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6 years 4 weeks ago, 6:45 AM

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Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels has launched an attack on law-abiding gun owners who either live in the city, or visit there, by forging ahead with a plan to ban all firearms, including those legally carried by law-abiding citizens. He is doing this in defiance of an opinion from Attorney General Rob McKenna that such a ban would be illegal under Washington State’s model preemption statute.

The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms encourages Washington State residents, and citizens from across the country who regularly visit Seattle, to submit comments to the city via its website:

www.seattle.gov/firearmsrule

On December 15, 2008, a public hearing will be held in the Bertha Knight Landes room at Seattle City Hall, 600 Fourth Avenue, with sign-in beginning at 5:30 p.m.

Mayor Nickels’ proposed plan would impair the rights of citizens to bear arms, as affirmed by Article 1, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution. He would prevent citizens licensed to carry firearms in public places from exercising that right on city-owned property, including city parks and the Seattle Center.

Citizens may also e-mail Mayor Nickels directly: seattle.gov/mayor/citizen_response.htm

You may also call the Mayor's office: (206) 684-4000.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 7:35 AM

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I belive that the mayor has let all that power go to his head. What are you going to do? You got Solid Snake's Support.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 7:38 AM

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I am giving a heads up to all Washingtonians. We all need to help each other to save our Gun Rights. Give a call, send an email. Clint and greasypaws both live in Washington State.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 7:45 AM

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Wil do. Im gonna Send One Right away.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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Here is what I sent

This is the type of knee-jerk response that we have unfortunately come to expect from elected leaders across our country. I reference your first paragraph, last line: "The suspect in the Folklife shooting had a concealed weapons permit, despite a history of drug abuse and mental health problems." Perhaps the problem lies with who gets the permits? Or who gets the gun in the first place. All of us legal and responsible gun owners / CCW permit holders get sick and tired of overreaching and blanket policies. Instead of punishing all people, why don't you and city officials do your jobs and address the proper issues. As a gun owner/military retiree/veteran (26 years of service) and currently working in Kuwait supporting our brave troops I must ask the question; Where are all our brave politicians, who see problems, then address those problems without resorting to blanket policies that affect the wrong people...legal gun owners and do nothing to curb the real problems? In closing, I would like someone to tell me how, if implemented as stated in the pdf version of the policy, would have prevented this unfortunate incident? The bottom line is, if someone decides to do harm to another individual, it's going to happen, even if they don't have a gun...this person, even if a backpack was searched, he signed an agreement, or whatever other step could have been taken, would have brought the gun in somehow...this policy would not have prevented this incident.

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:17 AM

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Very well said Pkato

We just need more action, like yours, when these things arise...

Thanks,
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6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:24 AM

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Seattle mayor

that fat sack of shit has been trying all kinds of stuff like this for a couple years now.it is ok to let the hippies gather and smoke pot(hempfest)but you should not be allowed to own a or carry a gun in seattle.every morning when watching the news you hear about a shooting.where?SEATTLE!most of us "americans"that live here in our state dont live in that cesspool of a welfare city.i personally wont set foot inside seattle city limits nor will i support businesses that are in or do business in seattle.which is a sad thing because the museums,the experience music project,the pacific science center and the boeing museum of flight are all in this city.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:30 AM

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You have to learn to let things out. You shouldn't hold back...LOL
Hey I put up the url for that tshirt in the comments on that pic.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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Greasy,
How in the world are you going to enforce your stance on "supporting businesses that in or do business in seattle". I understand your frustration, but with the interent, every online store does business in seattle, that would include Wal-mart.

clint

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:34 AM

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let things out?

hell,i am being nice cause it is only 9:30 in the morning here!wait till tonight!i cant stand that fat democrat son of a bitch!him and his stinking,liberal,cesspool,welfare,greeny,leaf lickin' city!

6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:35 AM

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I have real problems

with their broad interpertation of streets and roadways. My question to them was if a (hempfest) fare is being held on a major street and I am 5 miles away on the same street, am I then illegal? It is too broad of a brush stroke. Incrementalism is how they do it. inch by inch!

6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:36 AM

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the Wild Turkey jug around. I have thrown the cork away, so drink up! LOL

6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:41 AM

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good shit!

6 years 4 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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Enjoy my man

We have more...

6 years 4 weeks ago, 5:26 PM

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What I think...

You should work to get him out of office and inform him that it is not his right to make such a call.......

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses
6 years 4 weeks ago, 8:21 PM

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Is there an address we can send a paper letter too also? I believe our objections will have more impact that way.

also... email on the way to this POS

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
6 years 4 weeks ago, 8:48 PM

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wow!

didnt know that i would be refered to as a POS!

6 years 4 weeks ago, 11:44 PM

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suprised?

this CAN'T be the first time!

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
6 years 4 weeks ago, 12:30 AM

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I think

someone should take one of those guns he is wanting to ban and shoot him in the ass with it...Oops, did I say that out loud?
(smacking myself on the back of the hand) Bad, Bad BluesHarp...Bad!

Go ahead punk, Make My Day!
6 years 4 weeks ago, 11:51 AM

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I live in the Uniformed Seattle Socialist Republic.

I sent an email from the link provided expalaning the hypocracy of this proposition. I will still carry a concealed weapon. If I get caught, I am sure there is an attorney out there that can show that the State of Washington Constitution supercedes the mayors decree. If that does not work, there was the Heller decision. As mentioned before by samD, Attorney General McKenna is on record saying that Seattle mayor nickleanddimeus does not have the authority to prohibit guns on public property.

clint

p.s. thank you samD for the investigative reporting

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 11:59 AM

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If you have a CCW/Concealed carry Permit and you get caught, won't that jeopardize your license? Just a thought.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 12:10 PM

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If it is not a lawful search, i.e. there is no jurisdiction, there is no law broken, all rights are to be re-instated.

There will causulties of all wars. We need to think beyond ourselves and what is the best for the country. I see this as an unlawful curtailment of rights garuanteed by the Bill of Rights, decided for by the Heller case in the Supreme Court. I will look at this proposition further, but I do not see how I would be in the wrong as a Citizen of The United States of America, not seattle. ANd as Greasy might say: Those sumbitches have to find my gun...

clint

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 12:13 PM

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I agree Clint...

Was just playing devil's advocate...
Besides you might have to be in the same room with an atty! LOL

6 years 4 weeks ago, 12:19 PM

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everyone hates them...until they need one...

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 12:28 PM

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You are so

right on that. Except have you ever read FIJA? fija.org
Fully informed jury association.
You realize that by English Common Law and the Constitution we can over turn any law or even Supreme decision...
We, the people are the prevailing rights. They (judicial) just don't want us too know about it...

samD

6 years 4 weeks ago, 12:46 PM

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samD,
there is not one governing body that will ever want it's constituents to have knowledge. It this differentiation that gives the governing their power...I will check out fija.org and look into the Constition about the prevailing rights.

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 12:52 PM

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THE INDEPENDENT JURY'S SECRET POWER
By Don Doig

National Coordinator, Fully Informed Jury Association

Are you one of the millions of Americans who feel you have no control over the government, that lately it seems to be acting more like a "master" than a "servant"?

Did America's Founders leave us defenseless? No, they did not. We, the people, do have a very powerful personal "handle" on our government. This is the power of the jury to judge the law itself, if justice requires it, and to refuse to convict the defendant if the law is lacking in merit. Jurors may believe a law to be unconstitutional, or fundamentally unfair, or misapplied in the case at hand. In order to fulfil their responsibility to the defendant, the community, and their own consciences, they must not set aside their own judgment of right and wrong. Jurors can never be punished for a verdict which displeases the judge.

In a word, the jury was traditionally viewed as a political institution, charged with the responsibility not only to deliver justice in a particular case, but to enforce the Bill of Rights! Just like the three sitting branches of government, it has a veto on proposed laws.

These principles date back hundreds of years. In 1670, William Penn was arrested for preaching a Quaker sermon, by so doing breaking the law of England, which made the Church of England the only legal church. The jurors in his trial, led by Edward Bushell, refused to convict him, despite being detained for days and held without food, water, tobacco or toilet facilities. The most adamant four of them were then put in prison for nine weeks.

When it eventually released the four by court order, the highest court of England both acknowledged and established that trial jurors could not be punished for their verdicts. Our freedoms of religion, peaceable assembly and speech thus all trace to our right to a trial by a jury of peers, a jury unintimidated by the government.

The sedition trial of John Peter Zenger, in the American colonies, was another landmark case. Zenger was arrested for publishing materials critical of the Royal Governor of New York colony and his cronies, accusing them of corruption. While the charges were true, the jury was told that under the law, truth was no defense.

Zenger's attorney, Andrew Hamilton, argued to the jury that they were judges of the merits of the law, and should not go against good conscience to convict Zenger of violating such a bad law. The jurors agreed. Zenger was acquitted in about fifteen minutes, and his case helped establish the right to freedom of the press.

As Thomas Jefferson said, in a letter to Thomas Paine in 1789: "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet devised by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."

America's second President, John Adams, said in 1771: "It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court."

And John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, said: "The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy." Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794.

In American legal tradition, an unconstitutional law is viewed as invalid, and is no law at all. And until a law passes the test of community acceptance, and is enforced by juries, it cannot be viewed as a done deal. Meanwhile, legislators continue to receive community feedback on how their work is being received.

Judges have, for the last hundred years, tried to hide this power from the American people, and now actively attempt to suppress it. The Fully Informed Jury Association is working to inform all Americans about their right as citizen jurors to vote their consciences, and would like to see citizens chosen to serve as jurors told the truth about their actual rights and responsibilities, as a matter of law.

Contact: FIJA, P.O. Box 59, Helmville, MT 59843; 1-800-TEL-JURY.

6 years 4 weeks ago, 1:26 PM

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samD,
I think I understand this, I need to be away from work and not in a pissed off mood and reread it; but, does the appeals process work against this. If you can get your case to the supreme court of America, there is no jury.

clint

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6 years 4 weeks ago, 1:34 PM

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to NOT convict on what they feel are unjust laws...

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