The are great, I feel that I am now better prepared to protect my family from some dumbass on the street.
as I understand it here in Az we have the right to carry an exposed weapon when ever we like...
at least I do...
i DON'T THINK THEY MENT YOUR PENIS WHEN THEY MADE THAT LAW.
in virgina, we have open carry as well as ccw
You can carry in the open in Az. unless your in Tuscon I believe. Not sure if it's against the law there, I think I heard they're weird about it somehow. Would have to look that up I guess.
Open carry is legal inthe entire state except in posted areas and come the first of the year you can carry in the national parks, Grand Canyon etc.
this right was singled out and specifically protected by the 2nd amendment. How all this got so F'd up ill never understand, im no legal scholar, but i can read and it seems pretty clear to me.
I know in alabama there is no cc but there is visible carry i am looking forward to august to turn 21 so i can carry my glocks
you are mistaken about Alabama, and no CC. County Sherrifs have the authority to issue such permits. For further info, go to:
www.usacarry.com/ and use the interactive map resources
It is a State Law. I won't go into places that put their cute little NO Gun signs up. I tell the propietor or manager, why I won't come in and spend my money. I hope to God no one ever gets shot up in one of those places. Their liability is going to be sky high and rightfully so.
Anyone remeber Lubys Cafeteria, McDonalds below San Diego and the myriad other diaster sights waiting to happen. In one of our larger Malls here in Tucson, the have a 4X6" sign posted around the corner from the main entrance saying "No Guns" My CCW instructor told us about it. Weird!
Ok, thats right. The whole state is open carry, I just remeber my CCW instructor going off about Tuscon and my memory isn't always that good. I have yet to find anyplace here in the part of Az. that I live in that says no guns. Other than the usuall types of places, banks, schools, bars, etc..
just watch out for indian reservations. even just driving through reservation land... they all have their own laws and most prohibit firearms.
What are these twits thinking? Do they actually believe that a perp looking for sheep to kill will read that sign and say,
"Oh, darn! Even though this place is filled with law-abiding sheep which are easy targets, I see that this place has a rule that I can't take my fully armed and loaded butt in here, so I guess I'll just turn around and find some other place to shoot up!"
Open carry, to me, is only good to keep you from getting in trouble if you inadvertently reveal your concealed weapon. Carrying open is an amteur move that invites trouble and here is how; if I am a bad guy looking for an easy score, and I see mr tough-guy citizen with a 45 on his hip, I will still target that individual. Why? I get money and a gun. But, I can't just go up and point a gun at him and demand he hand stuff over, because of that 45 I see. Solution? walk up and shoot mr tough-guy citizen in the back of the head and take his money and gun. Now, the high-speed, low-drag, air-cooled, teflon-coated, laser-guided gun shop commandos and online rambos will say "As soon as my spidey sense alerts me to the presence of an incoming bogey, I will pivot, draw, present my weapon, hear audible lock-on tone, too close for missiles switching to guns, and execute a dynamic Mozambique drill by putting two in the chest, one in the head, come to a low ready, scan-breathe scan-breathe, determine there are no more threats, execute a tactical reload, holster, thump my chest and grab an ice-cold beer while listening to Toby Keith". Good luck with that, but the rest of us live in a real world where the bad guys do win some times. Get your license, conceal your gun, and don't tell anyone you have it. If you can't get a license, well, I peresonally refuse to allow society's laws to make me defenseless, but having an illegally concealed weapon on me was a risk I was willing to accept until i moved to this great state and got my license.
exactly how I feel
believe, but I [intuitively] agree with you, even though I respected Jeff Cooper's opinions and teachings. I do try to stay alert to my surroundings, but alas, I do not have personal radar OR Spidey sense.
What do you advocate, being attacked, and having followed the complete concealment regimen?
Texas allows us to carry in the glove compartment with out a permit.
Conceal carry has is hooks no matter what state or the law...
best to google your state carry laws and be familiar...
main 'problem' with carry permit or open carry is where you are not allowed to carry: usually places that sell booz including restaurants, grocery stores, ma-pa gas station/marts...etc...
all this results in legal likelihood your gun will be in your car 90% of your exposure...
Most states are at lease similar to New Mexico in that regard...that is, you can conceal without a permit on your own property or in your own car...but outside your car there are a lot of places your civilian conceal will not legally allow you to carry...
and don't forget: your permit supplies a paper trail to your house.
Bottom line: know your state law, learn general good info from NRA, and think a bit about your purpose or goal...
I doubt there are very many street criminals who actually want to kill their victim if they don't have to. For them, killing a mugging or robbery victim is a matter of necessity. Get rid of the witness, angry because the victim fought back, whatever. By having a concealed weapon, you are able to tip the balance back in your favor. The time it takes for us to recognize and react to a threat (Look up the OODA loop principle. I don't remember who came up with it, but it was originally used when training fighter pilots) is something we train for. Bad guys are used to being the initiating parties in a confrontation, so when a seemingly docile, cooperative victim produces a gun instead of a wallet, they has that same reactionary gap as we do. It may even be larger, as they are expecting you to remove something from a concealed location when they demand your belongings, so the movement of drawing is not going to be a big indicator to them that their world is about to go to shit. COL Cooper's color codes principle is a very good one. I subscribe to that school of thought. Of course action beats reaction, and avoidance is the best course of action when it comes to physical confrontations, but the fact is that no matter how many pairs of 5.11 pants we have, or how tough our goatee makes us look, it is all but impossible for a person to maintain the type of awareness that we should on a constant basis. Everyone has had times in public where they catch themselves "zoning", and I'm sure most people have found themselves with a few minutes' (hours') gap that they couldn't remember while driving. If you can maintain condition yellow at all times, then maybe open carry as a primary means is right for you, but for us mortals, the added bit of surprise and anonymity concealed carry affords us makes good sense.
I agree with all you have said, and consider it practical wisdom. You are certainly correct about maintaining condition Yellow. Even if I were superb at it, I still would not choose open carry for the reasons you articulated.
I want to thank you for this contribution to my health!!
I have carried a gun since the 50s and my wife took the fire arms training and is very good with her 38spl as well as my 40cal.We have worked togather to help each other to be safe, how to clear a room and when togather which side is for her eyes. We have a code word because as old folks we know that we can be targeted, home invasion etc due to the times and I know that that things will get more intense. If you have a family work togather BE ALERT BE SAFE shadow walkers nickel