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Sniper, Rob Furlong

interview with the sniper who currently has the world record kill http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6q76G7F4dV8&feature=related

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 8:23 PM

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Isn't it ironic that his last name is a unit of measure of length?

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 8:36 PM

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I will give this cunook his props he made a long shot with a state of the art weapon using American ammo and know how. But Hathcock in Vietnam used nothing more than your basic hunting rifle. Hell many of us guys on this forum have better rifles than what Hathcock used. With as far as technology has advanced with range finders, portable weather devices, not to mention the high tech optics with some training a guy that is already a good shot with training could become an excellent shot.
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5 years 30 weeks ago, 9:25 PM

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If I remember right

Hathcock made his kill with a scope mounted on a old 50 cal m2. Pretty impressive for a machine gun.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 10:55 PM

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Hathcock used a "modified" M2

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 11:08 PM

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Hathcock

Used his 10x Unertl scope from his rifle on a mount made for him by a Navy Seabee on an M2. His target squatted down right next to the coffe can Hathcock used as his 2500 yd range marker. the shot would have been high, but the kid stood up just in time to catch the round under the chin. Mmm, .50BMG under the chin. Must've been nice.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 11:10 PM

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Hathcock

didn't it take him 3 shots?

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 11:52 PM

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Hathcock

Hit his target on the first and only shoot.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 11:57 PM

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But the guy snuck through a field to within 600 yds of an NVA Division commander, killed him, and got away. Regardless of the round through the scope, or the 2,500 yd kill, or pinning down an NVA company for three days, that feat, in my mind, puts him in the top of the pile.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 12:56 AM

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hathcock

did it old school and when this place goes to shit and those gps, windage meters and all the other fancy stuff don't work anymore. . ..well so will we be doing it old school if we want to survive!!

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:01 AM

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Best sniper

There was a guy from Finland who is credited with over 500 kills against the Russians. I know he was called white death. He used an iron sited rifle. I saved the article if anyone is interested. It amazed me. Over 500 hundred in a few months. He was shot in the face by a russian sniper. He returned fire and killed that sniper and somehow made it back home. A really amazing story to me anyway. They tried everything to get rid of him. Couldn't do it. Long shots these days have got to be a little easier at least. Rifles are super accurate. Bullet design has seen tremendous inprovement, as have propellents. Scopes are unreal. Not to take too much away from anyone, but long shots, with a long range rifle properly set up, don't seem quite so hard these days.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:15 AM

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While I agree it's good to maintain proficiency with the basic tools, technology today is very reliable and rugged enough to trust. If we all stuck with what is proven in battle, we'd still be using spears and clubs.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:17 AM

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While technology has allowed long shots to be more consistent, technology and techniques have also allowed detection of marksmen to be much easier as well. It's the same as armor/anti-armor. It will always go back and forth.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:41 AM

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Agreed. But that guy was just amazing. And I don't know how much technology most of the people we face now actually have. These folks, though dedicated to be sure, are not elite military forces. Our guys are, and it seems clearly evident to me. I would certainly not want to see a situation where we have to face forces such as was the case in World World 11, where they actually had the tech advantage and perhaps training and other advantages as well, along with millions of dedicated soldiers. It appears to me, that although our military is up to the task, our citizens are clearly not.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:45 AM

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You are way off. I am a soldier, and although proud of it, I realize the best shooters in our nation are not military. How often do servicemembers win the big shooting competitions nowadays? Not often, and it isn't from lack of trying. The edge in aggressiveness and tactics goes to the servicemembers, but as for actual skill, there is a reason people like Todd Jarret are employed as instructors by Blackwater to train our elite guys.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 2:11 AM

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Tis true

But that was not the point I was addressing. I meant the tech used to identify snipers. I just said I did not know how advanced the folks we were facing now were with respect to such devices to detect people firing at them from a mile away. Such detection devices may be employed by avanced military units, but I doubt that they are being employed by terrorist on a daily basis if at all.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:46 AM

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You got that right about our US citizens are not up for it.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:58 AM

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I only wish it were not so. I guess it was the same in the 70's, but it seems so bad to me now. If our people can't deal with this type of engagement, where we are clearly winning, without changing anyones lifestyle in the US whatsoever, how in the world can we hope to hold off someone like China or Russia, or anyone for that matter? Our people seem gutless and weak to me. What happened to America? Home of the Free? Land of the Brave? I know there are still millions that are up to it if pressed, but something has happened to our will to win.

5 years 30 weeks ago, 2:06 AM

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Most American people what someone else to do the dirty work, so they can keep doing what they are with nobody to bug them.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:52 AM

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Up for what?

What are we talking about? What did I miss?

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 1:55 AM

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The American people are not up for a long war like WW2.

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This is the life. Here I sit, in front of a government computer, watching extreme marksmen on the history channel chatting with gun people, sizing and depriming my 9mm brass. Life is good.

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5 years 30 weeks ago, 2:00 AM

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That's too much

I am watching the same thing!

5 years 30 weeks ago, 2:19 AM

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Ironmike

They are not typically good at detecting our guys, but we have the same problem even with our technology. Tactics beat technology most of the time

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5 years 29 weeks ago, 6:05 PM

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No doubt. That is why my vote for best sniper went to the white death from finland. As I mentioned above, he is credited with over 500 kills against the russians. He did so with an open sited rifle and a 9 mm automatic. That's it. It is an incredible story. He helped cause the russians to come to an agreement with the Fins. thereby allowing them to remain free. Tactics were the key for him. There were scopes at the time. He did not use them. I was only suggesting to people that long shots in and of themselves are a bit easier now, due to the improvements in bullet design, rifles, and scopes. An accurate rifle is not that hard to aquire these days. The bullet designs are unbelievable, and the scopes are fantastic. All this makes long shots seem a bit shorter to me. Especially if no one is shooting back at you. He was actually shot in the face by a russian sniper. He recovered his weapon and killed the other sniper. Then he returned home. I don't know what else could ever be expected of a man. He has my vote. The others certainly are deserving of credit to the extreme, but the white death is tops to me.

5 years 29 weeks ago, 5:39 PM

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I think if we are pushed or another force comes against us there will be some real American patriots that will step forward. We may not have the military training, but many of our fathers, grandfathers, or some close freind has and they will be an ascett we will hold very dear. I will give you the fact that Americans have become compliant with their rights being stripped away, but there is some of us that will do what is nessacary to secure our God given rights.

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5 years 29 weeks ago, 5:50 PM

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I do not doubt you

I know people like you exist. They would be included in the millions that I mentioned. It is just that a different type of person seems to be the norm now.

5 years 29 weeks ago, 6:19 PM

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WWII was a short war

It took about four years. That's a lot shorter than Vietnam, and shorter than Iraq as well. It's the drag-out of politics that screws it up. I agree, though, the Great Generation is passing, and they will be missed.

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5 years 29 weeks ago, 6:28 PM

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Runaway, I think

Dr A meant in his post that it's a good idea to be able to do the basics well and stay proficient in case the technology fails at some point...Preparedness. But I think you agree anyway. As far as Americans being ready for WW2 type of engagement. Two things...1/ I don't know if we will ever see another war like that, it seems that things will go the way they are now, with the terrorists and war by proxy (fighting against a country, through another country that is engaged with your mutual enemy). 2/I do believe wholeheartedly that when faced with adversity, we will (like always) rise up to meet that challenge. With that said...Russia seemingly is going to become a bigger problem and the N.Korea/S.Korea issue is still a hot button topic. Otherwise, we still have the Muslims and China/Taiwan to watch.

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