Recently I traded my Sig P229 for a Glock 30SF. I was looking for a smaller CCW that packed some power!! Thoughts on if this was a good move???
you got a "great" gun in the Glock!
I carry a glock 30 everyday. I am happy with the weapon. I hope samD was sitting when he reads this!!!! 10 round highly concealable .45 is a good thing.
Yeah that 10 round is darn hard to get in!!
You only like perfection. You also groused 6 months ago about wadcutters not cycling in it. So no surprises here. I have a mind like a steel sieve...
say it aint so!!!!!
ebear: it aint so!!!!!
there I said it.
samD, there was no other manufacturer that had an out of the box 10 round pistol. I use what works best for the situation. I do not care if it says glock, kimber, chevy, dodge, dell, nokia, etc. When one props up a single manufacturer over all others based on marketing, that person is nothing more than a follower. Thinking becomes second to loyalty for no other reason than a feeling of fraternity.
because it holds 10 and works everytime. No fumbling for a safety. I own one Glock the G19. I figured you need the best, at least for me, when you only carry one pistol at a time. The Glock is the best for what it was designed for, which is concealed carry and reliability. I love the 1911, just not to carry. I also want another 9mm beretta and a sig and an H&k and a Kimber, I want it all. Sorry if I preach to highly on the Glock, yes they are ugly, but I will shoot faster than some sidewinder looking for the safety!
I agree that the glock has a mechanism to allow fast firing, however there is a trade off, that first trigger pull is alot stiffer on my 30 than on my HKUSP45. I am a believer that everytime you pull the trigger, that round should be on target, if you have to adjust your trigger pull to allow for that first shot, there is a moment of thinking you must train for. Similiarly, using your thumb to remove the safety on other weapons requires training. Is the glock faster, maybe, maybe not. It depends on the shooter. All the main manufacterers have plusses and minuses to their product. If there was a superior weapon, there would be a monopoly by that manufacturer.
p.s. As long as I adhere to the caveats presented by Glock Manufacturing, it is true, my 30 works everytime. As soon as I introduce lead, or a bullet not round nose shaped, the reliability reduces. So to make a blanket statement that the glock works everytime is a bit misleading.
S&W Chief's Special makes a very
nice carry weapon.
Size wise, I prefer the Glock19. Lighter and more rounds. 15 vs 6. I like those odds and when you are a shitty shot like me, you need the 15. I cant wait for someone to design a pocket 12 ga for 00 buck, multi rounds.
5 SHOTS OF .410 .
I can see the desire to have 3 times as
many rds since the "Air Weight" Smith
only carries 5 shots. BUT, the Smith is
a very light weight and small overall
gun. Since almost all gunfights in
civilian life is under 15 feet and
under 6 rds, carrying extra has the
benefit of comforting the owner. That's
I've never been in a gunfight and only
had one opportunity to legally shoot
a person so I don't want anyone to think
I know what I'm talking about but, I am a
shooter who takes serious sending lead
downrange and like I preach to local cops,
THINK! before launch, it only takes a
fraction of a second to identify target
and get the front sight on center mass.
I love my shotty all the more.
i've shot Glocks and it felt the same as a Taurus to me....But now a Kimber was unique.Buti'll take the XDm over Glock. my preferance of course.
a Glock and taurus in the same sentence. Friends don't let friends shoot Taurases. ebear I am only talking about the technical excellence of a Glock.
easy big Daddy, I'll put my 24/7 up against your 19....allthough mine is a .45.......
Why is it that everytime someone says something negative about Glock, Glock oweners act like you just told them they have a little dick? LOL!
Oh man that's funny rite there!
and we don't like to be reminded
I had a PT99 9mm. I shot it until it broke (about 50,000). Taurus replaced the barrel at no cost to me. Customer service was great, I can not speak about them now, but my experience tells me that Taurus is a good pistol.
I get tired of the glock community praising the technical excellence of the glock. It might be a marvel of engineering, but it is NOT the be all end all weapon. It works great, not one can dispute that, but so do all the other major manufacturers. It is the person that is deploying the weapon that counts. ebear trusts his Taurus, samD trusts his glock.
cause they do!!!!lololololol
I agree, compleatly with your last post!Glocks may be great guns......Just not great for everyone.
why thank you sir.
see guys, some people agree with me, not everyone thinks i'm a crossdresser!
has seen the pics.... ebear, bring out the gimp!
hey!! where's his red ball????...clint!!!!!!
ummphr rmmmphh arrmmmph heerrre
just my opinion... but that was a bad move. Don't get me wrong, I love Glocks. My G23 is my carry and I have a G21SF in my truck right now... but LOVE sigs. Glocks are my bic lighters, sigs are my zippos. Sam, I know you have brand loyalty to Glock, but sigs fire EVERY time as well, and no fumbling with a saftey. with the P229, you can choose SA or DA... where as the G30 is DA only. Sig has put their guns through the same "torture tests" that glock has and has proven to be very reliable (which is why they got contracts with the seals, FBI etc.)
AntNTx, all in all, if you got what you wanted out of the deal, it was a good move. But economically, you just traded a $850+ gun (which is worth every penny) for a $500 gun. If you wanted you could pick up a used G30 for $300 that would be just as reliable as the NIB G30.
Yeah your rite, that P229 was my 1st love! I loved the simplicity about the gun. Guess I bought on impulse. I'll get my Sig back but this time it'll be the P220...
I will trade my G19 for your .410. OK
wait till runaway comes flyin in, he'll have your back!
In all seriousness, Glocks function great. They are my second favorite handgun.
Now first of all, what caliber was the Sig P-229??? We are not mind readers ok. Now I own and shoot both a GLOCK & SIG pistols. I favor the GLOCK for a CCW weapon as there are NO safety's to sweep off and the very first pull of the trigger is going to feel the same for all rounds in the magazine. The SIG pistols, have the dreaded First SHOT that has a 10-lb trigger pull to fire the weapon and the other shots are at around 6-lbs. This causes many shooters to pull down with the pistol missing their mark on target.
One cannot afford to keep the Bad Guy the benefit of a lousy first shot if a confrontation came about, you may end up in the cemetary because of such an issue of off target shot fired.
There are NO de-cocking levers to have to think about either on your GLOCK!!! All you need to do is draw and fire that weapon, should there be a threat to your or yours of course.
I have timed myself with the Sig, Kimber, and Glock. My time firing on target was faster with the GLOCK 29 (a 10mm calbier) and my Sig P-229 is a 40 caliber, nice pistol but not for my CCW pistol. The GLOCK is an UGLY SOB BUT is the most reliable pistol out there in my humble opinion for a CCW weapon.
Now lets just remember that NO PISTOL company in the industry has subjected their pistols to the tests that the GLOCK CO. has done. YOU think about that for a minute and then tell me who can match the GLOCK TEST of 250,000 rounds out of a Glock pistol with NO FRIGGING HANG UP OR JAMS gentlemen and ladies!!! I rest my case.
I can purchase any 10 pistols in the world today but I choose a GLOCK as my GO TO GUN as a CCW weapon to defend myself and family against the BAD GUYS. I Own COLTS, Smith & Wesson, Kimber, Springfield, Sig Sauer, HK and GLOCK pistols. My carry gun is a GLOCK 29 & Glock 20 with a KEL-TEC PF-9 as a ankel gun.
It was a .40 S&W...
I can not dispute your experiences with glocks. Nor can you dispute my experiences with glocks. Everyone has a favored weapon. Do not believe the hype that glocks are a perfect weapon. Again, I carry one everyday becasue it is a tool that meets my needs; however, please read this report: http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/hhnj.html
I understand the report is a couple of years old, and I am sure a quality company like glock has addressed the issue. All weapons have gone through some sort of trial and error in the field, because as you and I both know, the lab is a controlled environment. You and I deal with dynamic situations where lab tests might fail.
according to sig (and other online sources)the P229 was put through a 3 million round torture test...
"The P229® DAK™ is the standard pistol of the Dept. of Homeland Security and the U.S. Coast Guard who selected the P229 after a 3 million round grueling torture test. A favorite among law enforcement professionals, the P229 offers compact size, choice in firepower of 9mm, .357 SIG or .40 S&W, tactical versatility of an accessory rail, double-action only and the unbeatable performance that only comes from SIG SAUER® all in one package. Developed by the renowned engineers at Sauer for the SIG SAUER pistols, the new DAK trigger system delivers a safe, reliable and consistent 6.5 pound double-action only trigger pull. The DAK also features double-strike capability. SIG SAUER DAK pistols also disassemble without the need to pull the trigger - simply lock the slide back and remove the magazine to disassemble like other SIG pistols. The DAK is also available in the P220®, P226® and P239® models."
I realize the quote was for the DAK model. Like I said, I know Glock is proven and will always fire when the trigger is pulled. I trust my life on it. But many people have the misconception that no other gun has the longevity or reliability of a Glock. I know sig does.
Either way, the question was whether it was a good trade, not which pistol will withstand deep salt water submersions and airplane drops. I stand by my answer.
1 year and 2 days. way to go, now that is commitment...lol I will be there in a week or so...
thanks man, I just checked on that myself. I wrote you a PM. Very important for you to read.
One hell of a gun.
I'm sure your Glock is a fine
weapon and suits you to a "T".
When you get down to basics
there will never be a gun to
please everyone. I, for one,
do not like the "modern"
incarnation of semi-auto
handguns. It seems though that
gun magazine writers have taken
some of the guns to a level
formerly reserved for the
golden calf and other artifacts
worshiped. My S&W .38spl. will
perform in a close-in duel just as well as
any firearm and it was affordable.
Plus if your law enforcement, military, i believe ex-mil, and several outher catagories, Sig will give you a 100 dollar rebate for purchasing one of their firearms as a way of saying thanks. It's posted on their site, and I saw a flyer on it at the local PX.
Just a thought, but why ask if something you already did
is a good idea? Why not do your research and ask your
questions before doing something?
Because I wanted to get peeps opinion on the matter...Also I was set on getting that G30 I didn't think twice about it. All the vids & websites etc I did on it convinced me more & more to get this gun. I'll keep that last part in mind next time!
Also what kind of home defense rounds would you prefer???
My home defense rounds are the same as my carry rounds, Speer Gold Dot HP +P. Spend a bit of money, buy a box each of a few different defense loads and see which one your gun likes the best. Hitting what you want to hit is more important than whether the round explodes or opens up into a sharp little flower thingy. I love the effect the Extreme Shock AFR frangible round has on target, but it's not as accurate in any of my Glocks as the Speer. Experiment on your own.
I use HydroShok and Hornaday XTP also ordering some Winchester Ranger.
Sounds good, lately there's been some break ins around my block! God help if he breaks in my house!!!
I like Corbon DPX, Federal HST, or Winchester Ranger SXT because they talon. For regular JHP's I prefer Corbon or Hornady TAP.
SAM!- Hornday doesn't make a "DPX". The only DPX's that I know of are barnes' X bullets on a Corbon load (which is what I carry). I think you're full of shit again. Take a jacuzzi and your meds
It is greatly appreciated.
Pardon my ignorance but Hornaday calls theirs XTP! I am just so stupid. How did I survive so long without some snot nosed 30 yr old to direct me? Whoa is me!
I was just breakin your balls. now go get your f'n shoe shine box!
do I really have a snotty nose?
Remington 12 ga 3" Magnum 15 pellet 00 Buck
Hornady 55 gr V-max .223
The handgun just lets me make 'em duck while I grab the long gun from the bathroom.
on your shoulder. I am just an old man trying to enjoy life. Meet some friends. No prob!
If you're serious, I'll lay off ya. If not, F you! I don't take anything on this site too serious or personal. I definitely don't think I'm superior to anyone, except maybe snake... and ebear, clitbo, and runaway. They're just losers. I just thought I had too call you out as I would anyone else. Keep on keepin on... and i'm on to your secret agenda to use the site to meet S&M chicks
Spanierds and Mexicans?Snot nosed bastard!!!!!!
how much more time do you have on this earth??? i mean....should i put you on my x-mas card list?
I don't even have a refridgerator anymore. I won't even wait on hold. I buy $1.00 worth of gas at a time. I pay my mortgage daily!
I'll buy your life insurance policy
so mabey a nice labor day card your sayin?
for tomorrow. Make it a green card. Happy Birthday you old Fuck. 8/13/64 I was in the service then! What's your mamacita look like, I was in San Antonio and Nuevo Laredo around then! Hijo...lol
i was raised by chihuahuas!! it was hard especially at dinner time. my step brothers would get mad cause i would suck three nipples at a time.but once i learned how to lick my own balls it was all good.
more like chupacabras
i wrote Santa and he told me so
Not at my age. LOL
Another Sig question, Does anyone own a Sig P220 Carry if so how is it comparred to the Sig P229 in size?
thats a Reaper question....he's a snotnosed bastardo
is almost indentical in size to the P229. it depends on which model though. I have 2 P229's. One is the equinox, which is wider because of the wood grips, but not by much
Sounds good! It's the answer I was looking for... I'm juggling guns here, I think I'm going back to Sigs. I recently shot my G30, just didn't feel rite compared to the Sig I used to have...
But that my 2 cents on this topic for now.
Handgun torture tests are fucking stupid. How many here really think they're going to fire that many rounds without cleaning or lubrication, or how many are really going to be dumb enough to drop their gun in a cement mixer filled with gravel? "Oh darn, I accidentally buried my gun in the mud for two weeks and then I lost it in a freezer for another two weeks. Better dunk it in salt water for two weeks to wash it off". I've had two Taurus pistols and both were excellent guns. I bought the Taurus PT92 well used and I put about 15,000 rounds through it and the only two malfunctions I had was when I fired simunitions rounds through it without the adapter. There are certain guns that I would absolutley recommend against, those being the Hi-Point due to the poor quality control of that company (some guns are great, while others of the same model are jamamatics), and the gangbanger specials like the Lorcin, Jennings, Davis, and Ravens. I prefer Glocks due to their simplicity of operation and lack of extra switches, levers, buttons, and dials. They go bang when I pull the trigger and only when I pull the trigger. Slightly off subject, many of you may not know this, but Reaper308 is the national Wham! fan club president. Fag.
That's 3 1/2 minutes I'll never get back. That was a dumb video. ALL RIGHT, I'LL ADMIT IT!! I WAS GROOVIN'!!!! I think I might have turned a bit fruity. I was actually trying to see why you'd like the trumpet player more than the bass player. Must like them redbones, huh? What is DHSS?
Department of Health and Social Security... but I dont know what the hell "V1V2" is... anyone... bueller....bueller?
I'm looking @ getting some sights for my Glock, any suggestions?
I prefer trijicon night sights, I have them on all of my handguns
The best sights I've ever used for the Glock are the Heinie slant pro straight eights. Trijicon makes the tritum inserts for almost all the major night sight manufacturers, so it's a matter of style you prefer. the straight eight system uses two tritium inserts, one front and one rear that you stack on top of each other rather than trying to line up three dots horizontally. Another good set are Sevigny carry/competition sights you can get through Dawson Precision.
really? I hate those. I guess I'm just used to the vertical alignment.
I usually work mids or swing shift, so it's dark either when going to or from work and I stop at the range about once every other week for night-fire training and those things are just so much faster than the three dot Trijicons I have on my G26.
Glock without a doubt! No wait, maybe a Sig.........No still a Glock!