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2 years 27 weeks ago, 11:58 AM

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In Search of Pistol

I am having some trouble in finding a pistol that I really like. I am looking for a good pistol that is accurate with the desire to compete in match competitions in the future. I bought a S&W M&P 9mm and it was nice except for i kept havin issues with the only safety being on the actual trigger. I sold it and bought a Beretta 92a1. Given it is durable and would last a really long time but it is not in the least bit accurate enough. I am goin to sell the Beretta and but a new one. I have narrowed down to some a few pistols but not sure. A couple that interest me most are the Glock 17 & the Springfield xD. I have shot the Glock 17 and can put a grouping inside a 7" circle at about 25 yards the first time i shot one at a range, but i have not shot a sprinfield. The Springfield interests me most because it is light and is has several nice safety features. If you can help it would be much appreciated with any information about accuracy, malfunctions, quality opinions, or any suggestions for other great and affordable pistols. Thanks so much.

2 years 27 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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Good Morning Dragonov,

I used a 1911A1, a S&W 19 and a Ruger Mk2. They did the job FOR ME BUT... I would suggest you visit with folks at the range who shoot competition and find out what the majority use then try them for yourself. Maybe a range rat will let you try theirs.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 12:23 PM

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Personally Id go with the glock. I dont like the way the sprinfields feel in my hands...I love my glock....got the 23

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 7:05 PM

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Builtf0rdtough wrote:
Personally Id go with the glock. I dont like the way the sprinfields feel in my hands...I love my glock....got the 23

I'm the exact opposite, I hate the way the glock feels, but loved my Springfield xd's. To each their own...

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 12:33 PM

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based on your requirements, I would recommend trying a Glock 34. You'll just have to get used to no manual safety. They do make M&P's with a manual safety if that’s what you want.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 12:49 PM

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Ditto Glock

I see a good mixture of different firearms at the matches. Glock is definitly the most common in the production gun group, with a strong showing in the Open Class and Limited Class also.

Double Stack 1911's, XD's getting more common and the M&P is gaining ground with the Apex Kit installed.

But IDPA and IPSC seems to be allot of Glocks, the KISS system works and people like that.

GSSF match at WAC on the 7th Woohoo...

Thinking about actually going to it and shooting a G34 in it. I don't have much luck with Glocks though, always shoot left with them. Hoping the Gen 4 will help correct that with the grip changes.

Cliff's shooting it, either way, I'll be there and taking photos..

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 27 weeks ago, 1:03 PM

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very good competition gun for sure,practice,practice,practice.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 1:12 PM

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yeah, shooting it at tonights match on the second round at least. I need to run my 75b on one of the runs, put in a new trigger bar, sear and disconnect which I stoned and fit. It is just over 1 pound on single action with just over 1/16th reset. I hope it doesn't go burp! lol

Nah, it should be find. I'll see if I can scrounge up the battery for my camcorder and charge it to take to the range.

Felix has a Mercury recoil buffering guide rod and some other stuff he is telling me I can use to build a Glock with. Considering it more and more just need to get everything in one sock first.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 27 weeks ago, 2:47 PM

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Damn,

they's a whole boat load of Glock fanboys here. My preference is the 1911 or a Sig. But I would suggest going to a range that rents some you're interested in and trying them on.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 8:04 PM

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1911, don't diss' the

Glock.......after all they are the messiah, joking! I don't own one but I am sure that they are fine weapons, hell just about every jurisdiction has them as duty weapons, they gotta be doing something right.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 7:09 PM

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Tell me about it! Where have the glockophiles been -a-hidin'. Hard to beat an old fashioned 1911. I will be the first to admit that they are not perfect pistols, but easy to work on, accurate, and much better out of the box than most give credit for.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 7:51 PM

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such as that.
What ever became of ebear, did he get a job at the local animal shelter?

I'm obviously a bigtime 1911 fan. They fit my hand, they are accurate and in the .45 flavor they hit HARD :<)

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Great guy.. tells me he's "pretty" much done with animals .. thinking now about the plant kingdom maybe... Don't know but i can't ya see our buddy cosing up to a philodendron..

Ok my friends.. Have a movie (done with soaps lol) to watch..later all..

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Pard.. man i gota spend some time looking at your videos.. hearing (sorta) some good stuff..

daisy... bed time.. don't forget to take out both trash, and teeth... sheesh out of here before i start doing stand up, and the room gets empty.. night all..

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that'll keep me out of trouble ! G'nite

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 8:11 PM

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I be a fanatic and I will leave it at that.

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he wants a competition pistol!

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and he don't like the safety "thing" on the trigger.

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hahaha

ok

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practice,practice,practice!

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check that check

abso-friggin-lutely

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Why is a trigger safety such a bad thing? Is it because if you are shooting comp. you can't have your finger on the trigger right out of the holster without possibly shooting yourself? I never shot competition so I don't know.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 10:16 PM

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Your finger is only in the trigger guard when shooting, when transitioning you remove it, while reloading you remove it.

Trigger Safety, or Safe Action Trigger is a none issue really. It doesn't stop anyone from shooting themselves or others by accident if they do not make use of the Finger Safety.

If you have a Double/Single, you are supposed to start in Double Action. If you have a Single Action you start Cocked and Locked. If you have a Safe Action trigger, eh, you start just as if you have a DOA.

DOZ has no safety, because, well it's DOA like the DOA Revolver.

Safe Action has the lever in the center of the actual trigger which must be depressed in order for the trigger to move the trigger bar dropping the sear or releasing the striker for the weapon to actually fire.

None is any better than the other, it's just what you prefer and feel works best for you.

There were actually a few self inflicted wounds when Po-Po changed from the Revolver to the Glock because of Officers not clearing their finger from the trigger guard when stuffing their weapon back into their holster.

People still do it...

As far a a 92a1 not being accurate... umm, how to put it... There is hardly a modern name brand pistol on the market today that will not out shoot any person who is shooting it.

If it wasn't shooting well, it wasn't the firearm.

There is a trigger tuning kit for the Beretta which will lighten the Trigger weight to a more useful pull for competition. It would be much cheaper than buying a new firearm.

If your looking for a pistol designed for a natural point of aim, I like CZ's and Tanfoglio's (which are nothing more than CZ pistols made by an Italian Manufacture under license from CZ made in by a Czechs Company who designed the Firearm.

The thing is, if your going to shoot competition, you have to find the pistol that feels right for you.

Look as see if there is a Shooting Range that rents various firearms. Decide upon what Caliber you want to shoot, rent the firearms and shoot until you figure out which you feel more comfortable with. Then make your decision and once you have it, practice with it. not jsut shooting, but dry firing, doing vanilla mag changes, transitions and so forth.

People love XD(m) pistols, frankly for me they suck kibble. The HS2000 and the XD I liked just fine though the trigger was pretty crappy even on those, you could get to where you could live with it.

I own a Sig 226R Elite C/T with a trigger job and action job and I love how it shoots, but the trigger is still nothing more than a trigger I have learned to live with. It is not anywhere near the same as the triggers on my CZ's or the ones I build. Even those are not anywhere near a 1911 trigger that has been tuned correctly.

For me, the CZ is the perfect mix, of personal perfection in natural pointing ( the pistol just falls into a dead level plane extending out from my hand. The grip fills my hand perfectly and the fact that they decided to put a thumb safety in a pretty silly place so that you pretty much have to use it as a ledge to rest your thumb on top of is something I can put up with. Most people run into an issue where the thumb actually engages the safety when using a conventional grip on a CZ, it is the one complaint that I hear the most.

I know, blah blah blah... heh

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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as I thought, safety configuration really makes no difference as long as the weapon fits your needs, fits your hand, trigger pull, balance, etc.

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2 years 27 weeks ago, 11:14 PM

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Hamp , yeppers

If I had hands a little larger than I do, Glocks would fit perfectly for me. The right front edge of the grip hits in the middle of my fingers between the joints so I have to either turn my hand in or out which throws my shots left or right.

The XD(m) compounds it as an issue for me because of the aggressive nature of the grip, on those my fingers are thin enough that they actually press in between the notches enough that it separates my fingers weakening my grip and it's hit or miss where the round will hit in a 4 inch area unless I am squeezing it like Dolly Partons, ah... heh... Knee...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 27 weeks ago, 1:46 AM

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Our agency had used revolvers (Smith K's and Rugger's) Only change was from 357 to 38+P, that was related to litigation issues.. We transitioned to Glocks in the mid 90's.. this was done as a staff retention deal... young staff were appalled that they we were the only agency still using revolvers.. So the deal was done.. If you remember at that time Glock was actively pursuing all LE / DOC agencies, and they had their marketing act together..

Worked in our "big apple" of Florece AZ at the time.. All sups had to be instructors as well, and i went to the range on a regular basis.. we had a total of three self inflicted wounds.. this was done prior to the transition, and for awhile it looked like it might hold up the states deal..Glock sent in a pro, and resolved the issue..

That being said, in the frame work of corrections.. where a piece is not a normal issue weapon, the average is maybe one issue a week, for perimeter patrols, inmate escorts, etc. it didn't really make since.. and of course the Q was a mess..Range masters went from being "firm" and failing all the non shooters..(larger percentage than other agencies) to "helping" the staff Q.

As you can imagine this didn't instill confidence in anyone.. Only thing good about it was at the same time we became peace officer Q'd and the professionalism of the agency went up.. For the first time we had shoot no shoot (early FATS before) training, and while more difficult most problems were eventually resolved..

Still question the wisdom, and at the point i left major issues were yet to be resolved, as in what condition the weapon was carried in..staff would relieve, count rounds (policy) but a big deal when a low proficiency staff would relieve a staff carrying condition one.. I lobbied unsuccessfully in my last year to have a mandated (didn't care which) condition that all would be carried in.. Glocks work.. period.. i have never been as comfortable with an internal hammer as external.. don't know why some don't get excited about Glocks (im one of these) I can tell you that our FTF, and FTE were almost nonexistent.. taught tap rack, but never used it..

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 12:29 AM

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Though it is mostly civilians doing it.

Had a guy with a Ed Brown talking with his wife in the lane beside his lean around with his finger on the trigger and he was extremely lucky that day. He put a 3 inch dent in the floor and a 1 inch hole in the ceiling tile between him and his wife. She jumped when his pistol went off and she blew a big hole in the Plexiglas divider extension that sticks out on each barrier between lanes, bullet hit the side wall. the back stop and pieces of it pelted people about 5 lanes over and further down.

They haven't shown up again since..

Public Rangers can be kind of scary at times. Then people get pissy when I tell them I will not tell them a second time about keeping their firearm pointed down range and in their booth.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
2 years 26 weeks ago, 12:49 AM

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I read that three times and it got worse each time.. What did you do.. Obviously shut down the range for a while.. but did you send them packing.. any concerns about liability on those that were "pelted".. I used an indoor down in Tucson (sam is the shootist still on 29th) and one up in Prescott.. Some concerns in Prescott, but NOTHING like what you had.. Were they contrite. I can see a lot of emotion on this one..

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2 years 26 weeks ago, 8:32 AM

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Wasn't that bad

no one hurt and lessons learned.

We're luck as almost all of the people who shoot on the range are long time shooter. So they were pissed for sure, shocked without a doubt but not overly reactive.

The guy with the A/D was actually a Michigan State Trooper Firearms Instructor (retired) who ran his mouth for months about gun safety and was getting into peoples stuff so often he had to be told "If you want to play RO on a range, move back home, Otherwise, come shoot and enjoy yourself and leave RO'ing to the RO's.

This guy has a Gun case with stickers all over it and a jacket with patches all over it "Senior Training Officer" and other such stuff. Couple from Quantico, military stuff. Whole attitude to go with them all.

His wife was embarrassed as you can imagine. He actually was apologetic and embarrassed also.

He spent all his time practicing at what he thought it meant to be a Man, instead of figuring it out and just being a Man. Sad really...

Those types don't last long in a place where men spend time is something I've picked up on over the years. Not that anyone pushes them out, but they eventually prove themselves out to be a sad, faded representation of what they attempt to project.

No, we didn't go cold for more than 5 minutes to sort everything out. As I mentioned, allot of long time shooters and some newer ones that played around in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All the regulars are either Military, Veterans, Police or Retired Police for the most part. There is not any restriction on shooting over all. "Keep it in the booth and pointed down range" is the main one. No center fire Rifle other than official classes using frangible 223 and Shotgun in a closed class.

Once you've proven your safe you can draw from concealment and engage on the line.

Actually the most scary people I have seen with firearms are the Armed Security Guards that come in for training and Re/Qualifications. Too many of the younger ones think they are going to be in SOG or something. They all want to think they know everything and because they have played games they are tactically minded.

I'll never forget the guy who came in for Shotgun instruction. I ran him through the basics and explained to him and the others about getting a good seat seat with the butt into the shoulder being key to controlling recoil, aiming and follow up shots staying on or coming back onto target faster.

This big kid (about 25) ignores me almost the whole time and actually is cutting up enough that I called him out on it. So he gets up on the line, up's with the Remington 870 Police Tactical, jacks that Slug into the chamber and squeezes off the shot with the butt about 1 inch away from his shoulder.

I guess he was attempting to prove me wrong? He did miserably at it if so...

He now is a regular, is shooting allot better and still working on leaving the childish baggage behind. He is turning 30 soon and acts 20 most times, now and then he slips up and acts 13 all over again. Follows me and a few of the others around like a little brother, we pull him aside at times like a little brother too. I've even considered telling him to go sit in the office in time out at times.. LOL

He now is working for Homeland Security guarding Federal Buildings, rotating around different builds in the Tampa Bay Area. Have to admit, $25.00 an hour to stand around isn't too bad, so anyone thinking about something to make some money. Armed Security can be a good game if you can get an in.

His boss is trying to get me to get my Class K and take over the requals and quals but I see how much work that is so not too sure that $150.00 - $175.00 a person is worth it. Jim hardly has any time at all that he is not working when awake.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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Glock..

I'm not a glock guy, which I'm sure most of you know, but I will say this.... I have shot different models on different occasions, and have numerous friends who shot them. I have never had one jam on me, and have only heard of a jam on a glock once by someone I knew. On the occasion of the glock that jammed, it was pretty much an attempt to test to destruction that did it. It was a gen 1, no lube, hadn't been cleaned in at least 10 years, and was fired every day. The guy who owned it was a CCL instructor and had his own range. I may not like glock, but I will never say they are a bad gun.

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This was produced by Glock for LE agencies that they were marketing to.. I've always felt they showed brilliance in this dept..there "mass" introduction to the American public was thru its Police depts..

Pretty wise move.. You can ask a gun enthusiast in the country what their local agencies carry as primary handgun and a safe bet they know..

There are actually two videos, One was a marketing one for LE's Dept heads and procurement agencies, the other for staff.. We saw this in 94-95 ..It was dated then, looked like it was filmed in the eighties maybe, obviously filmed in Europe and narrated in English..

Started with a tour of the factory, and then a breakdown of the pistol.. All safety systems explained. I can tell you everyone in the room wanted one at the end of the hour.. Course if we would have been sitting thru an hour presentation on the "kitchen magician" we all would have wanted that to.. Remember being convnced it was great.. never wanted to own one tho..

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1911s for me, thank you. Followed closely by CZ75 or Browning Hi Power. I have a S&W M&P and a Glock, both good quality guns, but plastic frames feel top heavy to me and I don't care for DAO triggers. Once you get used to a really good 1911 trigger it's hard to be happy with anything else.

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1911's for sure

I can't 'carry it' too God damn bulky and it would be the longest thing in my pants...LOL! But it shoots straight and true, mine is one of the Taurus 'jobs' with an impressive list of mod's from the factory, for the money, you just can't beat it

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I WANT A 1911 so bad. I was looking at the sig 1911 the other day...SO BEAUTIFUL. Would likea colt to, just to have the original. Love the oldies, especially the old cattle guns. lever action rifles....mmmm just milked my pants!! gotta go clean up now.

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here is my contribution, my Grandfathers Winchester model 1892, chambered in 38/40. MFG'd in 1911, damn fine gun...(click to enlarge)

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Beautiful, Hamp. I'm jealous. Love the saddle ring.

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Thanks DC, it's

the best gun I own, the last time it was shot was the early '80's by me, took it down to a creek in Spring TX and blasted away, I just can't bring myself to shoot it anymore, I have plenty of stuff that ain't worth what I think this gun is (sentimental value of course), It's a good shooter, I ought to take it out!

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Over all the years I owned the International Harvester M1 I did not fire it, no sentimental attachment. It was/is worth $$ and I have $100 and a few odd bucks guns to bang away with.
I gave the M1, my Remington 870, a Loewe Mauser 7.65 and my Colt King Cobra to my son. I hope he does the right thing (worry).

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Daisy.. i sorta wanted that king Cobra.. But no you've always loved him more.. Don't ask me to push that wheelchair pop's..

I've done the same thing.. two son-n-laws.. given both of them weapons.. That pic i posted of the case of mil spec .22 ammo.. one each for Christmas inside a 7.62 ammo can..

was the king in 4 or 6 inch..

Hamp.. seen pictures of the Winchester before, but for some reason didn't know it was a saddle ring carbine.. it is beautiful..

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creamed their jeans looking at it. My g/f at the time thought it was "sexy", to her everything was related to sex. Dang I miss her
Oh yes, back to the gun LOL ! I really enjoyed shooting it, much more than the S&W.

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Tommy just picked one up and is thinking about turning it. Not sure what he will want for it but it is Stainless with the Blond Wood Grips.

He got it for a song so i don't think it will be that much.

Tommys is a 6 inch... dunno if all were that or not

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houses took turns being vacant, our boy seperated headed for divorce and 10 minutes ago I ordered new shock absorbers for my ride, $119.00 ea. I'll get caught up...someday :<)
I did like the heft of the Colt but the S&W action was smoother, a 1955 Smith vs a 1990s Colt. I could have taken the Colt to a G-smith but not worth the trouble for no more gain than I'd get from it.

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What the hell do you drive? A late model Tahoe or such with Z55 auto ride? I could deliver them to 'ya for that kind of coin....LOL

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Ranchero 9000's yehaw

I threw those on all four corners with the Suburban.

Need to put new shoes on it all the way around now though... Damn thing pushes through the corners and city driving eats them up pretty fast.

Wife keeps telling me to get rid of it and get another car but she isn't up on me finding another Mopar at the prices they go for so....

(Mopar is not what wears the Dodge and Plymouth tags these days. 64 - 74 is it for those)

I'd like to find a 340 Duster or 360 Demon...

Have had the 1969 and 1970 RoadRunners, 1968 and 1970 Superbees... Small Block would be next.

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A older brother ha done and remember him spending a lot of $$$ on the carb it went fast sounded great look great,BUT as a dum A@@ he is he left it to a buddy to hold on to as we moved and the guy took off with it never came back.......................TY

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Chrysler hasn't made a good car since '73....LOL I had a '72 Demon 340 six pack, it was an odd car. The original owner special ordered it at a dealership in CO, the spec sheet read like this:
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It's pretty obvious the dude was only interested in going fast...LOL

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My uncle ordered a Road Runner out of a book at the X in country that he got when he derosed. He drove it home to East Grand Lake Stream, Maine and started a craze up there. lol

Later he bought a Dart/GT that had a 440 6 pack, Borg Warner Super T 10 4 speed, no air, no radio, not even any cranks on the windows which were clear plastic. That was actually the car that made me fall for Mopars over all else.

None of the Police Cruisers could come close to catching it. They wouldn't even chase him, just show up at his house after the fact.

He also had a 1960 454 Monty Carlo that was quick as all get out. Used to have this one pin head that he had gone to HS with which was always butting heads with him.

Used to give him tickets for excessive acceleration whenever he got the chance.

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like a rare light weight factory racer, they built a few for select race teams of the day, fiberglass fenders, aluminum hood, acid dipped sheet metal.....very rare cars.

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But, $2500.00 - $4500.00 spoke allot back then too.

I also want to have one of the FORD 500's with the 427 in it.

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How about

an AC Cobra 427? Sha-wing!

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Though I did see one of the last 50 that Carrol Shelby put out.

When they discontinued the car, he bought the last 50 unbuilt frames. The a few years back in the 90's he put together those with 460's in them. Guy in Sarasota had one and you felt each cylinder thump in your chest when it fired too.

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Cobra kits,

tell me about it, they are practically on every corner. Our sales mgr. has one with a 460 in it but my STI will run circles around it.

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Oh lord

well, now that I know that, I'm got a new goal in life. Guess I better get a 2nd job. ;)

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an El Camino or Chevelle. No Monties made in the 60's. I was there then...lol

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Always thought it was a 69. Uncle Rocky had the Monte and Uncle Mike had the GTO.

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Ya old as dust man, dust I say!

but damn wouldn't I love to have been driving back then... VAROMMmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Who would have thought those cars would cost as much as they do today back then?

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More really

You get one in mint shape, and they're in the tens of thousands. Well at least over 10k. But that was practically a house back then. Hell, my Dad paid a little under 4k for his brand spankin new '72 Grand Torino (351 clev). And that was an expensive car.

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In mint are going to bring in well over 40,000, it they are all original then the sky is the limit.
Some really nice wheels on this site. http://www.americanstreetmachines.com/xCars/PageId/11/Classic-Mopar-1970...

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Look no further than

Barrett-Jackson to see what old hemi's are going for, it makes me sick....Wish pop would have picked up a super bird or Daytona back in the day and stashed it away.....The truth is that a well tuned 440 would put the 'hurt' on a street hemi any day, the hemi was best suited for 'top end' duty on the super oval.

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That's why I'm holding on to my 2005 300C. I know it is a HEMI in name only but mine was built when it was Daimler Benz, I think it will be a future classic, and I love that thing only slightly less than my son. Like I said, I'm either going to dump it for a fortune later, or be buried in it. :D

But I think we should look at some of today's cars and recognize what are going to be the '70 Chevelle SS or '69 GTO of the future.

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[quote=Saint J.M. Browning]That's why I'm holding on to my 2005 300C. I know it is a HEMI in name only but mine was built when it was Daimler Benz, I think it will be a future classic, and I love that thing only slightly less than my son. Like I said, I'm either going to dump it for a fortune later, or be buried in it. :D

Two spark plugs per cylinder (eliminates the super heavy valve train of the original) that exhaust rocker arm was looooong, to reach around the center mounted spark plug, heavy valve trains are bad for torque (that's why they performed better at top end), The new hemi is an engineering marvel IMO

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Thanks Hamp

I do love it. I'm not exaggerating, I plan on keeping it til one of us dies.

It is one sweet ride. And it's not a race car, but it is like the old classic American touring sedan. Roomy, comfy, classic lines, and enough muscle to make you feel good.

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Saint J.M. Browning wrote:
I do love it. I'm not exaggerating, I plan on keeping it til one of us dies.

It is one sweet ride. And it's not a race car, but it is like the old classic American touring sedan. Roomy, comfy, classic lines, and enough muscle to make you feel good.

My boss has a black '07 300C AWD (Utah..lol)...nice car!

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I disagree Hamp. I have the 300C. It will also be my casket.

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just joking, I had a '95 RAM3500 with the V-10 that I really liked, just couldn't afford to feed it when the price of fuel skyrocketed.

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gormet kitchen and wine cellar.

Back to earth now :<)
I have a '05 Chevy Venture, self leveling. The left side shock went bad, I found an OEM on the 'net quite a bit cheaper than the dealer's parts dept sells them for, I ordered it. Found out the RH side had gone as well, ordered another one.

I could have gone with Hi Jackers or Monroes much cheaper but I'm in it now for the $$ and can't back out.
Oh well, it's only money...

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knew it had to be a GM product, a co-worker has an 07 Avalanche with the Z55 autoride, those shocks are like $350 a piece wholesale....ouch!

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Chrysler 300 series..

I remember an add from when i was a kid.. big ol Chrysler 300.. B maybe.. C possible.. think they started in 56 or 57.. I know that they had a two 4 bbl option that listed at 140 MPH.. That with like 3K lbs, and drum brakes.. waahhaa..

anyway this was shot (still photo) on the side of pikes peak.. and titled "Chrysler 300 above the tree line" don't know how they did it, as a still photo.. but you KNEW that puppy was flying..

back in the metal dash days.. (jay Leno) yeah, get in an accident, just spray off the blood and good to go...

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'57 Chrylser 300C

Was a beaut. So I'm picturing that one. But '57 was a real good year for American cars.

My dad had a '57 Golden Hawk. Another beaut:

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413 max wedge with Dual Quads and Cast Iron Rainbow Headers!

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It is sorta cool how we can go back and forth on guns, and cars and "we're" all fine with it..

OK.. which one.. got to go with the cars on this one.. St. J.. good on ya, thats it.. and the Hawk.. WOW.. Raymond Lawry, and the GT came with a supercharger.. Just to cool..

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She sounds sweet daisy.. so's does the gun..ha ha.. Yep betting it was/is pretty cool..

Wish i had more Colts.. My current possession of Colts is O.. Frustrating as Gloria has two. I bought her a little pocket 32..Beautiful little gun.. Well over a hundred years old.. matter of fact it's pre "positive" and have to carry an empty cylinder under the trigger.. how odd is that.. I had a match to it.. least 32 colt police positve, but used it to put my beloved Sandy down (yep dog for you BATFECG types) Just couldn't look at it again so it got traded..

Then some time ago before we retired i bought her a 3rd gen det spl from a friend who owned a gun store.. Great buy on this and also perfect condition.. Me, O.. zip...nada...bubkis...sheesh..

Will say that i don't like the Colt DA tho.. Single action is a different story..an out of the box Colt will have a perfect trigger first time out.. Smiths with target trigger option..the whole triple T thing are as good maybe better.. but box stock out of the box Colts awfully hard to beat..

Double action is a different thing, i've never seen an "out of the box" Colt that had DA as good as
Smith.. That whole stack thing.. Quality wise i think were all in agreement that Colts are better..

As they don't make them any more(out side of custom shop and SAA) Colt revolvers should be going way up in price from now on.. Good time to buy them or hold if you already own..

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1, trigger out of the box in no where near a Smith. If Colt was the one to have Cliff whould be shooting them.

2, that damn cylinder release catch is goofy and really inhibits a speed reload. I do like the 38/357 Agent though, it has a great feel and easy to handle. Just make sure you hit with every round and that there is not more than Six (three really, two for each) to deal with at any given time.

Though I have to admit the Peace Maker is my favorite 6 gun.

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it comes to wheel guns, dunno, never tried one but they have a following. Too rich for my blood though $$$

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Pythons are the best ..period.. yep the price is prohibitive..but a python in Colt royal blue is as good as you can get... Guess Korth is something as well, but never seen one, also top bucks..

guys way late and another dr appt (all routine thank God)

ISD i will check for follow up on the discharge thing tomorrow.. that must have been quite an experiance..

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Tim and Delaina have a lady that lives next door to them. About a week before they come into the range for the first time this lady comes over with this pistol she doesn't know what to do with.

Seems her ex boyfriend who used to beat the crap out of her and was now in prison for doing exactly that, had hid it in the garage. He had told her many times while drunk if she ever told anyone or called the police on him he would shoot her dead. She thought it was all drunk talk up until the day she decided to get rid of his crap. She was cleaning out his crap and came across it and was dumb founded on what to do with it.

So she didn't want it in her house and asked if Tim could do something with it, he did.

He took it down to the Police Station and turned it in to be destroyed.

Colt Python, in the Box, paper works, manual, and everything else that came with it complete.

Stainless Steel, Blond Grips, Adjustable Sights and it had been cut for Moon Clips....

So one week after he does this he and his wife decide that maybe they want to get their CCW. So they came in and hung around for a bit and asked questions and signed up for the next class. About an hour after being there Tim and D tell us about this Pistol.

10 guys sitting around a table thinking to themselves "YOU DUMB SOMBITCH" if I only met you one day before you went to the station....

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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AAAUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!

Dammit! Dammit! Dammit!

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ditto

ditto, and also:
WHHHYYYYYY?!?!?!

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A friend of mine got stationed on Midway Island as Magazine Officer, don't know how many years since they'd had a mag officer. Some of those mags had not been opened in decades, Korean war maybe. On his tour to determine their condition and content he found a S&W 357, he didn't remember what model it was. He also found a ca$e of bayonet$ for M1 Garand$. Ya priced those lately?
Anyway, he turned the goodies in to the supply system. He was always a straight shooter.
I am too but...
LOL!

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smiling at you guys..

i had the same feeling when i read that last night.. Like daisys use of s$s .. ha ha.. case of M1 bayo's and a 357.. gets worse buddy.. that would have been a model 27 N frame in all probability.. the 357K wasn't till a bit later.. That was the "highway patrolman" in civie use.. priceless.. ok ju$t expen$ive

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