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5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:15 AM

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Shopping for 1st gun

Been lookin for a couple of weeks now, mostly on the internet, and a few days ago I had a nice chat with a local law enforcement officer (don't ask how it started). Anyway he highly recommended the smith and wesson compact 9mm. I like they way it feels in my hand, but i want to hear from you guys, and try shootin one before I buy one. Other guns I liked the feel of were the walther pps and kahr pf-9. I have next to no gun experience as the environment i was raised in was more than somewhat anti-gun.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:34 AM

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for your first gun. Simple, easy to use, and reliable! Try going to a local range and renting a few different guns and shoot them, then you will have a better idea of what you like,

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:22 AM

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Yeah me and some of my

Yeah me and some of my co-workers are tryin to get together and go to a range, I wanna have someone who knows what they are doin around to help/laugh at me, been hard tryin to all be off work at the same time though.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:32 AM

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Do you think you might should go by yourself the 1st time.
Someone at the range will help you.
Wouldn't want you embarrassed in front of people you
work with. They never let you live it down.
Just a thought

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:38 AM

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I guess what I am really askin is has anybody had bad experience with these guns to the point that you would strongly recommend against buying one?

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:54 AM

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Be sure and try out a Ruger SP101 in 357 Magnum
You can always shoot 38spl in it untill you get used to it.
I just tried one out and thought highly of it.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:41 AM

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Yeah I am a little worried about embarrassing myself in front of co-workers but they are all pretty cool and a couple of them are real gun nuts. Plus I would have to shoot my own big toe clean off to come close to some of the stupid stuff they have done.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:56 AM

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Sounds like you might be in good company. By the way
Welcome to GunsLot home of sniffed too much gun powder
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5 years 6 weeks ago, 7:11 PM

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In that why ebear is..... well ebear?

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:42 AM

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I have a love/hate thing with taking new shooters to the range. I love it because it allows me to expose someone to a world of guns and create another shooter, but I hate it, because without fail, I slip into my trainer mode and spend most of the day teaching instead of shooting, and I usually get so into the teaching and coaching that I end up with no ammo left, and very few of the rounds have been fired by me. When my wife bought her Beretta to practice with, we drove from Junction City, KS to Seneca, KS and bought out every wal-mart of 9mm practice ammo (this was before the shortage and price hike). it was three or four stores. We went through 1100 rounds in two days and only 15 of those rounds was fired by me.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:49 AM

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You Sir are the exception. In every work place there is always the loudmouth jokester
who lays in wait for a chance to stick it to you. I am the one who laid in wait for the
jokester and always shut them up. But I've seen many times people drop something
they would really like to do because of some dumbass jokester

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 3:36 PM

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Runs,

Sounds like you are a natural born teacher...maybe you should look into teaching in other areas as well. DoDDs still has a need for teachers of all sorts and the good thing is if you choose to go overseas you get a lot of bonuses and get travel...similar to military lifestyle.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 9:53 AM

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a Glock or Springfield XD. But the decision, as wisely stated here, is to try to find a rental place or someone with a few different guns you can try out. There are some potential problems with that, though. The biggest one is pressure from friends or salesmen to pick one over another based on their opinions or preferences. I would recommend go shoot a bit with your friends so you get the feel for it, then go rent some guns and shoot by yourself and don't tell the people at the range that you're in the market. the other problem can come from being too comfortable with a gun and choosing it based on that. I recommend you get a few calibers estblished as the ones you want. A .22 pistol, while not the best choice for defense, is more comfortable to shoot than a 9mm or 45 (My two preferences). And again, give some thought to my earlier suggestion of buying a decent gun such as a Taurus or Ruger for carry, and a cheap single shot or pump for the home defense.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:02 AM

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Here is the perfect example of what you just said about opinions.
I have a Colt Gold Cup Match 45acp. One of the finest guns ever
made and I love shooting it. If I were in a combat situation I might
carry it but when I go into the high country where there are dangerous
animals I carry my wife's Ruger BlackHawk 44 Mag or my Taurus 357 Mag.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:21 AM

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If you had a Glock 20 (10mm) w/ 15 rd. mag cap carring 200gr. or 230 gr. hot bear tooth loads you would have all the bases covered!

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:26 AM

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I've seen the shock factor and penetration test and I'll
take a 357 with Remington 158gr SWC anytime over anything

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:44 AM

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this is what I usually carry... Double Tap loads HOT

10mm 200gr WFNGC Hardcast (They make them in 230gr also)
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : 200gr Wide Flat Nose Gas Check Hardcast
Ballistics : 1300fps/ 750 ft./lbs. - Glock 20
1105fps / 542 ft lbs 100yds Glock 20
Glock 29 - 1240fps

Here is what Double Tap loads their 155gr. rounds to...
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : 155gr. Barnes TAC-XP
Ballistics : 155gr. @ 1400fps / 675ft/lbs- Glock 20
1281fps / 564ft lbs 50yds. Glock 20
Glock 29 - 1345fps

Here is their .357 mag 158 gr....

357 Magnum 158gr. Nosler JHP 20rds.
Velocity: 1400fps / 4" Ruger GP-100
1245fps / 1 7/8" S&W
1540fps / 6"bbl S&W 686
Bullet: Nosler JHP
Muzzle Energy: 688 ft. lbs.

The heavier 10mm round beats them all in muzzle energy. The 155gr. 10mm and the 158 gr. .357 mag are pretty close. Not to mention that you can get 15 rds off in the glock in about the amount of time it takes you to get 6 rds. off in the wheel gun.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:46 AM

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Look up a Remington factory load 158gr SWC

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:55 AM

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still looking for it. No luck yet. I'm finding .38, but not .357. Do you have a link?

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:16 AM

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I'll have to drag out my books and look it up.
Now I'm questioning my memory was it
Remington or Federal lol
I do remember the
44mag 18 in
45acp 16 in
10mm 18in
357 27 in
these numbers are penetration on
jelled silicone

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:01 AM

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My normal woods guns

12 gauge with 1 oz slugs
MV- 1560 fps
ME- 2361 ft/lbs

M4 with 55 gr Hornady V-max
MV- 3,250 FPS
ME- 1,270 ft lbs

Course I don't have too many bear to worry about, but even if I did, pretty sure a whole buncha V-max rounds one after thu uther will discourage even the biggest bear real quick. And this way, i have the coyotes outgunned. For the most part. Unless I go hiking near Sonoita. Then I may need to borow your M1A, Reaper.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:09 AM

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I do usually have my 12 ga. and M1A when I'm up in the Rim area or in the mountains. I was just talking about a side piece. Anything I need to worry about in the desert around here is usually pretty small (Rattlers, scorpions, spiders). Sometimes I hear about the occasional black bear or mountain lion down here in the four peaks area, but I've never seen one. My buddy and I did shot a rattler with rifles (I had the M1A he had an AK)... It took a lot of hits to finally kill it. Maybe it was just nerves though. I usually let them slide, but it was in our campsite and I had my dogs with me. My Lab had the rattlesnake venom shots, but I didn't want to chance it.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 2:08 PM

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 5:00 PM

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I don't have any bear anywhere close unless a traveling
carnival lost one but I do have bunches of Ferrell hogs and
they are some bad boys. I have a source to sell any I kill so
when I'm out I always have the hottest loads I can get hold of

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:20 AM

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Yeah I've a few leads on an inexpensive single shot 12 gauge. Its interesting that u reccommend ruger the cop i talked to said rugers were the only gun they are strictly prohibited from using, something about not passing all of their departments safety/reliability standards. I think they are sweet looking guns.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:30 AM

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What jurisdiction was this cop WJPD? My ex father in law was a SL county sherrif and he used a Ruger as his service weapon. I have never heard of them having safety or reliability problems.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 2:16 PM

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He was Salt Lake county sherriffs department, maybe he is just biased against Rugers. I wont even talk to most WJPD unless I absolutely have to as I have had some bad experiences involving them being jerks, I know they're just tryin do do their job but sometimes it seems like They're hasseling you just for the fun of it.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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I don't know what test they are talking about. It is proven
Ruger is a well made gun as anything on the market.
I remember when Ruger first got into the auto industry
they had feeding problems on their 22 but that was over
20 years ago.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:19 AM

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I agree that you should try a few things out first before you buy. It really comes down to your budget and purpose for the gun (are you going to CCW or use it for a night stand gun etc..)That will help you decide on a price range and frame size. Next you should decide what caliber you want. Personally, I wouldn't get anything less than a 9mm for defense. I happen to like .40 better for two legged threats, but 9mm will be easier to control, especially if you're a new shooter. Like runaway said above, I usually recommend a Glock, XD or S&W M&P for new shooters looking for a auto pistol. You can't go wrong with any of those. The reason I suggest those because they're all pretty similar double action polymer frame pistols with somewhat similar size and weight. The are all simple to use, very easy to field strip and maintain, and all rugged and reliable. Don't buy a gun for the looks of it, or the price you can steal it for. Although there are a couple decent cheaper models like Ruger and Taurus, you generally get what you pay for with defense handguns (with the exception of really high end comp pistols that charge a lot for the name or pistols that cost 1000's).
If you're set on a 9mm S&W... I suggest that you definitely go with the M&P, and not the SW9VE (sigma series). The Sigma will work for defensive purposes and its quite a bit cheaper, but it has a really really reaslly really really really really really long trigger pull. Its a pain in the ass, and unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it. Good luck.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 10:50 AM

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I'll jump in with my two cents worth, im basing this on one thing only, your a functioning adult who is now looking to purchase your first fireams.. first off good on you, and goes with out saying we all applaud your decision. With that simple decision youve chosen something a lot more important than just buying a firearm, youve also decided that "YOU" will take responsibility for your (and family of course) own saftey as opposed to relying on someone else.. Lots more at stake here than just a firearms purchase and a wise choice on your part..

This to me is much more important than what type of weapon to buy.. Youve made a wise decission. you will make the same call on what ever type of weapon you decide on.

Both Shak, and CW have recommended revolvers, and thats the "starting point" for most of us and you absolutly can't go wrong..no one makes a bad 38/357 revolver so you can simply go on lowest cost.. If you get into the sport you will no doubt move up to an auto loader, and by that time you will also know enough to know what type and caliber you want.. congratulations!

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:19 AM

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Lots of hits, huh?

Well my trusty G34 only took one snake shot round to do the job on a rattler at the old house. SCREW THE 308, 9MM IS MORE POWERFUL!!! Yeah, probably just nerves. My normal carry gun when working outside or going on a ruck march is my G34. 9mm doesn't have near the power of a 357 or 10mm, but it's plenty for people and very few animals have the dedication to keep attacking once you've caused them pain, so 4 or 5 real quick rounds should discourage about anything I run into.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:31 AM

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are perfectly fine. It's interesting that a department would have standards that don't allow Rugers for safety issues when Rugers are just as safe as Berettas, Glocks, and Sigs. Ruger has had some problems recently with their newer guns, but older P-series guns are great. I don't personally like them because I don't like DA/SA trigger pulls, but they are great guns for the money. the best bang for the buck out there is Taurus. it's a company many gun snobs look down on, but my single highest-round count gun ever was a Taurus PT-92 with over 15,000 rounds through it by me, and I bought it from a friend who shot more than i did. That gun had two malfunctions, both of which were my fault, because they were Simunitions rounds fired without the adapter barrel and spring. If cost is a factor, look at the Taurus first. they are great quality and low price.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:33 AM

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Sure, there are good ones out there who shoot on their own, but most cops view their guns as something heavy on their belt and don't know anything about guns other than what they learn at the academy.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 11:50 AM

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Now that we have totally screwed up your head find a range
that will rent you some guns to try out before you buy anything.
Glad to have you aboard, now join NRA lol need the support to
control the anti gun communist

Mabe your co-workers will have enough guns to let you shoot
to make up your mind

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 7:25 PM

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Naw anything done to my head at this point is bound to be an improvement ;) Really though I want to learn as much as I can so I can go make an educated decision. If we can get everyone from work together I will be able to try out .32, .38, 38 spcl, 9mm, .40 and .45. We will have at least 2 different 9mm and .40. Should be fun.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:24 PM

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That sounds like a good selection for some test firing.
I would like to be there myself for that.
Some say I'm lucky but to me it was good planning
I live in the middle of 13 acres 17 miles from town
so I can do what I want to. I have built a 150 yd range
in my back yard. Shorter distances for pistols and
have a automatic skeet launcher. Now the damn ammo
is a problem. I'm working on getting back into reloading.
I know a guy (went to high school with him) who lives
near Paris Texas and he built a shed looks like a
fireworks stand, one side opens up. All his loading
equipment is against the wall, Load em up turn around
and shoot em up LMAO
This guy taught me reloading or as he calls it
custom hand loading.
We even weigh finished cartridges to be sure nothing
extra got in there.

After you get started shooting you need to google
SASS, it will blow your mind Single Action cowboy shooting

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:28 PM

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Sounds like I need to come over sometime, I've never been toTexas

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:32 PM

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We went to Nashville last year and my wife said she
now knows why so many people from Tennessee came
to Texas. They wanted to see what flat land really looked like.
Come on down, we do have some places worth the trip

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:53 PM

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complete with sound baffles to the outside. He has a garage door opener with a long chain to move the target back into the range, all lit up with flourescent lights. At th eback end he has a piece of metal (maybe a quarter inch thick? I'm not really sure) angled down with a pile of sand below it. So the lead strikes the target, bangs against the metal piece, and is deflected down into the sand for lead recovery. He's an engineer, worked out all the math to make this work. If I ever get over there I'll post some pics.

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That is a sweet deal. Never get away with that in Kali!!

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 8:55 PM

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Please do and try to get some details

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5 years 5 weeks ago, 4:00 PM

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There has been several instances on this site that folks mentioned something about building their own indoor ranges...would be nice to see pics...hell, maybe he could end up selling plans.

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5 years 6 weeks ago, 2:43 PM

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by all means. Also consider SAF (Second Amendment Foundation), CCRKBA (Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms) and JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership). All are militant organizations dedicated to maintaining and defending our rights, especially JPFO.

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eca- Your advice is right on. I don't know why there aren't links to those org's on this site.

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5 years 5 weeks ago, 1:34 PM

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I live in you area, sorta. There are several good indoor ranges in the SLC, Ogden area that will rent you a variety of pistols. It aint all that cheap , but it's less so than buying the wrong pistol for all the right reasons. You might want to check out shooting instructors. Trust me on this it's a lot easier to learn to do something right the first time than to unlearn it later.

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West Jordan, Utah, United States
Should I be scared?

The cop I mentioned at the top of this board called me the other day out of the blue and wants to take me shooting. We couldn't nail down a time in the near future, but he said he would call me again in a few weeks. I'm a little freaked out as I've spent a lot of time and energy during the younger years if my life trying to avoid cops.

Nothing is as risky as certain failure.
5 years 5 weeks ago, 10:53 PM

Ebear

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thats on you

he may be sincere in helping you get you a safe weapon, and wants to teach you proper technique......or.. he wants to make a move on your wife...like Ray LOLOTTA In Unlawful Entry

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5 years 5 weeks ago, 12:04 AM

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I just found out that his wife and my wife work together, so I think he might be sincere. It still freaks me out a little, and now thanks to u ebear I got 1 more thing to worry about.

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5 years 5 weeks ago, 4:04 PM

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after you...haha! Probably sincere...just somebody looking to go shoot with someone, surely, but don't wear anything revealing, just in case!!!

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5 years 5 weeks ago, 12:33 AM

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Now it makes since.. The wifes working together thing is the key here..so im thinking youve got a good deal here.. All guys like to "show there stuff" a bit.. Word to the wise, defer to him in terms of shooting, but outside of that, don't even talk about the LE thing..most cops dont have a lot of buds outside of work because everybody wants to talk about it... or do the i couldda been one thing.. He will respect ya a lot more if you really focus in on the range stuff..But then dont say a word about him being a cop.. Just treat him him the way you would anyone else.
Think you can thank the man upstairs for getting some great free advise..besides that the wife is gona feel better about having a weapon round the place.. Think this is a good thing..

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5 years 5 weeks ago, 12:41 AM

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OozeRat

I go along with Greg. Go shooting with the guy and be glad he offered. Keep focused on the shooting and don't even think about what used to be with you and LE; for God's sake don't mention it to him. Sounds like he's trying to be friendly with you, maybe after his wife talked to him. Take advantage of it, and you may well make a new friend, and we can't have too many of those.

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. (Mark Twain).
5 years 5 weeks ago, 6:00 AM

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Amen to that ecaman

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5 years 5 weeks ago, 3:25 PM

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thats what

Kurt Russell said.....whatever you do don't take the cop to the new NightClub you are opening!!!!!

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