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6 years 23 weeks ago, 6:22 PM

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SB1200

has anyone read up on all of this? this is absurd and will affect us in a major way. as with a lot of us here, i have a few thousand rounds of surplus ammo and this bill will make me a criminal. will it stop actual criminals, or catch them? do they think that criminals will use coded ammo to kill someone with? WTF?

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SB 1200 - This act requires the department of public safety to develop and maintain an ammunition coding system database containing certain information provided by manufacturers and vendors of firearm ammunition. The information shall only be made available to law enforcement agencies to be used in criminal investigations. The database shall be developed and operational by January 1, 2009. Manufacturers and vendors that do not provide the required information shall be subject to civil fines.

The cost of maintaining the database shall be paid from the newly created "Ammunition Coding System Database Fund". Vendors of firearm ammunition shall charge an additional one-half cent per bullet or round of ammunition and the money shall be forwarded to the state treasurer to be deposited into the fund.

Under this act, a person commits the crime of unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition if he or she sells any ammunition that has not been coded after March 1, 2009. Unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition is a Class A misdemeanor. A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition if he or she possesses ammunition that has not been coded or where the code has been rendered unreadable after January 1, 2011. Unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition is Class A misdemeanor. The term "coded ammunition" shall mean a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 6:42 PM

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yes. check out two other discussions on this topic on other threads. the more restrictions they impose, the less freedom we as a people have!

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 7:52 PM

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Yes I completely agree with Reaper that the longer we allow the "girlie men" in washington to quote Gov. Arnold, go on without challenging these bs gun and ammuntion laws the worse it will get. My opinion is they are trying to solve the problem the wrong way. People will always find ways to kill each other, weather with rocks, knives or bullets it'll happen. Politicians are just trying to do the next big thing so they can sit in the oval office.

Okay but back to the point. No it doesn't make you criminal, you just really gotta understand washington bs talk.

First this law only applies to ammunition distributors, gun stores, sporting good stores, walmart, you get the idea.

since the words aren't in there this shouldn't apply to private selling like to your buddy.

But the part about the Class A misdeamor, should only apply to ammunition produced after March 1, 2009. It's a grandfather clause, you're ammo is already "built" and "assembled" and shouldn't apply to you.

I can't promise this 100% but I'm pretty sure. If you're not sure contact the highest authority which this law falls under. Federal=ATF, State=Troopers, Local=Sheriff... you get the idea.

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 5:03 PM

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Got ahold of your state senate and tell him you want him to vote NO on this bill. Kentucky has already voted this same bill down. But, I will still keep a look out for someone to try and pass it thru again.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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what scares me is that you have to read it in the legal "language" as it will be interpreted by lawyers and LEO's. it states "A PERSON", and "HE OR SHE", not stating a "business".
"A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition if he or she possesses ammunition that has not been coded or where the code has been rendered unreadable after January 1, 2011."
it doesn't specifically state that this applies only to new production ammo.
this leaves it totally wide open to interpretation as does almost all gun laws. when it is left up to interpretation it is very scary.

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6 years 23 weeks ago, 7:07 PM

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WTF?

6 years 22 weeks ago, 9:53 PM

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Is this for real? Why is the NRA on this?

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 5:59 AM

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Freedom I get what you're saying about the law and thats what prosecution will go with, but the defense will say there isn't anything in the law about ammo already produced. Yes it's a very gray area... plus theres no way an LE would know unless your bullets were torn apart.

I think it's a little too hopeful to think this will get passed anyways. Ammo manufacters will fight it to the death cause it'll cause them to do a lot of r&d to make sure the coding isn't gonna get screwed up when fired and stuff like that.

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 12:32 PM

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there is a law for ammo already produced in this proposal...

"Unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition is Class A misdemeanor"

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 6:04 PM

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"Gee, officer, I shoot a lot of ammo and have misfires every once in a while. I am trained to Tap, Rack, Ready, apply SPORTS etc.... Someone must have picked up the misfired rounds after I left the range and used them in that horrible crime. Rounds can work after a second primer strike, you know. That is obviously how the lot on the round matches the lot that I purchased". Anyone see this happening after a murder? Kinda makes the coding crap irrelevant in court even if it does get passed. And, as I've said before, it will fall to local LEOs to enforce the law if existing ammo isn't grandfathered in.

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 8:03 AM

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So i'm sorry it looks like i pushed some buttons, sorry guys, but more or less I just refuse to believe that lobbyists would actually be able to push a law through that would make us throw away our ammo. It just doesn't even seem believable.

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 7:20 PM

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BELIEVE IT!

i didn't think that a socialist gun and constitution hater would be elected as our president either!
i heard so many people say before the election " i don't have to vote, they'll never let him win". this is exactly what happens when people sit with their hands under their asses and LET shit like this get passed.
this SB1200 isn't even an issue compaired to Obama wanting us to be prosecuted as criminals if we use a weapon in self defense.
we need to wake up and realize just how maniacal our laws are getting, and what kind of psyco demo's we have in office.
it's obvious.... THIS SHIT CAN HAPPEN....

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 8:32 AM

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How the hell do you think these stupid laws get through? If it is a popular Liberal agenda item, the Lobbyist will shove $$$$$ through to the outstretched palms of our so called "representatives"

6 years 22 weeks ago, 7:42 PM

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Runaway makes a good point, but what about someone also using that as an excuse. "oh it must have been stolen from my house, truck...." just because it is coded how can you really be held liable without physical evidence?

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 7:48 PM

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It is just a scheme to make money off of. Politicians don't do ANYTHING unless there is a piece of the action for them.

6 years 22 weeks ago, 7:55 PM

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your right sam

absolutely, i love the whole election process, oh i'll do this, i believe in this yadda yadda yadda. them some miraculous spell hits them once sworn in whatever whatever yeah so.... wait, ya mean i can make money on this????? their ears spring up like a perky lil puppy. bastards

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 6:58 PM

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okay let me rephrase, i'm not turning a blind eye like that, the way i meant it, is I don't believe it's possible that this would every get passed, because it's one thing to have guys like us just voting against it and stuff like that, but this will involve financial issues with major ammunition producers, and needless to say they have a bit more power than we do... the way i meant it was that theres enough opposition that this probably won't get through.

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 7:00 PM

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yeah... better yet i'll just shut up

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 7:14 PM

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no, you don't need to shut up. You stir up a good conversation. I can see your point. I just fear for the worst. If it gets shut down....GREAT!! There is still a chance that it will be passed though. With the stance that many ignorant people have on gun control, as with the clinton admin, we could see another brady bill, or worse. Lets just hope nothing like this comes to forition and do everything within our power to support groups like NRA and others that will atleast give us a fighting chance!

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6 years 22 weeks ago, 9:06 PM

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