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6 years 29 weeks ago, 11:56 AM

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I keep thinking about Afghanistan, and although I really want to go very badly, I keep thinking we should call it quits there. I got it, Americans don't like to lose, and pulling out now would mean a lot of people have died and been torn up for nothing, but is staying going to do anything? I understand Iraq. That country is powerful enough that it could affect the stability of the gulf region. But Afghanistan? I realize we don't want al Qaeda to have a stronghold, but the reason for being there (at least the reason in my mind), retaliatory strikes for 9/11 and to disrupt al Qaeda's ability to stage further attacks, has either been a great success, or a waste of time due to their ability to cross borders and operate anywhere. Will further operations in Afghanistan really yield anything significant, or should we redeploy our forces and focus on retraining and worldwide preemptive ops against the terror networks? As it stands right now, are we really "fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here", or are we spinning our wheels while the hierarchy plans and equips for future strikes from other countries? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more deployments. I make pretty good money while deployed, but I don't feel it's serving my nation. As far as a sense of duty to my country, I'm more concerned with what this next year brings within our own borders and not at all concerned with what a bunch of sheep fuckers who smell like sweaty balls are doing. Perhaps it's just me venting, and ultimately, my biggest incentive for deploying is to make sure these young men and women in uniform have real training and boots-on-ground leadership. But I just wonder if it's all really worth it.

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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committment to this country and your fellow GI's.
You are the farthest thing from "Un-American", that I know. Irreverent yes, but hell so am I.
Have a great 2K10.

6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:09 PM

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Un American I don't think! Frustrated Yes. We are all frustrated, there are so many rules of engagement that we have to follow, while the enemy is left to do whatever they want. This the same way we did business in Vietnam, hands tied to a point we can't get the work done that needs to be done.

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:10 PM

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Speaking of which,

Has it been determined how we should shorten this year? Do we say "Oh ten", or "One oh", or just "ten"?

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:15 PM

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ought 10

just like 30-ought 6,then when we're all sitting on the porch of the old folks home playing "guess the tattoo" we can tell lies about life in "ought 10"

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:16 PM

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My question is the validity of the conflict. Obviously, as a staff sergeant, I don't see the "big picture" (although I'm sure I understand better than our Community Organizer-in Chief), but I can honestly say I've never been lacking for support as far as beans, bullets, or band-aids. If I encountered something that needed killin', I've never been held back, and only got "talked to" one time for telling my lead gunner he could use his .50 for warning shots when the rest of the company was only using their M4s. At a tactical level, I don't feel my hands are tied. They rise up, we smack 'em down with the Hand of God. But I just wonder if we should even waste the rounds and fuel, let alone lives, on these people. Hell, they'd be lucky for us to bomb 'em UP into the Stone Age. I wonder if we're just trying to prove to the Russians that we can succeed when they failed.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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I think Oh-ten would be the best!

"We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home" Thomas Jefferson
6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:22 PM

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I might call a car dealer and find out what they call 2010 models. Of course, the GM dealer will reply that they haven't been told by the Obama Administration whether they've been authorized to shorten 2010 yet.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:33 PM

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This might sound strange, but I only wish I could go. Please dont take that wrong, like Im a bloodthirsty wack that just dreams about chalking up a few hairy war stories. If they started enlisting 50 year olds tomorrow Id sign up to go. Id go drive a tank if that would help anything get done. Id go be a ground pounder if thats what it took. Id be a mess hall cook if that would help get anything done. Im just sick of our country being caught up in this bullshit. If I had a chance to go get anything done over there I would take it, and hoping that I might help to get it DONE! But..in the reality all Ive got is a vote. God bless our troops.

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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I think it was coming across as me actually wondering if I was becoming Un-American. I was actually trying to make fun of a term that has been thrown around by the left and right, usually when describing those who publicly disagree with their views, which is actually one of the most American things you can do. Sorry.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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is strategically inportant. If we left it to radicals Israel would be in mortal danger being surrounded by hostiles. As it stands, or should, a friendly Iraq can maintain a balance in the Middle East.
Afghanistan is within arms reach of a nuclear arsenal in Pakistan, We are trying to keep the sheet heads bottled up (and dead) inside Afghistan to keep the weapons secure.
If the riffraff in Afghan were a-holes on mopeds doing drive-by shootings in their own barrio it would be no prob. Considering Pakistan's own political stability how long would it stand in place if we took a walk?
We could do the same thing there we did in VN, we could Afghan-imazation the war and come home, 2 years later the dirt bags own the place and their neighbors nukes as well.
Enter CBS news and body bag journalism, end of war and everyone declairs defeat.

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:38 PM

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No Runaway.. your not unamerican.. Think the real America is right here.
Most of us have serious doubts about the "stan".. The real world view is just what you (and everybody else) said.. They don't even have roads to most places, as our buddy daisycutter says its a "faux iron age" society.
I was smart enough to get most all my ink in single needle, so you can still tell what it is.. another 20 (with luck) and i'll be guessing on those to. Man i love this site, you guys is the bomb or what ever passes for compliments these days.. Happy first sat. and you all enjoy, got stuff to do around here. later.

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:53 PM

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no fuck afghanistan

geographically it's a corridor,but in this day and age it can be bipassed,let the cristians in action handle it,pull the troops,quit trying to bring the sheep fuckers up to speed with the rest of the world,improve relations with countries that border afghanistan and make it as difficult for al-queda to move as possible,drone attacks,aerial surveillance,CIA operations all work(if you leave them alone)

just like "no child left behind" hasn't worked either,some kids are destined to ride the short bus,so be it with the afghans.

i believe there are more important issues than afghanistan,and those are right within our countries borders and i'd like to see our troops "stand down" for a bit,having said that i think we have the finest troops that ever jerked off on foreign soil,so if they are gonna be there i hope they kill'em all,let god sort them out.

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:56 PM

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But the Taliban was in power and al Qaeda was strong in Afghanistan before 9/11 and Pakistan had nukes then. Why bother now? Because al Qaeda would like to get some nukes? Hell, that's been a goal of theirs for a long time. Why not asist Pakistan and India in better securing their arsenals? See what I mean? Why bother keeping us in Afghanistan. The obvious response to 9/11 should have been to hit every training camp, every city, every town, and every fuckin' mud hut in that country with Tomahawks and JDAMs just to make a point, then locate the immediate families of every hijacker that participated in 9/11 and publicly execute them. That would have sent a very powerful and very effective message, "moral high ground" be damned. But we didn't, and I have to wonder how effective our presence in Afghanistan is at stopping other attacks and how much we're actually hurting the powerful, international arm of al Qaeda.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:57 PM

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Hah hah, LBC.

I've literally jerked off on foreign soil. Jacked off on a small sand dune in Kuwait in 2002, while watching myself through NVGs.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 29 weeks ago, 12:59 PM

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I agree with you LBC, even though I get tongue tied when things really bother me.

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 1:04 PM

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yah buddy

i haven't foregotten how it was,boring and cold and shitty and hungry and "fuck it,i'm jerking off"....

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 1:05 PM

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:<)

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6 years 29 weeks ago, 1:10 PM

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videos of jacking off and Russian shotguns. Wait. No. That's not cool, Russian shotguns suck.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
6 years 29 weeks ago, 1:11 PM

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