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3 years 10 weeks ago, 9:36 AM

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So I came across this the other day, an Interesting concept. I wonder how well and quickly it will work in the dynamic battlefield.

http://www.ultra-gunfirelocator.com/

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 9:41 AM

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LIke everything else, they're getting smaller and lighter.

I saw UN using a 3-sensor vehicle mounted setup (acoustic triangulator) a long while back in Europe to find snipers.

If SAS is actually using it, then I'll bet it's GTG. Those guys are a little hard on their gear to say the least.

3 years 10 weeks ago, 10:25 AM

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thats a pretty cool concept

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 10:26 AM

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Directional Locators

Boomerang Warrior-X been fielded also by the UK for trials. http://bbn.com/news_and_events/press_releases/2010/pr_boomerang_111510

They are running trials in the UK. This is one type of system that I would consider a must have ASAP for the Military, Police, ICE and Secret Service and no one should whine about funding it.

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 10:49 AM

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I think the link I posted stated they have a battery life of 7 hours. Not good enough. An electrified rail system would aid in the survivability of the finder.
I would argue about funding the directional finders, for some applications. How well would they work in an enclosed space, like a building. SWAT and HRT teams find themselves in these locations. What about general infantry, should they be equipped with this technology? How do you know which gunshot is the enemy? I have no argument for the use of a dedicated directional finder, but I think it would get very confusing during a firefight with all this extra information for the infantryman.
I like the idea of being able to pinpoint your enemy from his report, but I think this directional finding technology is more suited for counter sniping, than firefights.
Perhaps Runaway can enlighten me on this concept.

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 12:19 PM

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already spend hundreds of millions a year on at various Colleges for various Studies. I think we could fund something along these lines....

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I think the link I posted stated they have a battery life of 7 hours. Not good enough. An electrified rail system would aid in the survivability of the finder.

Actually the technology of Solar Panel Technology is well to the point of expanding that charge life to nonstop use. http://www.voltaicsystems.com/

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I would argue about funding the directional finders, for some applications. How well would they work in an enclosed space, like a building. SWAT and HRT teams find themselves in these locations.

Out side it would be a number one game changer in operation and logistics if they knew exactly where each asset was located and where shots are coming from.

In clearing a building location of good guys verses bad guys is always a good thing. With some additional technology and programming it could expand to not only set things up so the Officers know exactly where their counter parts are located, but even give them a way to communicate without voice commands in a visual map.

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What about general infantry, should they be equipped with this technology? How do you know which gunshot is the enemy? I have no argument for the use of a dedicated directional finder, but I think it would get very confusing during a firefight with all this extra information for the infantryman.

If each system is pinging the other on a frequency hopping encrypted spread spectrum radio signal as a private network, they could triangulate each position and show up on the screen of each solider giving him the exact location of their fellow soldiers. Knowing where your guys are at all times would be a huge advantage without saying. It could also help reduce if not end Friendly Fire incidents from taking place as with Pat Tillman. They would have know it was him and the others US troops with him instead of thinking it was Talliban.

Besides the fact that Smart Bombs and other intelligent ordinance could know if it was directed at friendlies. With the system knowing the location of all US and friendly troops it could also be incorporated with systems such as the Airbust rounds so that all they have to do is move the weapon in the direction indicated on the display and fire at the last known location if dealing with a sniper who is not moving locations or and dung in machine gun position, mortar position, etc.

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I like the idea of being able to pinpoint your enemy from his report, but I think this directional finding technology is more suited for counter sniping, than firefights.
Perhaps Runaway can enlighten me on this concept. clint

There really are many possibilities for such a system and power isn't really an issue with the fusion of the correct technology. It is just funding that limits what they can do really.

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 12:04 PM

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you are right on... it would be much more suited for counter sniper operations. I think it would make sense for a SDM or similar to have access to something like this.

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 12:29 PM

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So basically, you are restating the landwarrior project. I agree with this, but as far my research took, me, the technology of the directional finders were one dimensional. i.e. sonar for gun fire reports.
The voltiac system is nice, but I still a problem with battery life. I have to admit I know almost nothing of the technology it takes to charge a power system with solar energy, but what happens if we are engaged at night?
If we can improve the lives of our soldiers, airmen, seamen, and marines, I will listen. But we are also experiencing a huge inflationary period in our history. We must be more discretionary in all spending. It will be interesting to spectate in on this system and gather information from the SAS about the combat worthiness of the system.

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 1:27 PM

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Very true, we do need to get a control on spending across the board. I totally agree as it sits it would be best for Counter Sniping and such.

Capacitors for storage of power to keep the system up and running in day light while trickle charging to keep battery life at a sustained level for power throughout the night.

Or as it sits right now the Ultra Electronic Gunfire Locater operates on 2 double A batteries. Each Solider could have a panel on their ruck with a converter charging back up batteries, or even have it charging while also plugging in the unit to run off the panels during daylight hours.

I'm sure that will be an option if it isn't already in the near future.

Conceptualization of combining existing technology is the only real limiting factor with expanding the capabilities of any given device we have today.

The Acoustic Monitoring would only be a part of what I was getting at. But integrating it and other larger systems which are already in place really shouldn't be cost prohibitive as long as they could ensure it did not fall into being a Money Pit for some contractors.

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 2:07 PM

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We tested similar equipment years ago in Iraq, now while I'm sure the technology has improved, we had a lot of issues with echo's....

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 2:26 PM

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was that the hummer based Boomerang systems? I seem to remember something about some problems with that?

Actually one of the best setups for such a system would be to have it used in a grid pattern. That way they could have predetermined points of reference when attempting to narrow in on the position of the rounds being fired.

One of the ways that Police departments are using it to help control crime.

They are now testing the Boomerang Warrior-X in Afghanistan though finding anything on how it is actually doing is a project on its own.

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 5:24 PM

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wounder if we can try it out?

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3 years 10 weeks ago, 6:14 PM

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Well, if they can get it right in those mountains, I think it will work anywhere...

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