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6 years 13 weeks ago, 3:53 PM

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"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The militia is not the people as some would believe. The "well regulated militia" is the standing military controlled by congress and the states. The purpose of the second amendment is not to show that the people, being the militia, should have weapons. the purpose of the second amendment is to show that because we need a well regulated militia, the people should also have weapons. The founding fathers had just fought a war against a government controlled military and were distrustful of having another one. However, they realized that to defend from outside threats, they needed a trained, ready military. That's the "well regulated" part. The founders also knew there would be a temptation by the government to use the standing military to enforce its rule over the people. So they created the second amendment to ensure the people would be armed and able to defeat any domestic army who tries to enforce tyrannical rule. The second amendment is not proof that we are the militia, it is a statement of resignation that we need a militia, and therefore need a way to defeat that militia. The military may have more advanced weaponry and vehicles, but the sheer number of people who have small-arms, as well as the fact that the people would have the advantage of being intimately familiar with the battlefield, means no standing army could prevail. The founding fathers, even thought they themselves were the new "ruling class" wanted the people to be able to overthrow the government should that government become an oppressive and tyrannical ruling body. When discussing this subject with your friends, please, do not sugar-coat it. I DO NOT ADVOCATE THE VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT OR THE ASSASSINATION OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS. But I do advocate having the means to do so, as should ever freedom-loving citizens of this nation.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 13 weeks ago, 9:29 PM

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If this country truly wants to see change.

Politicians have too much at stake maintaining the satus quo and not enough guts to take the stand "Live free or Die".

6 years 13 weeks ago, 10:15 PM

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a side note

if i cant collect guns so that i can participate in my right to uphold the second ammendment,what else am i gonna collect?

6 years 13 weeks ago, 10:25 PM

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I love your disclaimers in your messages. I also agree with alot of what you say, not everything, but most probably. Your post here is one of those that I agree with, this being real close if not right on to what our founding fathers intent was and is with the 2nd ammendment.

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Kevin Spacey: (The Usual Suspects)
6 years 13 weeks ago, 10:37 PM

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thanks, undeniable

This post is, I believe, exactly what the founding fathers intended. And what's more, the Supreme Court agreed in 1934. Look at the ruling in US v. Miller. It is the ruling that upheld the 1934 NFA. The reason the court sided with the government is that they were not aware of the use of short barreled shotguns by the military. The decision stated that because the shotgun like the Stevens in question was not of the type in use by the military, possession of it was not protected by the second amendment. the high court actually said the only guns protected under the second amendement were the very guns in use by the military. I don't understand why the NRA hasn't taken this and made a big deal out of it. Hell, they've only had 78 years. Especially when you consider all the different types of weapons used by the military today. I wish I had the resources to start my own non-profit organization. I'd take it to the courts. I think the NRA is worried about going for this because they're afraid of an all or nothing decision, as opposed to seeing our right eroded away while they collect member dues and contributions.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 13 weeks ago, 1:07 AM

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Miller was a convicted felon who died before the supreme court gave him standing. There was no defence of his argument because he had died. If anything should be derivated from the case was a felon may be restricted from 2nd amendment rights how anyone can get a militia arguement from miller is beyond me but all my professors told me I was wrong.....

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6 years 13 weeks ago, 2:00 AM

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I read the decision and found nothing to say Miller had already been a convicted felon when the two treasury agents arrested him for the gun. The decision, if you read it, was based entirely on whether the short barreled gun was a gun useful for the common defense. There was no argument for him or Layton because neither of the two could be located after having their case originally dismissed.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.

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