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5 years 37 weeks ago, 4:49 AM

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So, does anyone think we'll have a problem with hard core conservatives respecting the law of the land with impending legitimate election of Barak Obama for President of the United States?

There is a decency in most everyone alive - with few exceptions. We ALL lose out if that common humanity and basic understanding is not sought out, understood, or respected.
5 years 37 weeks ago, 9:58 AM

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the liberals and democrats(same thing)are well on their way to stacking the vote in places like ohio,illinois and a few others with this vote early crap and sign up then vote the same day.they are already under investigation for votor fraud in many places so step back and look at more than just your liberal media especially with being surrounded and oppressed by all the liberals in san diego

5 years 37 weeks ago, 10:31 AM

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Jesus, Grease? The guy asked a question...no need to slaughter him for it!!!
I honestly believe that there will not be any DRASTIC Laws passed causing people to revolt, just steps in that direction. I think that some White Supremacists might try to take a shot at him but it would serve to only cement his position. I do see some discontent among the public but nothing worse then the present dis-approval of the current president. If HE hasn't been impeached, and Clinton stayed on, then I think he will be there for at least 4 years.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 11:32 AM

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I agree...

but everything is setting up nicely for a big revolution...I think in about 3 years, Texas will secede, then others will follow!!! Ha! Some big changes are coming though, and what I think people forget is this. Not only will Obama be the most liberal Presidents ever (well, in a long time anyway)...he will be unchecked, as the congress and the house will most likely pick up more dem seats. People should expect more and bigger government for sure. In my humble opinion, we truly lose freedom in our country when government takes over things...I know many liberals said we lost a lot of freedoms under Bush, but I have asked those who made those comments, what freedom, exactly did they lose and nobody had an answer. Anyway, my point is, the more govt takes over programs and implements them, the more they control our life, therefore we have less freedom. I don't think the apocolypse is coming, but a brand of socialism is and in some respects, some people will be very happy, but in the long run (in my opinion), this undermines what our country stands for!

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 11:46 AM

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Thats a good point

Thats a good point Patrolmen, Allot of people have said we lost freedoms but I can't personally think of any of them except for the whole "listening in on phones and the patriot act scenario".

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 6:10 PM

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of any of them, except illegal phone surveillance??[the Patriot Act is Law]

How about--Erosion of the Habeus Corpus doctrine
How about--Warrantless Surveilance
How about--Creation of secret facilities
How about--Use of torture, in contravention of the Geneva Convention
HOW ABOUT THE MOST POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS:PRESIDENTIAL SIGNING STATEMENTS,where-in Bush declares why he will not follow Legislation already passed--Who in hell is HE--The King of the USA!!??

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 2:30 PM

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I'm the ass

How about I have been shut up in Iraq for 18 month of the past 2 1/2 years and when I am home I don't spend that precious time hunting down reasons to hate my country. Sorry for not having infinite resources at my disposal and CNN and word of mouth as my only info source that is easily accessible.
My bad, Sorry

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 5:27 PM

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to be defensive. But to label my concerns as "hunting down reasons to hate my country" certainly is not accurate in my case.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 5:57 PM

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Hope you accept

I know and I completely agree, I was out of line and I apologize...It has been one of THOSE days and I just got bad news. Out here bad news is kind of amplified. Sorry again

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 2:52 AM

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Keep on keepin on. Your service to your Country is greatly appreciated by this old fart.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 4:19 PM

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My take on it....

I hate to just join and start an argument, but I have to weigh in...

How about--Erosion of the Habeas Corpus doctrine
---If that means holding detainees until the second coming...I'm fine with it.
How about--Warrant less Surveillance
---Not warrant less, but through FISA court. In addition, it is software- based (called Carivore) and was developed under the Clinton Admin. If you call someplace like Yemen, the computer will start to keep track of your calls....go figure.
How about--Creation of secret facilities
---Fine with that too. The liberals are doing everything they can to undermine this country, even how we deal with th enemy. I don't care what hell-hole they ship them to. We're not talking about Americans but the people that want Americans dead.
How about--Use of torture, in contravention of the Geneva Convention
---Not technically torture. Also, the Geneva convention does not cover "enemy combatants".

5 years 37 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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New one on me.

Patriot Act Scenario? Whats That?

5 years 37 weeks ago, 12:26 PM

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just google patriot act

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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ok

ok

5 years 37 weeks ago, 1:58 AM

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I appreciate the time ya'll took to respond to my question. I had a long reply, and then I almost threw this computer out the window when it froze up. I think this one is actually longer though.... Man that was a drag. Now I am writing it in word - just in case.

So -election fraud. I think it is deplorable. However, isn't it odd that when it DOES HAPPEN and Republicans win - they dismiss it as "whining" from a bunch of "cry babies" and "sore losers". I think someone that is a TRUE patriot would care that a fellow American's vote has been tampered with, or they were intimidated not to vote, or purged from the voter roles because they have a similar name as a felon - which happened to a preacher - but he was black so no big deal right? IS this the America we want? The "Founding Fathers" that everyone likes to quote where the guys who encouraged questioning your government, and finding ways to make it better so that it might evolve as it surely must with the times – so these conversations we are having right here are EXACTLY what they were hoping for. This kind of discourse is one of the major reasons we even HAVE the second amendment! SO bringing up questions about these things is a higher form of patriotism in my mind. It is directly participating in the democratic process, basically ensuring this nation is always, waxing, polishing, painting, lubricating, and occasionally overhauling a few things here and there to fit the times and needs of the American people. It is a natural process that was envisioned by these really forward thinking guys were who were smart enough to realize that we might need to defend ourselves against those who might seek to subvert our democracy and suppress American citizens freedom of speech – who might try and go thinking for themselves or something dangerous to concentrated power like that....

So I’d like to see the Republicans just as upset at the voter fraud that happened in ’00 and ’04 as they are over the – charges – of fraud going on now. In 2000 D’s were called ”whips” and “whiners” and “sore losers” – not American voters who were concerned their votes weren’t counted. Remember, we don’t live under Napoleonic law – guilty until… – it’s the other way around. So there are -allegations- of voter fraud, and they are being looked into. If Obama is elected by some sort of fraud, I’ll be REALLY pissed off. Republicans that I new could care less how they won when Bush waltzed in to the W.H., as long as they won back during the Bush elections, the couldn't give a damn about "voters rights" - they just got what they wanted and that was that - inspiring. With an attitude like that we ALL lose. I personally fear the black boxes they want use to vote on with "proprietary software" – sold to the American people by Diebold, who gives HUGE contributions to the RNC - with the “trust us” wink in their eye – so I vote with absentee ballot.

Greasy - You gotta make it down to San Diego - a Republican stronghold. This a MILITARY town if there ever was one. We are home to the majority of the Pacific fleet man! So I am not "surrounded by liberals", I am surrounded by sailors and Marines. - So, I think I'll stand by my facts, and encourage you to review yours....

We are Americans BEFORE we are R’s and D’s and I’s and G’s and L’s…. I just wish John McCain – who my great uncle, after having his F-105 shot out from underneath him on a wild weasel run, qualifying him for admission into that exclusive Vietnamese resort we all know as the Hanoi Hilton - would remind the supporters at his functions of that fact. We are all on the same team. Now, Russia, CHINA, Iran, North Korea - the rising of the petro tyrants– THEY are the enemy, not a few gay guys and gals that want to get married.. Cmon man… Let them be miserable like the rest of us! Instead of trying to amend the Constitution of the United States of America while the guy who really stuck it to us is running around free in one of our “allied” countries. If we work with them, (the far ultra left) maybe they’ll back off on some of this gun crap they are jammin' down our throats because they might LISTEN TO US IF WE LISTEN TO THEM. Basic stuff man… Basic.

There is a decency in most everyone alive - with few exceptions. We ALL lose out if that common humanity and basic understanding is not sought out, understood, or respected.
5 years 37 weeks ago, 10:36 AM

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Well said

Well posted BobJet. After I got done reading it I felt like an American flag was waving behind me. That kind of thinking is one I wish we could stick to more often. Listen, be heard, fix the problem.
About that black guy who couldn't vote because there were similarities...Some thing like this happened to some white people, sort of. These people(including a little kid, all white) were not having trouble with getting plan tickets because there name was on some "watch roster" And it was some other person with the same name. This people got international coverage, but a voter, no one gave a fuck about? Ludicrous!
Stay sharp BobJet and stay high.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 2:32 PM

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Thanks sytasyn_syn

I appreciate the kind words. I coulda done a better job with the spelling - but I'm glad the message comes through...

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 12:26 PM

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Bob.........

You are doing well with your posts. Keepon keepin on.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 4:25 PM

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The libs

The libs I have spoken with have said that the only way McCain can win is if he steals it like Bush and have promised a race war.

5 years 37 weeks ago, 8:17 PM

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The 2004 Election

Bush did not steal the election. The NAACP, CNN, The New York Times, and a host of liberal media went down and investigated and concluded the US Supreme Court made the right decision.
This is one of many reasons I am no longer a Democrat. They want to steal our money, our pride, our military strength, and our guns. They have promised to do so if Obama wins with both houses Democrats.
A year ago, the Kansas legislature passed a concealed carry law and I am applying for the cc license. I fear we may be in for a rough four years beginning in January.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 11:10 PM

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Amen Navairvet

Navairvet,
Thank you! We have to fight the good fight. I got my CCW license 3 weeks ago. You know it feels pretty damn good to know I have a leg up on the bad guys. It is much better to carry and not need it, than to need it and not have it!
God save this country if these extremist radicals get into power.
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5 years 37 weeks ago, 8:33 AM

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I know and agree with you but try to convince them of that. People are going to believe what they want to beieve.

5 years 37 weeks ago, 3:06 PM

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Facts: What Facts?

Death from Above wrote:
I know and agree with you but try to convince them of that. People are going to believe what they want to beieve.

I know people who have been faced with incontrovertible facts, and they don't care, because they have signed on to the Bush derangement syndrome.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 11:07 PM

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Did Bush steal it, did he legitimately win. Will we every know, really know? What we do know is that he last eight years weren't so great for us, but China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Saudia Arabia, they've had a great eight years. We gave Bush a chance and he didn't read the August Pres. Daily Briefing. Had he done that, and being a former airline pilot - had we gotten the basic info contained therein - for which there is a clear method of dissemination for this sort of information - the intent of the hijackers is all we needed - 9/ll wouldn't have happened.'

So are you better off than you were eight years ago? All I ask is that you give the man a chance. We gave Bush one. I'll read the tea leaves with a clear American eye and call the plays as they really are, that's my M.O. - then we will organize in the American tradition for change if needed. Tell me, what does Obama gain by fire bombing the right - namely going after guns? Bush fire bombed the left and look what happened to him. I predict a middle of the road presidency, and if not, a failed presidency. IF he screws up the house and senate will switch back in two years and our guns will be safe, I just can't believe he would be so stupid as to think that he would get mired in some kind of battle over guns. It would be plain stupid, and that man ain't dumb.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 11:29 PM

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I as a conservative will respect the election. Besides media bias, we must respect the outcome. Liberals will e insane if Mcain wins. The left is more vicious. Our biggest downfall is respecting when we lose.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 7:37 AM

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BobJet,
I respect your opinion on the candidate. I do not agree with you on the severity of the consequences. I have a huge problem with a one party rule. I do not want to see this happen for 1 day, let alone 2 years. The U.S. Government is based on status quo. It is more difficult to remove a law than it is to change one.
I do not agree that Mr. Obama will leave the firearms industry alone. Ammo is a soft target, lawsuits against manufacturers, and possibly re-enacting the Clinton gun ban, are only a few of the problems we may face during Obama's legislature.
I will answer your question about 8 years of the Bush presidency (and the last 6 being a Democrat controlled congress) improving my life. I was able to start a business, buy a fleet of vehicles, buy a house, get married, and take time off for hunting. I am better off than I was 8 years ago. Is that because of President Bush, or the 6 years of Democrat controlled congress, a combination of all the above, or none of the above? That question is a foriegn one to ask, it all depends on your perception and with whom you want to attribute your prosperity to. I prefer to think that I was responsible for my prosperity, not some "messianic" president.

thank you for a great thought provoking thread

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 8:43 AM

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Kudos for an excellent exposition. I do have one question, and it is not for argument sake.
I do not understand 6 years of a Democrat controlled Congress. I thought it was the 2006 election that made that possible.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 9:07 AM

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LLE,
Perhaps you are correct in your assesment of the 2006 election. I wrote this statement in the morning before I went ot work. Much like Joe the plumber, I am trying to improve my life with out handouts from the government. I will check on my accusation if I have time today.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 1:09 PM

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One party rule

I understand your concerns about one party rule, and I share them clintlebo. We have a recent example of the consequences to the party and the nation - the first two years of the Clinton Admin. They walked into the White House thinking they could do as they pleased and pissed off the Republicans SO BAD, that they shut him down those first two years, flipped the congress after those first two, and dogged him for the rest of his presidency without regard for the needs of the nation. I don't remember exactly, but didn't Bush have the same "advantage" during his first term? Same shit happened, and now we have an extreme lefty heading toward the White House - if the Electoral College allows it. Remember - our vote or "sacred franchise" only "advises" the Electoral College of the "will of the people" - for whatever that is worth to the pillars of REAL power in this nation. If Obama follows the example of the last two idiots, then he himself will have sown the seeds of his own failure. I am just so tired of this divisive "tug of war" in Washington, that ends up bleeding out into the fabric of society - it has to stop for the sake of us all. I mean really - the House and Senate might as well stop debating on the floor, and get out a rope and literally use the "tug o' war" method to govern if past is prologue. So... I hope these guys realize that doing anything less than being president of the whole nation and keeping us in the depths of the middle of the river - while minding the sandbars - is a recipe for failure. This country really needs a executive branch that will steer us wisely down the river, and not get us caught in the snags on EITHER bank. I would think these egomaniacs - and that's what you have to be to be a politician - there's a lamenting quote regarding that fact issued by one of those guys who wrote our dear documents - I would think that they would want to actually bring us together and get some good work done, leaving a legacy they can be proud of. Clinton and Bush, for their various failings, did not do that. Voting records say a lot, but generally they are playing directly to their respective constituents. Lets hope these guys and gals remember that when this all washes out and they find themselves getting their wish. It's a hell of a time in the history of this nation, and high time for some honest cooperation in it's capitol. I can only hope these politicians of ours realize that the centrist path, is really the only path to success for either party and the nation as a whole. Yippie yigh yey...

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 1:21 PM

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So, BobJet, if I understand you correctly, you are not in favor of one party ruling?
Then why in God's name are you voting for Obama? YOU are just propagating this mess further. Obama cares less about the middle class and more affluent in this nation. He has a great disdain for us.
If the middle class and affluent stop paying their taxes, this might halt this meglomaniac demogod (my word LLE). Think about your vote. Vote McCain and give this country a chance...

5 years 37 weeks ago, 1:22 PM

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Obama is a racist, he has stated that he has & will distance himself from the devil white man. I resent that very much.

5 years 37 weeks ago, 3:05 PM

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My intent was show my concerns for "one party rule". IF anyone else think I missed the mark on delivering that message, please let me know. In the wrong hands one party rule is a recipe for a virtual gridlock, if that "one party" tries to lock the other one out. If that happens we all lose, and this is not time to be on the losing side of anything here in the US. I gave clear examples of why highly partisan "one party rule" failed on both sides of the isle in the last two administrations. I live in California, and my vote will be drowning in the fast and deep waters that run through this state politically. My vote is my vote. I do not think Obama is the boggy man that will end "free" society as we know it. I see in your posts the pure hate speak that only does damage to not only this site, but all gun owners collectively. Saying that the left would vote for hitler, and then bragging about your CCW like you have now been branded a superhero, is totally fodder for the anti-gun crowd. I wouldn't be surprised if they used your hate and vitriol posted on this very site - like over 1500 posts? - against all of us. I'll bet they are all as thoughtful and reflective as the few I've had the misfortune to run across. Try not to freely toss ammo to those who would use it against all of US over here, who are trying to have an honest, sober, and coherent discussion about guns, politics, and the best way to mix the two without having it all blow up in our faces. We do this here, while you run around headless with a flame thrower, just bringing the whole discourse to a much lower level. If you think you are helping, you might want to reflect on that. You are not reaching out to anyone trying to make your case, you are using your keyboard as a machete to hack away at anyone who you view as "them". We need "them" to change their views so "we" can attempt to convince "them" that "we" can be trusted to go on unfettered by needless and contradictory gun regulations and laws. I live in California and I deal with this as I build my AK's and AR's, making sure they are legal so I don't provide the aforementioned "fodder" to those who would us it against "us" by letting them brand me as a criminal. The only way we are going to make ANY progress on these thorny issues is by educating those that you are most likely scaring off in droves if you speak in public in the manner in which you do so on this website. I encourage you to be a more positive inclusive force then negative exclusive, your audience would grow and you might have more of a chance at making any real progress toward chance than your current methodology. Does anyone else agree with me here or what?

I'm off to go pick up a couple of DCI NDS-5 Yugo style receivers from my favorite FFL here in CA. that refuses to be intimated by various entities - which does happen here. We are on the front lines of gun control in this state and someone like me doing what I do and spreading the word with respect and deference to alternative views is the a good thing for gun control nationally. Convincing your fellow countrymen that guns are not to be feared in the right hands is the ONLY way we are going to reverse the current trends. Negative hate speech does not advance that cause, it sets it back and turns people off, so they just stop listening and tune out, views hardened permanently. That is the WORST possible outcome. Can I get an AMEN here....

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 1:34 PM

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Bobjet,
I actually like it when there are battling factions in politics. It keeps the "egomaniacs" at bay and lets us pursue happiness. I am still a young man trying to live the American dream. I believe the U.S. Government is a waste of my money. It is as about as inefficient as you can get. I am doing my best to curtail the spending of the government by participating in the civic duty of voting. We know this is usually a waste of time and that our vote has a very slim chance of actually counting. The government is like celebrities in a way. It is we the people that give them power. I do not know if congress usurpted President Clintons power for the better or the worse of the nation.
Bobjet I have an even more recent examplpe of one party rule, here in Washington state. We have a Democrat executive and a Democrat controlled congress. I do not believe all Democrats are the same, nor Republicans, but I do believe the parties follow a code of "conduct". We here in Washington State went from a surplus (I can not remember off the top of my head, and I am lunch, of how much...$2 billion maybe) to a deficeit of 3.2 billion in four years because of unchecked spending. This bothers me. I do not want to have been working hard all these years just to pay for some welfare project like the education system (my little jab). I can not definitively say that the republicans or a split governing body would not have done the same thing as what happened, but I do believe it could not be worse.

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5 years 37 weeks ago, 8:10 AM

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Find out here

www.sportsmenforobama.org
www.opencongress.org
These sites should shed some light for those who believe under the O'bama administration our second ammendment is not threatened.

when they've read me my last rights one of them will be to keep and bear arms.
5 years 37 weeks ago, 8:53 AM

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I believe the NRA has done an admirable job on exposing Senator Obama's REAL beliefs on the issue of gun/ammunition control, and even whether or to what extent the States can "constrain" our rights under the Second Amendment.

www.GunBanObama.com

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 37 weeks ago, 9:12 AM

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Tracking

www.opencongress.org
you can track the actual voting of all bills introduced and see who introducud what and vote as to how you as a citizen believe our representitives should vote.
Also you can track each representatives actions.
If you want to know what is going on in DC, this is where to find it.
(A WARNING)
You will be pissed off by some of their actions, I guarentee it.

when they've read me my last rights one of them will be to keep and bear arms.
5 years 37 weeks ago, 4:35 PM

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Again I say

The Democrats would vote for Adolf Hitler if he ran on The Dem ticket.

The ideal Dem Candidate, 1/2 black, 1/2 Mexican, Lesbian and Physically Handicapped... Landslide 100% voter approval.
And yes I think the Democrats picked a Black Candidate to salve their bleeding hearts. Reparations around the corner, bro...

5 years 37 weeks ago, 4:56 PM

LLE

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When are you.....

going to implement your "final solution" for the Democrats??

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
5 years 37 weeks ago, 6:58 PM

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??

When did I say anything about a final solution? You are making things up again. Such a waste of time, asking questions, when you won't answer any.

5 years 37 weeks ago, 7:37 PM

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Hey everyone

Am I better off now than I was 8 years ago, Hell Yeah...by a long shot. I made a killing in the stock market for 6.5 years!!! If you didn't, well that's your own fault. I also got an education, while in the military (where I stayed for 26 years, to pad my retirement). The education better prepared me to find a job outside, now I am in Kuwait, supporting the troops, making good money! I am ready to buy my first house now...and holy shit, what great timimg...prices are low, low low Baby!!! I am thinking about buying two actually!!! Foreclosures everywhere!!! Now is when millionaires are made!!! I can't be more excited about the possibilities of me doubling or tripling what money I have invested now! I just bought a LOT of shares in GM for such a low price and I did it a few days before the market shot up! I initially made 26K, that's 26,000 dollars!

I think the bottom line is, the government's true call is to protect us and provide basic services and OPPORTUNITY! Like Clintlebo said, you can succeed, but it's not the government's job to give you everything...I agree with that so much! My two brothers are cops and I can't begin to tell you how many times they go into government housing/low income housing and find degenerates, no jobs, no motivation to find jobs, but X-box games, play stations, plasma televisions, nice expensives cars, yet their kids are totally neglected, etc etc...the list goes on. I just don't want to pay higher taxes...no matter what tax bracket I am in, to support that type of crap! School! Job training, etc oK...no problem!

Government has too much money! The more they get, the more they spend, the more people depend on them...this takes away our freedom. Now, under Bush spending is out of control! But the housing problem we now have can be tied directly to a lot of Dems...not saying they are totally to blame, because I don't know, but they had a lot of push behind getting everyone into a house.

SIDEBAR: THANKS for the link boxobullets!!!

Patrolman Kato
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.
They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone
under independence. -- George Washington
5 years 37 weeks ago, 11:13 PM

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good for you

cheers. wish i could say the same. unfortunately i spend all my money on guns. hopefully some day I will learn and start saving like you. unfortunately for now, i'm feeding my addiction. anyone know of a good rehab?

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
5 years 37 weeks ago, 7:43 PM

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what he said

Agreed Pkato.
A huge proponent for the stock market losing ground was Donald Trump. He had been advertising it for about 3 weeks before the whole thing started. He was very clever in his advertising. He knew that now he will double his money. How great is that? Being fiscally responsible to put yourself in the position to leverage your wealth on a deflated market. Well done Pkato...well done!

clint

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin & Hobbes)

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