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4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:34 PM

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I am thinking about loading some shotshells. .36 caliber round ball (3) surrounded by #4 shot. 3 drams equivalent powder. .36 is 000 buck shot.
What do ya'll think? I believe these will be potent to say the least. By the way, the 000 will be centered in the wad.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 8:24 PM

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Vaquero thems sound..

Real nice. Make sure to post some pics of the damage.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 8:27 PM

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Will do.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:32 PM

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She's 17 now. With any luck, she'll be in college in a couple of years.knows her way around guns. I'm thinking a 20 ga mossberg for when she leaves. What do ya'll think?
Be honest, I need all serious input. This is my baby. 5'4"
Bombshell. Doc says she's thru growing. Daddy is gonna get her an equalizer.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:48 PM

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Will she be living at home and going to a local college, or will she be in another city? If in another city, will she be living in a dorm or an apartment?
Generally it's difficult if not impossible to get permission from a college to keep a firearm in a dorm room. For my daughters, it was supposedly forbidden to have one in a college-approved apartment, either, but they just ignored the rule.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 9:53 PM

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We aren't too worried about the "rules". The safety of my family comes first. I am assuming the worst. Out of town, dorm or apartment. Working a evening or night job also.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:07 PM

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because a long gun may not be the best choice for room defense if she has a roommate too. Limits your field and quickness. If she is thinking on defending a roommate as well as her self then the 20 gauge will get ruled out somewhat quickly. If she knows guns ok has she said she doesn't want a handgun?? Much easier to draw and aim. Get her some shot shells if she is looking for some spread. But they don't penetrate as well. Try one of the 5 shot 357s and light load the ammo. Mostly in close quarters just having some heat will be her defense. But if she has too shoot teach her to shoot from the tactical hip and not straight held out in front. She could put 5 quick ones in the creep and be on her way again,,, alive.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:09 PM

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I'de like to see some of those shot shells you're making too please.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:10 PM

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Your idea of a 20 gauge pump (Mossberg, Remington) is fine to keep in her apartment. Easily controllable and quite effective. Tell her that in an apartment room, she MUST aim the shotgun, since the shot spread will be about the size of one's hand. For concealed carry (for the evening or night job), it will depend on what she's comfortable and effective with. Many "experts" say that a .380 ACP is the minimum caliber to use for self defense, but if someone absolutely hates its recoil, then they must go to a lower caliber. There are many good, small semi-autos in .22 LR, and most people can learn to shoot one very well. A few rounds of .22 LR HP in the chest, neck & head will take care of almost anyone. If she can handle a .380 ACP there are some that have come on the market recently that should be great for the purpose. If she likes revolvers better than semi-autos, then a small frame .38 Special would work well, especially if ammo like the Winchester "Chief's Special" load (110 gr Silvertip at std. velocity) is used. Very easy to control, even in an airweight revolver. Greg Az will tell you that a .32 S&W Long is also quite effective, & I won't argue, but finding a revolver in that caliber is often pretty difficult, whereas .38 Specials are everywhere.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:25 PM

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I may need to supply 2 guns.
A shotty for the dwelling and a 5 shot 38 for carry. So be it! Money well spent if it keeps my baby safe.
Again, thanks for the input.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:16 PM

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Thanks,
That's what I need, thoughts from different perspectives.
You nailed my goal, her walking away. For the rest of you, let me rephrase the question. What would you want your daughter or granddaughter to have if someone like runaway got ideas? No offense runs, you just scare women and children. LOL!

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:21 PM

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I will give a full report with pictures when I get to test my shotshells. I think I can get good range and penetration from what I have in mind.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 10:38 PM

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later guys

Its waaaay past my bedtime.

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4 years 13 weeks ago, 11:04 PM

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hey vaquero

get here a .38 special good and accurate and not to much of a kick.

4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:11 AM

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My experience is that a suitable carbine almost always offers more 'pluses' than a shotgun, and is typically better-received by novice shooters.

Depending on the setup, a good carbine could be shorter, as light or lighter, offer less chance of overpenetration, more ammo on board, less recoil/blast/noise, and better accuracy. In the case of a .223, wounding potential may even be higher than a shotgun round.

My wife loves recoil (kinda sick), but most people do better with a lighter-recoiling weapon. An M1 carbine offers all the above, and the cartridge is capable of defeating some soft armor (unlike most 20ga loads). I'd even consider a pistol-caliber carbine above a shotgun in some cases (9mm AR, etc.).

The ostensibly increased hit potential of a buckshot load is tough to realize at indoor distances (3-5yds), and if you're not getting that benefit then a couple of quick shots from a carbine might be better. A semi-auto carbine is much easier to teach (for me) than a pump shotty...so long as the carbine is well-maintained and of a sufficiently reliable design, there's less to mess with--grab, rack, ack ack ack.

The biggest upside of a pump shotty is versatility of loads (not likely to be put to use in a dedicated home defense gun) and low cost.

The main thing is TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN....I'd rather have my better half running a .22 with a winning mindset than an M203 with little training.

4 years 13 weeks ago, 7:50 AM

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M1. My 11 y.o. g-kid loves my M1 carbine so it can't be too intimidating :<)
.30 is a capable round.
For years I wanted a carbine in .357/38spl but now I have no need for one, for
home defense they are good and ammo is inexpensive

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