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3 years 42 weeks ago, 6:51 AM

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What are some good scope's for 1000 yards as I really thinking of getting the AR15 308 will have no upper handle weaver picket rail buddy was telling to look at 5x scope's but how much is to much? Plus what about hand gun's throw in to 20 cents lol.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 9:01 AM

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depends on what you want to spend... look into nightforce, U.S optics, and leupold. you'll want a lot more than 5x if you're planing on doing anything more than just hitting a target at 1000yds.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 9:58 AM

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Nightforce does not make a production scope WITHOUT illuminated reticles. If you are planning to use the AR for hunting, you need to check your game regulations to make sure illuminated reticles are legal. I hunt in colorado, the use of an illuminated reticle is illegal. Reaper is correct, 1000 yards is a long ways out there. I look to value over cost when it comes to most things. Scopes are the only thing that will allow you the sight picture you require for shooting distance. Why would you not have the clearest glass? If you can not see the target, your chances of hitting the target drop astronomically.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:10 PM

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What part of colorado you hunt in? I like to move out there to the west of the state? ty

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 7:15 PM

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we hunt to the north east of Meeker just off of Yellow Jacket pass. My camp is closer to Craig, but there is private property between us and the highway, so we take the 4 hour dirt road...

I have heard good thing about piceance creek. But you might see more deer and antelope out there.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 10:59 AM

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I don't do much hunting. Does Fish and game really come check your reticle? I figured they would just check permits/tags and ammo. How common is it for states to not allow illuminated reticles?

BTW... since you corrected me earlier... Nightforce does offer non-illuminated reticles. asshole

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 11:19 AM

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When did they start production of non-illuminated reticles. The rep at SHOT told me they made non-illuminated reticles only for 1 guy that has a tv show because of the hunting restrictions. He could not sell me a non-illuminated reticled scope. I would have to get permission from the hunting show to use their product. If they do sell, I would like to know because I would love to do a comparison against Leupold. I just checked their website and the information was inconclusive. Let me know please.

The game warden i spoke to about the illuminated reticle explained it to me this way.

there is battery power on the gun, it is illegal. Does not matter if there is power going to the devices, i.e. a battery in the device. If they suspect powered rifles, they will check.

These guys are on the front of hunting technology, so my guess is they know as much as we do and know what to look for. I would not chance it.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 11:28 AM

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so does an ACOG with a non-battery powered illuminated reticle count?

Personally, I've only seen (and am only interested in) nightforce's illuminated reticles. However, you can purchase non-illuminated versions of certain reticles. I'm not sure if they're in "production" or just produced a limited number or what.

Without doing a lot of research...Click on the link below. The site is kind of jenky and it appears that the product is out of stock (because there is no price). right above "add to cart" you have the option to choose the illuminated reticle or the non-illuminated reticle.

http://www.allnightforce.com/product_p/velocity-reticle.htm

Honestly, I just did a quick search after reading your comment because I remember a discussion about their non-illuminated reticles somewhere else.... and I wanted to call you an asshole again. This was the first thing that I came across. I have never seen one. I will look into it in a bit.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 12:00 PM

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Any ambient light scopes or the radiological scopes are okay. The main reason I think they made powered guns illegal was the laser range finders on the scopes, including BORS, HORUS and the like.
I spoke to Craig from nightforce about the reticle. he told me that they only sell illuminated (battery powered) reticles. The other place I mentioned is called Gunworks. They sell what is called a G7. It is the NSX series in a 5.5-22X50 non illuminated.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 12:05 PM

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Here is the website of the non illuminated NightForce scope: http://www.gseven.com/products/G7-Scope

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 12:19 PM

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meow i'm confused... does NF supply the tubes to gseven? meow

Is that site I pasted the link to above selling the G7? They show the NF NSX 5.5-22x50 with a few different reticles that don't appear to be illuminated.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:17 PM

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Illuminated reticles

It looks like clint has more slap and scratch marks on him than reaper does. I score this round Reaper 180 pts.Clint 155 points.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:30 PM

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Reaper,
According to Craig from NightForce, the only non illuminated reticle from NightForce is the G7. The way I understood it was that GSeven is a franchise (for lack of a better term) that is registered with NightForce to sell NightForce scopes with out an illuminated reticle. Craig believes GSeven requested this so they can market the scope in all 50 states for hunting.

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please remember I am piecing together conjecture for the answers. Everyone I have spoken to at NightForce has been extremely friendly, professional, and extremely knowledgable.

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3 years 42 weeks ago, 3:36 PM

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Look for a variable power with 6.5 to 18 power magnification. Beware of variable power optics where the higher power is more than 3X higher than the low end, these are known to shift point of aim. 18X is plenty strong enough to let you know just how much you are wiggling. (A humbling experience) When sigting in, do so at maximum magnification. Any off center settings made on lower power will be magnified as range increases. I hope this helps tallguy.

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3 years 41 weeks ago, 5:22 AM

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I'm planning on setting up a .308 AR as a precision rifle, although that wouldn't be my first choice for 1000 yd shooting. My optic of choice is going to be a scope from Leupold, probably one of the Mark AR series or a MK 3 or MK 4. They're a bit pricey, but Leupold "tactical" scopes are used all over the military and while that's not necessarily a big deal (think lowest bidder when thinking "used by the military"), Leupold scopes have been used on M24 rifles all over the world for years and I've never heard anything bad about them.

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