADS only 5 rds !!" I carry 1 speed loader. Your 2nd thought "ya gotta be shittin' me, only 10 rds !"

Yeah, it's light duty but if the target is within range I'm confident I'll score close to or in the 10 ring. I practice at 25 yds, that's a fairly long shot for the real life gunfights.

A few more minutes here then it's beddy bye time.

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 11:15 PM

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 1:55 AM

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I just read you response above.. all of a sudden i had one of those O shit moments.. reread what i had posted.. put yours together with mine.. O SHIT.. Lou please believe me.. when i was saying you ...i didn't mean...wait for it...you..

I can see where it could be read that way.. duh cause it's worded that way maybe.. Lou, with all that i am and believe in .. please know that it never crossed my mind that it would sound like i was talking to you.. because i wasn't ..For what it's worth i would never be that dictatorial (the statement about adrenaline and not carrying) to any one here, and sure not my "senior" buddy Lou..

Geez will do a better job of rereading his posts.. Besides the fact that i just wouldn't have those thoughts about Lou.. I'd rather drop a hammer on the bunion than say anything hurtful or disrespectful to anyone.. re read the senior thing..lol.. sigh..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
4 years 30 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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I understood zackly what you meant. I think you answered my post correctly.

I posed the original "Hypothetical" in a way that made me sound like the geek in high water pants, shirt pocket protector full of pens and pencils and my thick plastic glasses frames held together with white medical tape.
That's not totally me, I have wire rimmed glasses :<)

I wanted any ideas that I've overlooked or forgot. I got that !

Anyway, as a corrections officer you saw the guys I described, evil dudes. I saw them in the drug rehab. They go off and you can stick them in the eye with a pitchfork and they hardly notice, that's ugly!
You have my respect for the work you did! Thanks!!

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 2:53 PM

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Air weight.. with you on the five thing, unless a running gun battle (im laughing at the thought of me EVER getting in a hopalong gun fight) 5 should do it.. I've given this a life time of thought and there is no perfect answer.. for me the best carry is the airweight.. the only major issue is that speed loaders are bulky, if i'm going into population i carry a speed loader..Ebear of all people found a "sorta" answer for me sometime ago with speed sticks..rounds are flat (daisy you ever tried them) I have this "dress code"..laughing but fact, and guessing im not alone here.

work dress.. P-22, ballistic, strong side .. old worn Gerber sheath..

knockabout dress (run to PO etc) Jeans.."someth'n" mezk'n carry.. "someth'n". sheath knife

town dress (wrangler bdu's) airweight, speed loader.. ballistic. (strong or r back) butterfly knife..

dressed.. airweight and speed loader both in leather..(galco sm back) butterfly knife..

Dressed. airweight and speed strip.. (galco sm back) butterfly knife.

DRESSED. the little freedom arms .22 . dress butterfly.. (beautiful walnut stainless)

not much talk about butterfly knifes, very popular in Asia.. two folding handles with a blade in the middle, with a bit of practise you can have a small wood "stick" turn into a 4-6 inch blade. real quick.(as in instant). they carry well.. meaningless for work.. one purpose only.. by nature a butterfly (even my good ones) have an inherent weakness with the two top links that allow folding. they wont take a lot of abuse but they "present" well.. If you've seen one opened right you know what i mean..pulling a knife is a good way to get shot, but if needed nothing quite says "don't tread" any better..

a man has to hold his word, hold his beliefs, and hold a good sight picture.
4 years 30 weeks ago, 3:42 PM

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The ones that are built to last are heavier & slower but still spin nicely. I've never mastered handling them.
The only thing I carry is the Smith, I have my pocket clip knife which I switched from strong side to weak side due to LBC's input, found out I can open it with my weak hand :<)

Ebear suggested you use "Speed Stick"? Isn't that a deodorant? That guy !! LOL
No, seriously, not heard of an ammo loading system like that, I'll check though.

I was reading something recently, a person thought a semi-auto could be rendered useless if it were pressed against the bad guy so that the slide went out of battery. Apparently that person has never tried to jack a slide by pressing it against any part of themselves also they should try not pressing so hard LOL.
They claim a revolver is better because you can just push it hard against the target and shoot. It's been my experience that the cylinder has to rotate and the hammer has to go both back them forward to enjoy a discharge. If the intended recipient of the projectile is in cuffs behind his back I suppose that is possible.

Too much "Keyboard Kommando" bullshiite sometimes :<))
What do you think?

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4 years 30 weeks ago, 4:57 PM

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I got a little J condom in black sitting here needing the edges finished up and then it's homeless.

post some pic's tomorrow afternoon of it. really simple, goes between the belt and pants so it pulls up snug as a bug in a rug, slight forward cant, no thumb snap strap though...

Think someone else mentioned a J frame a good while back? I think that is where it came from,l I found it moving somethings around on my bench, noticed the butt of my J frame blue gun and low and behold a condom done wrapped that Rosco .

ha!

Covert Carry Solutions : Custom Gun Condoms "Wrap that Rosco" LOL

feeling weird today, too many dye fumes me thinks.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
4 years 30 weeks ago, 7:29 AM

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actually the J Frame is an excellent choice for carry. Easy to shoot, accurate as the person shooting it and makes a hell of a club too.

Billy carries a Coonan .357 and a 45, or 357 or 45 magnum or another Coonan.

It's a personal thing for sure and what you choose is what you know.

Though I'm not so sure I would carry that big ass Wildey like Billy does at times it sure would get the attention of anyone he shoots with it....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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