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Scenario Two

I'll start a new thread for each scenario so each scenario gets its own venue and members who join in late don't get lost in the conversation.

Scenario two goes as follows:

During a nationwide economic collapse, urban centers have become battlegrounds between looters, criminals, anarchists, governmental agencies, and law enforcement. Roadways are a tangled mess of vehicles from people trying to flee the cities and towns, and roving bands of outlaws are looking for any opportunity to attack, murder, rob, and rape people trying to travel. Choose any of these reasons, or come up with whatever reason you need, but you have made the decision to bug in, to stay at home. There is an ever-present threat of looters and other criminals trying to come into homes, but so far they haven't tried to take what you have yet.

How long are you physically able to stay at your current residence and be able to sustain yourself? How much food, water, and other supplies do you actually have on hand right now? If you have a medical condition, how many days' weeks' or months' worth of prescription medication do you have right now? What do you have in terms of weapons and ammo right now? What plan do you have for securing your home and defending yourself in case of an attack by a group of eight to ten armed criminals?

Another administrative note for these scenarios; I understand this is open-source internet and anybody can join and monitor the conversation, so I am in no way asking for exact counts or plans. If you wish to keep some items or plans to yourself, as I do, then by all means do so, but be realistic with your answers and only discuss what you have in your residence right now, not what you're buying tomorrow, not what you would go get if the world went to shit, only what is actually on hand.

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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scenario 2

Not my forte but, here goes.
I'm fortified as best as I can, gates locked, windows boarded. Water is ok for a while, we keep 5 gallon jugs full from the R.O. place down the road. Food should hold for a few weeks if I can keep the freezer cold, if not, I got a lot of beef to jerk. Ammo is not a problem, just putting up with me without nicotine and beer is gonna be hell for TBH and the youngest. I can boil water from the pool if needed. The upsatairs would give the best vantage point for watching for anyone trying to come up the road or climb into the back yard so that's where I make my stand. I'll have to just keep 'em from making it up the stairwell. No real issues with medications other than allergies so no high risk trips to the wallgreens.

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 3:18 PM

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SHTF # 2..

We don't have enough "easy access" food.. we do have enough water, and all other issues.. The med thing is an important thought.. we get our (usual geezer stuff) mailed 3 mo script.. emergency meds would not be a problem .. we have a local volunteer FD that has SUPER EMS qual's much better than what should be the case with a local populace of less than 400 total, (and thats in a big area)..

I can say in all candor that we wouldn't change our security drill at all.. but yep need more life sustaining food..

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 3:31 PM

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What I have

Ammo for me is not a problem. I have 18 mags loaded for the M4, 5 mags loaded for the G34, and enough loose ammo left over to load probably 10 mags for the Beretta. I also have a decent supply of buck and slugs for the Mossberg and Remmington. I also have enough components to load up another 400 rounds of .223 and 500 more rounds of 9mm, so ammo and weapons are pretty well taken care of.

I have 10 gallons of water in bottles and jugs right now, which is way too low even for being snowed in, let alone dealing with a seige. Food consists of a bit more than most homes have in the pantry, but probably not much more than a week or so of food if I want to sustain normal caloric intake.

We don't have any chronic health issues here besides my son's allergy medication, but he uses that as needed and doesn't need it often. I have a supply of antibiotics already, as when I get a cold or ear infection, I get the prescription and don't take all the stuff. It's a good plan, because my son is allergic to pnecillan, and I just tell the docs that azrithromycin (Z-packs)
work best for me. All of my medication is consolidated and prescription bottles with names I don't remember have their purposes written on the label in pen.

I'm screwed on power. No generator, no inverters, and no spare stocks of fuel minus what's in the can for the lawnmower.

So, the things I'm doing well are weapons, ammo, and prescription drugs/medical supplies

The things I need to improve are food and water stores and a power source

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 5:13 PM

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Well...

I'm good on weapons and ammo. Between 200-1000 rounds per caliber, and components to load more of about 1/2 my guns. 2 generators, about 200 pounds of venison frozen in vacuum bags and lots of wild life. 40 gallons of gas and 20 gallons of diesel I rotate through. 6 horses with saddles and a live well with a windmill and an electric pump. No stock on medical supplies though.

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 6:46 PM

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here goes

I'm a well driller, so we got plenty of water, we have a water truck with a 3000 gallon water tank, 1-300 gallon water tank and a 250 gallon water tank, think id be set for a while on that. basement shelves are packed full of all sorts of non parishable foods, 2 generators and 5-6 gallon gas cans usually always full, and when that runs out we have a 200 gallon gas barrel, 200 gallon on road diesel barrel, and a 200 gallon off road diesel barrel all with pumps, a wood stove in the shed if its cold out and electricity fails, with enough wood to last for 2-3 years through winters. however, im lacking some firepower, and meds. as of current i have 100 rounds of 7.62x39 for my saiga, 200 rounds for my .22 rifle/.22 pistol, 220 rounds for my glock 19, and a couple of knives.... ha!

n damn you ronin, share some of that venison... please :P havnt been able to get a shot off at one damn deer this year. been either too busy or just unlucky.

ah and forgot to mention, mig tig and arc welders as well as a plasma cutter, with tons of steel plate kickin around, tons of wood, nails and screws if there werent enough steel plates to reinforce and block windows/doors

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 3:00 PM

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Well, shoot. I swore I posted a reply to this yesterday. I am having issues of late.

I don't want to go into too much detail, but if I'm in a situation that affords me to be frugal, I can maintain for a month. Like a blizzard (yeah, in Texas) or similar situation. If I was spending large chunks of time defending my family, myself, and my property, maybe a few days a best.

So, giving your details, it seems somewhere in between. I'd say about a week. But my plan has always been hole out for about that long and bug out if it lasts longer.

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 6:00 PM

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a dozen roses and a box of chocolates to Hotdiggity87s house!

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 7:08 PM

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haha

lmao... the more the merrier, bring your ammo :P

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 12:40 AM

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sorry.. not "creep'n cross the sheets".. card carying hetro.. just saw that well driller thing and couldn't help my self...

I've got my self all tickled here in AZ.. laughing "my" butt off.. If theres two expressions that are as American as coconut pie, and soccer. (I did it again.. sorry.. but that is as funny as i get, most be weather related expressions.. Anyway.. if theres two its well diggers ass, and witches tit..

You guys have to excuse the padre.. not setting a very good example, but im still laughing..

Ok.. well hot diggity.. seems you have one whole bunch of gallons of water and diesel..

i have two 3/4 diesel trucks.. (pics in photos) . i need to work on my fuel and water quantities boys.. old diggity is swimming in the stuff, and i only have full tanks of fuel..

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 10:04 PM

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I guess I really shouldn't tell you this, but just bagged deer #6 today. An 8 point buck. I have MLDP tags, so am able to legally shoot 17 deer this year. :)

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 11:33 PM

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Nebraska needs to pass out the Multi Deer tags. They have so many running around now you can not drive 2 miles without seeing whats left of one that tried to play Dodge Pete (as in Peterbuilt) and lost. Loads of people hitting them, day and night.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 35 weeks ago, 12:15 PM

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No offense, Ronin

but you're a dick. I've seen 8 bucks this year and haven't got a shot on one.

This weekend was especially sucktastic. I got to the cabin about 9PM Friday night. It was already colder than Hillary Clinton's heart, and I could see my breath in the cabin. So, I lit the wood stove up to warm things up. After get my shit put away and having a late dinner, I was getting ready to go to sleep and get up early to get that 12 point I've been hearing about.

About sometime after 11PM, a downdraft caused the stove to bellow smoke in the cabin. It was thick. My eyes were stinging, I was choking, and I couldn't hardly see. I got the cabin doors opened up and started running the AC window units (fan only, of course) and some box fans to clear it out. I got it mostly cleared and got the flu set up to stop doing this. Now the cabin was cold again.

I finally got to sleep about 1AM and woke up at 5AM to get going. I took my buddy's ATV to ride out to my area. About a mile out, the ATV broke down. I'm about 1/2 mile from my stand, so I can walk to it and start hunting, but then I'd have to walk 1 1/2 miles back to camp to get the other ATV. So, I start hiking back to camp. I get there, and my feet and calfs are aching because I was hoofing back. Get the ATV and ride back to my area, park about 250yds from my stand and walk in.

Thank goodness I got up early, because it was still before sunrise at this point. Well, I didn't see shit the whole time, and I noticed I never heard my feeder throw. About 10AM, I use the binocs to check out the area and notice there's nothing on the ground and doesn't look like there has in a while. So, I give up and pack it up.
I look at my feeder and it looks empty, so I bang on the side and can tell it's a little than less half full. Some grains come out. I find a little steel cable on the ground and I fish it up the funnel. Then I realize that someone has added protein in my feeder. This stuff always clogs the shit up. I spent about an hour and a half unclogging it.

Then I head back to camp. I stop at the broke-down 4 wheeler and hitch towing straps to it and bring it back to camp. That was fun. (Sarcasm)

I could go on, but this is getting long already (that's what she said, :) ), but I'll just finish with the whole trip ended with the damn key breaking off in the cabin door.

Oh, and then I got to come home and watch the Cowboys get my hopes up only to kick me in the balls, once again.

But I'm not bitter.

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Hamp, karma

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I hear that,

sometimes I think that if it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all.

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plenty to eat and plenty of tags only had to hit the ditch and through two fence lines to get the last 5x5, hope insurance will cover that one! water at the local high school what a bunch of push overs and they have generators and fuel what a plus! ammo 2000 rounds for each should get me started, you guess! untill backups come heard they had hot hard wood wonder if there AK's or knock offs!

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 11:22 AM

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greg az and ronin

greg az, yeah when we find cheap fuel we snag it immediately. fill em up haha. however i don't recommend swimming in the stuff, makes ya loopy after a while. -twitch- lol

ronin, congrats on the 6th, and may luck bring you more before hunting season is over. I'll trade you some water for some venison if SHTF. haha, I feel if all of us came together in a SHTF scenario... we'd be set for life, however, there better be women involved, I'm not sure how long i'd stay sane in a sausage fest

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actually we do have a neighbor wtih two 55 gal drums of diesel fuel he stores and uses for the local ranch.. as thiers only three of us, im pretty sure he would share, trade situation..

kidding about swimming in it of course, but Runs deal when he started this was to create a thought pattern about the subject..

It worked.. i don't have enough food or fuel.. im thinking bartering some of my old weapons is going to go a long way in providing services i need, and provisions i don't have..

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Hey guys

My folks think I am nuts, but I started getting my area ready for zombies good on ammo stocking up on food, water, fuel so on. My biggest problem is convincing my family I'm not nuts or at least any more than I am now. Thinking of buying some those plastic 55gal drums to store my gear and supplies in any suggestions I don't have a basement

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Nothing wrong with stocking up just do not over do it :>) start small remember how long your food (cans,dry goods,etc) will last,then is it safe for your fuel? Water should not go bad. Not sure if bottle water ids batter then getting the 20 gal water? Great luck let us know how it goes..................................................TY

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 3:50 PM

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I'm not much of a "sky is falling, sky is falling sort.. We all know the media likes to "hype" the sittuation. but the current EU sittuation COULD lead to an economic diaster..

The whole geo political mess of the Iranian nuke.. middle east "spring" allowing the muslim brotherhood to reach power, and indanger Israel.. the N Korean, conflict..

This is all combined with Russia and China using them (fore mentioned BG's) as thier R&D .

China provedfd a few years ago that they could shoot down a sattelite.. That was huge.. They now have more of a space program than we do.. Sad but true.. bottom line is all of that is shared for the oil they need to continue to grow.. that gene is out of the bottle..

We can't let Iran have the bomb.. Not sure they don't already, as we were way off on N korea..

Just saying with out historonics..(i'll come back and edit after i get sp check back up...lolM) that this could all be something more than a hypothetical (sheesh) excercise..

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2 years 36 weeks ago, 7:32 PM

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In a critical state

Greg, yeah, all BS aside.

I honestly think that people should never ever let the thought that the day after tomorrow could be the first day of their life on a high speed Luge to a Third World experience that possibly might not see any recovery beyond Global War. I say Global War because World War seems to cover a number of countries against a specific movement. I do not think that when things fall apart on a Global Scale it will be anything less than a free for all.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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Its crazy to just sit back and look at the panorama of the current state of the world. How could people let it get like this? How can Americans STILL sit back and let this country fall down? Has liberalism truely taken over the US and made politically correctness become the normal, and the blunt open and honest become the weird and incorrect thing? We need to bring back God to our nation to even have a glimpse of hope to recovery, because with all that has already happened and not to mention whats in the works and already starting now. Basically China is preparing to attack us HERE. A new axis power will form, probably with the help of the middle east. We need to seriously find a way to halt this degradation of our economy and infrastructure to even have a chance of holding down the US and keeping our flag flying. With this new bill, all the true Americans are able to become enemies of the state by our awesome congress. Really cant trust anybody anymore, I for one will hold my ground for as long as possible.

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liberals. When a system is put in place which allows people to be paid tax-payer money and not have to work for it the authorities that wrote the checks are assured power forever.

I see the OWS slime and union zombies as the trench fighters we'll be facing someday, the police and Army will "have their back".

Kinda depressing, think I'll go get drunk LOL !

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 9:24 PM

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I got out to go hunting at 5:00 AM this Sunday... ( never understood why people go out this early), and left with the group to get in position. I stopped about 500 yards from where I wanted to be, set my phone to go off at about 6:45 and went to sleep. Woke up and crept into position, crawled under a tree and waited. At about 7:15 a mid-sized doe walked up and I continued to watch. After about 30 minutes figured nothing else was going to show. Stood up and walked out. Stopped about 100 yards from where I was and lit a smoke.... And out walked 3 buck. All 4 deer were within 200 yards. :)

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this post reads like

the typical gunslot ADD.oh well,scenario 2 i am screwed,not enough water,fuel,food,or flowers to make things work out.I will soon be a marauding band of one,or in charge of a horde preying upon the weakest first...wait that would be other ill prepared people that have little or nothing... damn...i'm screwed.

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and in third grade I learned to write in cursive.
I still don't know why.

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i learned to curse,no shit.

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I was 5, no kindergarten back then so I aint in school. She's getting my two older sisters and older brother ready and fixing breakfast before the bus comes to pick them up. I stroll into the kitchen and climb up into my chair. I say "I want my breakfast". Too much activity and commotion I suppose. A short time later I say (somewhat louder) "I want my breakfast!". The next thing out of my mouth was "GOD damn it! I want my breakfast!!". Apparently I got fed and Dad got a lot of questions.

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 12:55 AM

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guess i was about 3-4.. folks said it was the first time i could be clearly understood..

Babtist church in Peoria ILL.. The whole congragation is standing up singing a hym..

i grew up with this story, they all swear its not embellished.. I sang this out clear as a bell..

WHAT WILL YOU HAVE PABTS BLUE RIBBON..WHAT WILL YOU HAVE PABTS BLUE RIBBON.

guess this is a 100% fact.. and yep there was some serious laughing going on...

ok NO more hijack.. just carrying on a "family tradition"

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Scenario 2

I guess the real question is " how much is enough?" . Say you have 400 gallons of fuel, and??? How long will that last you? If you have a year of food??? I plan on eating more than just 1 year. How long should you prepare for? This is a real question, what would you consider a good base line length of time? Eventually we are gonna have to make for ourselves. Any suggestions?

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I was standing in the front seat and my mother was pulling into my uncles driveway and a Semi Logging Truck full loaded came barreling around the corner so my mother stopmed on the gas and then on the brakes once we cleared the road. As I shot forwards I shouted "Fuck Momma!"

When she asked me what did I say my cousin popped over the back seat and said " He said Fuck Momma, he did he said it he said Fu "I know what he said now sit down and shut up!"

My dad and uncle got their ears bent over that one...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 35 weeks ago, 8:37 PM

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ronin, my suggestion

http://www.gunslot.com/forum/what-type-shtf-scenario-are-you-planning

This is my take on the various SHTF scenarios. I have altered things a bit to where I have six different categories, but I'm working on a book that will cover most of the things in my fucked up head as far as preparation goes. My thought is that you use basically a risk assessment matrix like in the army. You look at various events and compare their potential for damage to you with the probability of their occurrence

While it is true that a zombie apocalypse would pretty well mean the end of all infrastructure and require castle-like fortifications and enoug stockpile to sustain you for life, it is also extremely unlikely. On the opposite end of the spectrum, a flat tire on the way to work is not likely to result in the total downfall of human civilization, but is almost guaranteed at some point in life.

My philosophy is to figure out what type of events are fairly likely and can result in death or injury to my family, and prepare for that. My target goal right now is to have the capability to survive three weeks of winter with no power in my home. That will require a generator with suitable fuel, food, water, ammunition for hunting, and a defense plan against basic, unorganized looters, which includes less-lethal capabilities, because I'd rather not kill a guy whose only crime is being unprepared and is trying to find food for his family, but I want to be able to in case the OC doesn't cut it or he comes in like a hardass.

Three weeks is a long time to prepare for and the fact is that I will most likely be able to bug out to a location that has power, like relatives or even move on post, but if I am prepared for three weeks of complete self sufficiency, I will be prepared for a couple days.

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 8:44 PM

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guns and ammo would be first I would think. you can kill food and find water, make shelter to an extent. Really also depends on your geological location. I dont need to worry about snow here in FL, and I could also go fishing everyday and catch food for ever. There are tons of swamps and woods that would be possible to go live in, make some sort of wood cabin or something. I would think that the knowledge to live off the land would be the actual life savor. Thats what Im interested in. It takes money to save up supplies and what not, and I dont have that, but Im not worried because money wont save people when SHTF.

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Built ford tough...

I do agree that the ability to live off the land is crucial. I guess I'm pretty lucky and well trained in that event. I'm also working on converting my place to solar and geothermal energy. I'll still have power coming in, but won't be dependent on it. I also have more than enough livestock to survive if it gets really bad( one of my horses has seriously pissed me off). I think my biggest concern is the medical aspect, with the decline of the infra-structure, a relatively minor medical issue can become life threatening very quickly. I'm looking into good medical kits that I can add to as nessicary.

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 9:12 PM

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Maybe I'll go ahead and have my appendix removed......... Just in case. :)

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Good call, may not be a bad idea. And maybe the tonsils too.

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2 years 35 weeks ago, 8:26 AM

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This post ...

This post has got me thinking. I was discussing it with the better half, and she agrees. We are working on setting up a 1000 gallon reserve tank for water, stocking up on more fuel, and looking into better plans with food storage.

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