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6 years 3 weeks ago, 3:51 PM

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What would be the best distant to sight a rifle at for urban combat , most likely under 100 yard's ?
Using a Multi reticle Reflex Sight Compact and a 3x9x40 scope

Rifles 223 , 7.62x39 , 9mm . 308

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 12:25 AM

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Here is my thinking so far and as steady as I hold a rifle/pistol now days going mostly for body shots ......

223 Ruger Mini-14 Rifle converted bullpup Using a Multi reticle Reflex Sight I will most likely set this at the sight in dead on at 50. Makes you about .5" high at 100 dead on at 150 and 2" low at 200.

223 Ruger Mini-14 Rifle converted Strikeforce Package with tripod I will most likely set this at the 250 yard mark, and will aim at the mouth of a target using a 3x9x40 scope and I may be able to make head shots out to 300 yards, while never being over or under 4 inches.

[I]Is the Ruger Mini-14 Rifle converted Strikeforce Package capable of this?? [/I]

7.62x39 AK-47 WASR-10 Rifle converted from single stack 10rds to take double stack mags..
Not sure on this one thinking of converting it to a Bullpup also [ as soon as funds are available late 2009 ] has a 4x scope on it now
Suggestions/ideas??

SAIGA 308 16" AK-47 style with tripod I will most likely set this at the 250 yard mark, and I will aim at the mouth of a target using a 3x9x50 scope and I may be able to make head shots out to 300 yards, while never being over or under 4 inches.

Marlin model 9 9mm carbine converted to a Bullpup using a Using a Multi reticle Reflex Sight Compact I will most likely set this at about .5" high at 25. Makes you dead on at 50 about 3" low at 75 and just about 8" low at 100.

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 11:06 AM

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This is a Sportsmans Gun Site. We are not Offensive shooters. We are in a Defensive mode, to protect ourselves and Family! I am sure that you can find a site more in tune with racking up your body count. Not that you don't have good advice, it is not primarily our concern. This is more of a military tactical operation, which most of us are not faced with. If and when the time might arise, alot of us are ex-military and can do what we need. I think Hinckley or David Berkowitz have sites you might enjoy. What type of security do you provide?

6 years 3 weeks ago, 12:12 PM

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This is a "Sportsman's" Gun Site.
I'm sorry I was under the impression that it was more than a "Sportsman's", by looking at the Home Page , http://www.gunslot.com/ , I apologize for my error..
"We are not Offensive shooters. We are in a Defensive mode"
Do you feel No need to sight in your firearms in a Defensive mode???
I do that was the reason for the question...

I may/should have posted this under Strategies, Tactics & Training again I apologize for my error..

emcs . security = retired USCG E-8 EMCS ... Security = I feel I'm responsible for my own security ccw/open carry .

NOT a wanna-be "papers please, move along" type. or an unarmed security guard whose company is debating arming it's employee's.. I did play one while going to college in the 60s..

Gave up hunting years ago , { if I could see it I could kill it }, all the military gun medals rifle / pistol.
Had some old rifles and traded for some new ones ..

Now days the inside of the barn is safe from my shooting , of course if you are not in the barn it's a different story..

But if I'm the one who may have to protect someones life or my own I would like the best information I can get on all types of subjects..

The only dumb question is the one the is not asked ..Can't say the same for some peoples answers or those who jump to conclusions ..

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 12:48 PM

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Sorry, Chief had you

filled out your profile, I might have had a little more info to base my first opinion on. We get alot of wannabes and never was types in here. I didn't know if you guarded WalMart or our country. Thank you for your service to this country. We also get some anti-gunners in here and LE/Govt. types trying to stir shit up. have had peeps on here wanting to buy illegal weapons and un-registered firearms. So before you condemn me, you have to see where I am coming from also. So now that we have an understanding of you, check with Reaper308 of fordvg, both are very knowledgable in this area. Hope you enjoy the sight.
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6 years 3 weeks ago, 4:00 PM

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36/300 yds

"Proelium Comminus Auctoritate" "Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is a muzzle flash."
6 years 3 weeks ago, 4:40 PM

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urban Combat

For me " Urban Combat " = taking on a " Bad Guy =Evil Force " in today's world and what else would you call it , even if it is in your home you are combating a evil force..
Yes it will Defensive ..
The old two to the chest and one to the head still applies ..
Using your " protecting my family and property in a looting or hysteria type situation " if you can STOP a Evil Force at a longer range with a Head shot would you not take it ??

I would be using my weapons for my own and others security..

My original question
What would be the best distant to sight a rifle at for urban combat , most likely under 100 yard's ?
My follow up contained " Here is my thinking so far and as steady as I hold a rifle/pistol now days going mostly for body shots " ......

I was thinking of sighting in on some of my firearms at 150 feet or less , other more experienced people had good reasons for the longer ranges..

my thinking of the guns , the way I have them set up
223 Ruger Mini-14 Rifle use's US Military/NATO Ammo all legal types , and is readily available , small in size..
7.62x39 AK-47 use's what used to be a cheaper ammo and is readily available
SAIGA 308 16" a little better for longer distant use's US Military/NATO Ammo may sell or trade it for a longer barrel one..
Marlin model 9 9mm carbine use's US Military/NATO Ammo and completes my XD9 pistol/rifle using the same ammo , small in size.....
Yes I do have a riot 12gage loaded with 12 GA. "Rhodesian Jungle" and 12 GA. Armor Piercing..
Plus other firearms..
Will I ever need to use any of my firearms Not very likely , but it is always good to be prepared and to be able to STOP a Evil Force ..
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In My Opinion the SHTF a long time ago with gangs and individuals who do not give a damn about others , be it Their Rights , Property or Lives..

If you think my Freedom is worth your life , feel free to try and take it..

USCG RET EMCS

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 5:05 PM

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my 2 cents

i have found by ballistics charts on most mid size ammo (.223, 7.62x39) are best sighted in at 50 yards. when figuring sight hight, bullet coefficient, bullet drop and velocity, especially with a .223, your point of impact from 50 yards out to 100 only rises a little over an inch at small incremints every 10 yards. from about 150 to 200 is where the larger drop is seen. still leaving your point of impact at about 3.25" from your zero. basically pointing out that sighting at 50 yards, given this amount of bullet drop, will cover you for a well placed center mass hit from 50 yards out to about 250 yards without holding over on your sights.
from 50 yards in you know that you are only adjusting for the amount of sight hight.

If you do not stand behind our troops...please stand in front of them....
6 years 3 weeks ago, 5:19 PM

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thank you

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 8:24 PM

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EMCS- how about 9mm AR

I have a 9mm AR-15 sited at 50 meters dead on. Funny thing, I am going out to 100 meters. I bought a handle scope mount and tightened the groups. Now this is with winchester white box. I will try good ammo and go out to 150...

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 9:18 PM

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9mm

i've got a 9mm AR also. seems fairly accurate for a pistol round. i mostly handload and it is a little more controllable. the 50-100 yard shots are really consistant. i have tried past 100 and it just drops too much.

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 10:56 PM

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Fordvg here, I'm a Medically Retired USMC and we think alot alike.LOL If an Evil Force is coming to my place to do harm a bullet in the head is no problem. I shoot IPSC rifle matches for 7 years. These matches are more or less setup for urban combat. We shot targets from 2 feet clear out to 300 yards. Most of the time it was just out to 200 yds. I have my AR-15 zeroed for 100 yds. and shot fine with no problem for all ranges. You might have some problems with a 300 yds shot with a Mini-14. I was taught like you a double tap to the chest and one in the head. Cheif, since you are talking about 100 yds or less, I would sight in at 50 yds. to cover it all. I would practice shooting targets at different ranges, to see how much of a hold over or hold under you need. I got to the point of shooting my AR-15 so much, I just knew where to hold the cross hairs for a target. Never wrong to be prepared for the SHTF. Semper Fi, Cheif

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 8:51 PM

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DEMO and fordvg

Thank You Both

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6 years 3 weeks ago, 9:21 PM

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I once provided physical security for EDS. I favor socom II or a 6.8 ar-15a2

6 years 3 weeks ago, 9:21 PM

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I once provided physical security for EDS. I favor socom II or a 6.8 ar-15a2

6 years 3 weeks ago, 9:38 PM

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hand guns and rimfires(.22 rifles)are all set at 50 yards.medium range rifles(sks,ak.mini 30)are all set at 100 yards.hunting rifles are all set at 200 yards(.270 win,.308 win,.375H&H)all guns are zeroed at set distances for their category!even with the zeroes of these weapons being where they are as any self respecting firearms afficianado does,we use kentucky windage and know where our guns hit at most ranges out to 500 yards(i do)

6 years 3 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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6 years 2 weeks ago, 5:10 PM

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I agree with greasy

I used the metric system for my m4, as the BUIS is calibrated in meters. It's not precision accurate, but the vast majority of urban shots are taken within 70 meters and are very quick. Think of how little time it takes to dart across a street or move past a window. One bit of advise I do have is to get rid of the bullpup garbage. In the event you have to fire with your weak hand, the ejection port is right on your cheek. Also, most bullpups put the sight line too far above the bore line and at extreme close ranges, like inside a room, that makes a big difference. The AR/M16 series has a difference in sight and bore line of about 2.6 inches, and that comes into play if all you have is a partial target at CQB distances. Just my advice.

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