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1 year 5 weeks ago, 11:37 AM

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Are Obama's Executive Branch instrumentalities and personnel being used as

the NEW USA Gestapo !!??

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 3:56 PM

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New Gestapo

It sure seems that way to me, I remember him saying the following: "we should had a civiallian defense force, as well trained, as well armed and as large as our existing military". He said this before his first election, you can look it up, when I would point this and many other things about him to people I knew were voting for him, they just shrugged it off.

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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The National Security Agency [NSA] seems to have become the next US domestic Gestapo crew, after the IRS. As usual, the NSA interception of millions of commercial phone conversations is defended as permitted under the Patriot Act, but the Patriot Act was written so as to deny such wholesale surveillance of domestic communications.

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 5:47 AM

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NSA

The current administration has never let little things like laws and the constitution to get in their way.

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 9:16 AM

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1984's BIG BROTHER is with us now.......not just telephone, but also most other forms of communications, like GOOGLE searches, Social Media material, and even Ham Radio.
My guess is that THIS SITE is under surveillance, and we are now on the "enemies list". Our filter words probably are "constitution, bill of rights, 2nd amendment, oath of office, impeachment", and the like.

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 10:11 AM

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Big Brother

I am absolutely sure it is, you know they live to marginalize any group that is not lock step with them. An IRS audit can't be far behind.

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 2:27 PM

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my $.2

yes we probably are under scrutiny,and however unconstitutional it may be,in a way im glad.they can see how many are not on their side playing the part of the silent majority.it is starting to get quite out of hand and becoming an increasingly valid fear/argument for constraining the government.

PATRIOT.
CONSTITUTION.
2ND AMENDMENT.
IMPEACHMENT.

CRY HAVOC and let slip the dogs of war!
1 year 5 weeks ago, 3:31 PM

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Thomas Jefferson

"When the people fear the government, you have tyranny, When the government fears the people, you have liberty."

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 3:32 PM

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Ben Franklin

"When you trade security for liberty, you end up with neither"

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 4:52 PM

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North Korea does not monitor it's citizens as closely as Uncle Sam watches us.

1 year 5 weeks ago, 9:43 PM

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After the latest revelation from our government, I have to agree with you.

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 10:12 PM

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whats wrong with profiling them? Bush wanted to monitor satellite communications between terrorist nations and domestic phone calls. How did it become everyones phone records?

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 4:16 PM

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is for fundamental transformation of this nation, and THAT requires a much more sophisticated knowledge of WHAT the people believe, than any existing polling can even begin to yield.
So, IMO, he believes fundamental transformation absolutely demands detailed understanding of current domestic thought patterns, in order to design successful attacks against undesirable thinking. The "research" employed, must utilize the "mining" of broad ranges of huge quantities of data that cut across important choices of stratification[ like age, sex, geography, political orientation, religion, race, etc.]. I believe his belief system is a permutation of a very erudite 20th century philosopher [Pogo Possum], who once famously pronounced the words, "we have met the enemy and HE is US". I think Obama changed that for fundamental transformation purposes, to something like, "I know the enemy, and they are lots of THE PEOPLE, so I must find out to what extent they will have to be dealt with". And so, it should not be a surprise that he uses the "tools" available to the POTUS, legally or not. The NSA gets him the data, and the IRS can help with suppression, even to the extent of which "enemies" might be able to get critical medical treatment.

So now, with these ever erupting scandals, we are hearing the same kind of bull caca as we heard during the breaking Benghazi tragedy [ a response to a you tube video disrespecting Islam]. In the case of potential NSA excesses, we are told Congress was fully briefed [but they were undoubtedly also told they could not tell their constituents, because the info is classified. And, our data mining "does not collect", names, telephone numbers, email addresses, OR store CONTENT. The data collected is analyzed by super computers to identify potential threats by pattern analysis, using algorithms developed by threat analysts.
If you believe that story, I have a bridge for sale between Manhattan and Brooklyn, New York. The price has just been drastically reduced.

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1 year 5 weeks ago, 4:52 PM

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The profiling of citizens didn't start with Obama. Here is a link to a report put out by the Missouri hwy patrol in 2009. This is under the same governor that released the list of concealed carry holders to the federal government. Obama has just put all of this on overdrive and hit the gas. All the this snooping and they didn't see Benghazi or the Boston marathon coming. It begs the question of just whom does the government fears and sees as a threat?

http://constitution.org/abus/le/miac-strategic-report.pdf

1 year 4 weeks ago, 10:29 AM

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I guess by "the government", you mean the Executive Branch. My opinion is that as POTUS, Mr. Obama, does not PERSONALLY care much about national or international security, except to look and sound as though he really does care.
Some time ago, I used the term [executive branch] "oligarchy". By that, I meant a presently secret coterie [of loyal individuals] that are located both laterally across and vertically down through, the Executive Branch bureaucracy. Only these individuals know who makes up this oligarchy, from the highest down to the lowest ranks, and strict obedience to orders is required without fail. Leakage results in immediate death. Good performance results in rewards. So, for example, I LMAO, when people in the media complain about efforts to appoint Susan Rice to SecState or NatSecAd, or complain about putting a high level IRS official on admin leave WITH pay.

To that oligarchy, terrorists are any persons or organizations that could potentially obstruct the oligarchical operational plans to fundamentally transform this nation. [This can include members of Congress and the SCOTUS].

To the legitimate Executive Branch, terrorists are any individuals or organizations who espouse and appear capable of committing militant violence against any part of the USA, or those under our protection.

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1 year 4 weeks ago, 11:35 PM

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So are you suggesting that the current administration is not legitimate? Of course this is a rhetorical question, your thoughts on this are well known. However, an election was held twice and he won both times, for better or worse. The fundamental transformation is the abandonment of traditional values. This movement in the social mores has seen the social acceptance of drug use and gay marriage while gun owners and love of country is scorned. To this point, it seems that we citizens that feel that the government should be constrained in both size and scope are the ones that the powers that be truly fears. What they are succeeding in doing is to sow those seeds of fear into the rest of society that gun owners are time bombs waiting to go off and conservatives are racist haters that want to starve old people.

1 year 4 weeks ago, 4:23 AM

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The "current administration" is what the POTUS wishes the people to believe is operating in accordance with the constitution. Every time he makes a verbal pronouncement, he enlarges and clarifies what he hopes is a beautifully believable picture of the desired utopia to come. The two elections have demonstrated to him that we have far more sheeple whose practical intelligence is based upon "what's in it for ME?" rather than the sense they were born with. His megalomania says--that's the way to go, to achieve the transformational goals.
I believe your analysis is correct except that "the sheeple" are not part of "we citizens". Ultimately, the oligarchy's plan to sow the seeds of fear is already failing, as more and more scandals are uncovered, and I believe, ultimately, even the sheeple will be overcome with clear evidence of what IS OR is NOT "in it for me".

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1 year 4 weeks ago, 9:12 PM

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To use a well-worn phrase: SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE CONSERVATIVES and despite being gun owners/lovers/collectors, none have been seen or heard advocating racism OR starving old people. Nor have any thrown grannies over the cliff. Nor have they organized militias or held classes in how to construct bombs.

For the benefit of the NSA algorithmic scanners, my conservative friends are veterans of WWII, Korea and Viet Nam and the Desert Wars, and one is still on active duty in special ops.

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1 year 4 weeks ago, 4:04 PM

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Potus

He gace a speech yesturday where he claims that if the public does not trust the government, then there is a problem, ya think.

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1 year 4 weeks ago, 3:47 AM

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Interesting thread

I had to look up "GESTAPO". After looking up the definition, first person to pop in my mind was our attorney general Erick? Holder talk about towing the line. Does anybody else see the book of Revelation coming alive? For example. Rev. chapter 13. The most popular or most known prophesy of the Bible. The stamp of 666 on the right hand or forehead in order to purchase goods, like food, and water. Picture, if you can, a minister or priest at the turn of the last century having to give a sermon on this particular passage. No one back then could have conceived of the notion that the food chain could be that controlled. And look at us today. If a bag of lettuce contains salmanilla, or a cow has a disease called mad cow, we know exactly what farm or ranch that lettuce or cow came from because of a bunch of numbers placed on the packaging. I know I am on a rant and its more than 2 cents worth. But hear me out. The U.S. was known as the moral light of the world. And now...not one of the 10 commandments is illegal here in the U.S. and everything that God describes as detestible is being "not just practiced" but being taught to our children as a way of life. It took me a while to understand that there is NOW a difference between my love for the cross, and the stripes of the red white and blue. It is my belief that communism is the most evil of all evils because it replaces God with itself and eventually will eliminate all that challenges it. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. When we talk gestapo, we are talking communism and the evil that is towing that line. Anyway thanks for the opportunity to vent or rant. I am out of typing space.

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