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So who is POTUS?

interesting read


Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 6:59 AM

White House Insider: Obama Hesitated –
Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden

by Ulsterman in Issues, May 3, 2011

"What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had
already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a
covert on the ground attack against the compound."

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence
officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama
Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since
followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as
the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent
hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of
any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific
position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in
all others, working as an absentee president.

I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for
several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton,
Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this
plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough
to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various
components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and
then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some
time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more
recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s
failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media
indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts.
One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already
weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further
destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama
Bin Laden to proceed?

A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having
one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress
in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin
again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama
began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally
act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct
CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to
act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president
that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin
Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the
president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened,
convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a
bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed
policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to
discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with
other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was
at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may
resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta
and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful
manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding
knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather
than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public
backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of
political debilitation..” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground
campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was
intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a
campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The
president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would
have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett
believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for
failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the
president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated
a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground
attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already
ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the
enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed
with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or
Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the
impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with
Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the
president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both
Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely
he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility,
but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that
meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta,
indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed
by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in
private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open
approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great
benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had
secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting
indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley
then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions,
even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public
should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that
message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement
order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of
the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours
after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for
action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept
Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe
originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President
Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to
weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been
acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but
was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having
been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the
plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being
followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of
that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in
his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West
Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the
Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief
meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert
Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative
from Jim Clapper’s office. I have to assume that these meetings were in
essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin
Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct
contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this
point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be
another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time
effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained
that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was
literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be
informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which
included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military.
When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.”

The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a
success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan,
and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this
briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain
of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was
the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission.
The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The
president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had
personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as
a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials.
I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President
Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been
willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today.
There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the
president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What
will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie
Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that
unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the
Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate
investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." (Calvin & Hobbes)
6 years 41 weeks ago, 2:55 PM


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of whom make up a pseudo-team, the members of which seem to be playing a game of "let's have fun with the idiot who is called "president". Valerie Jarrett is the infiltrator from the Chicago syndicate, and her job is to "handle " the idiot, in accordance with Chicagogang inputs, with coordination by Mayor Rahm Emanuel [who was the prior "handler"].

Too old to fight, Too old to run, guess that's why I carry a gun! "would someone show this asshole the way out of town".[Rabbi Avram Belinski-aka "The Frisco Kid"]
6 years 41 weeks ago, 3:03 PM


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i agree

seems the blind squirrel was led to the nut.

i tried being reasonable,i didn't like it, NRA LIFE MEMBER,USMC VETERAN
6 years 41 weeks ago, 3:44 PM


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though I can't see anyone doing anything without the Presidents ok without there being some kind of repercussions. Besides it is only the President when things screw up. lol

I don't figure he has really done squat to begin with and will not even if re-elected really.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!

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