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3 years 20 weeks ago, 8:49 AM

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Gentlemen, I'm thinking (key word) about getting into reloading. I shoot quite a bit and think I can start saving some money by reloading. The only reason would be for economic reasons, so I have some questions for you all:

-Is there a good basic "reloading for dummies" type book out there?

-I currently shoot: .380, .223, .38/.357. I plan on owning .45 acp, .40, and 9mm down the road. Which of these are going to be worth reloading? I shoot .223 more than anything.

-Can you point me in the right direction for reloading equipment? Not the cheapest, but not too expensive? Maybe something that has an initial investment then I can build upon it? What should I buy and where should I buy it?

-Can you point me to where I should be getting reloading supplies (primers, powder, projectiles)?

Thanks for the advice and feel free to answer questions I didn't ask, also.

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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My personal opinion, unless a special load for shotgons, bid loads, like tukey and pheasant where you do not want to pick your teeth out at dinner, old school huh!- But you end up with an ass load of supplies, a sore ass and back, tired of switching to this and that, emptying the powder and using the bullet and crimp right, etc to much time. When you get a good deal on ammo buy a load of what you want. Do some scapping on the side one day of the month. By that I mean do not turn in your beer and soda cans, keep them, pick up the brass and wire where you see it, and aluminum. Offer a local range guy a free cleanout for the brass only, if he will do it. pick up anything metal that does not stick to a magnet resonably strong and take to recycle yard and cash in. Then buy some more ammo. When younger a bunch of us would go to the mountains in New york every so often or poconos or to maine for a week. We would have a weekly card game, picnics, july 4th, memorial day, so fort and always throw beer cans and soda cans in a pile in one guys yard behind his barn, where nobody could see. We had a old 48 chevy dump truck we got from the city for a 100.00 bucks at a city auction and it worked great and ran great. We also had a loader attachment for a massey fergussen tractor, and hooked it up and loaded it all up and went to scrap yard. Payed for four of us to go hunting for a week every year. when things got tougher, we used to go cut a couple chords of wood a weekend for a couple of months and sell that and that would pay. It was just easier than buying all the stuff to make all the time and forever reload even withan assembly line type we tried. But we were drunk by the third box anyway. JC AHHH the good old days?

3 years 20 weeks ago, 6:36 PM

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Not really worth the hassle then, huh?

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 7:34 PM

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In my opinion and been there and done that but quite a few years ago, No it is not. JC, and sorry for tease with reaper and late on and off, just felt onery today.jc

3 years 20 weeks ago, 7:35 PM

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I'd do it

reloading,Vaquero reloads and a couple other guys do to.I would check out Dillon,they have progressive reloaders,LEE has been around forever,Rock Chucker is another good one,multiple calibers,ease of changing out dies to load different calibers,try Dillon 550,that would be my pick,but i don't have one myself yet but the guy that reloaded ammo for me did,and i watched him work(play).I would hope Vaquero would chime in here.I do like JLC idea for shopping and buying in bulk to though.

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 7:43 PM

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see it all depends on how and what kind of time etc, LBC has a good point too, that is what this site is all about. Hell LBC could have a sweeper up guy save the copper and brass from one job to pay for his supplys or part of, if he wanted too. JC

3 years 20 weeks ago, 8:13 PM

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I guess if I could reload and save 50% then it would be worth it. I guess I'm not sure how much I'd be saving. I'v heard some rounds aren't worth reloading cuz you don't save that much, but other rounds you can save 50%........not sure which ones tho.

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 10:48 PM

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Reloading saves $

If you load 45 you can really cut down . I buy a brick of 45 lead for $50/per500. $19 for the powerpistol powder and 3$35 fo the primers. ends up at $100 for 500 rounds. .223 is about the same. The bullets are cheaper but you use more powder. just my 2cents

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 7:55 AM

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I recommend it. In most cases you will save at least 50 percent. I still buy bulk when I catch a good deal. I'd hate to keep reapers ars fed with a single stage press, but rolling your own pistol and rifle ammo is rewarding. Shotgun shell loading kits start at less than 70 bucks and picking up the plastic hulls is necessary anyway. Don't feel like you need a dillon or rcbs to make good loads. Like I've said before. The manual is the most important tool at the bench. Holler if you have any specific questions. Lee makes a good reliable starter kit, that's what hamp bought. Last I heard he was happy with it.

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 3:16 PM

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i shoot alot i have a bunch of rifles an pistols i recomend reloadin i bought a lee starter kit an im still useing it it has all the stuff you need to get started i did buy a didgital scale as for i am really picky about my loads also i load alot of my stuff just below the hot loads start out low on your powder an work up to the load you like also ammoguide has alot of loads you can use to load your loads.i enjoy it best part is its alot easier on my wallet an i get to do what i really enjoy shootin

3 years 20 weeks ago, 3:59 PM

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Well, thank you all for the advice. If I will in fact save around 50%, I can justify this. Following LBC and Eagle, I looked at Dillon's and Lee's website. I definitely am interested in either.

My main problem right now is I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO BUY!!! It's frikkin dizzying all the stuff. I guess I'll call Dillon and Lee directly and see what I need.

I know I want to reload .223 and some pistol rounds. I want to reload around 200 rds at a sitting.

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3 years 20 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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I reload also...

I use a RCBS set-up that I got the whole kit for $300.00. The manuals are pretty detailed for the basic reloader. Reacently upgrade to an automatic powder dispenser. Just be sure to double check your charges. Load the right weight for the bullet your firing. With a little practice, you will be cranking them out in no time.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:09 PM

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Does anyone know if brass cases can be silver in color?

I just found 300 cases at the range, all .38 special. Half were brass color, half were silver in color and non magnetic. Half of those silver ones were fractured at the projectile end.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:14 PM

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Many times it can be reloaded a number of times and loaded to the Max powder charge. Or the ends of the chambers are warped and they expamd more than normal, then they reload and it resizes and weakens the throat of the case over time.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:11 PM

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Grant, Yes

Nickel coated cases are almost always defense rounds.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:15 PM

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Thx ISD. Can I reload those? And why were some fractured (which I tossed)?

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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It's a brass case Nickel plated, you see the same thing with Semi-Auto defense rounds.

They can splt for different reasons, mostly loaded a number of times and they weaken because of the resizing and crimping. Sometimes one of the chambers on the cylinder is out or round, or they are over crimped a number of times. Or they can be loaded too hot or to the max pressure and loaded that way a number of times.

Split cases can be the norm when using unknown brass.

Your best bet it to stick with once shot and keep track of how many reloads you get from that paticular brand of ammo before it starts getting hair line cracks. Then you have an Idea of how many times you can load the specific brass safely.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:26 PM

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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 19 weeks ago, 6:34 PM

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About nickel cases...

I've reloaded nickel numerous times.... I can't swear to this but seems hard on steel dies. Carbide seem to work better, but like I said, could be my imagination. One of the main reasons I use nickel is that leather cartridge belts play hell on brass. The chemicals used to tan it eat brass very quickly, nickel is all good though.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:36 PM

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nickel plated brass

The bulk of nickel plated that I have are Remington Peters. They do seem to split more frequently than non plated. The RP brass in general feels softer in the press than other makes. My experience indicates a firmer case and longer life from wcc mil spec. I rarely reject a wcc. The federal runs a close second. .38 specifically. Over crimping will definitely shorten case life, as isd pointed out.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 7:43 AM

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That's interesting. Most of the split cases I threw out had "Peters" on the headstamp.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 9:42 PM

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Carbide always works better. If you pick up brass, from a range always work in this order. Resize,expand, trim, (trim is crucial on brass from unknown sources) prime, charge, seat and crimp.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 5:34 AM

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Cleaning????

Have any of you used one of the ultrasonic cleaners VS. media tumblers for cleaning? I've read very mixed reviews.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 7:52 AM

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I don't reload (yet), but what I do now and what I would continue to do when I start is that I use the brass for my range time and plinking and general mass usage. And then I have a handful of Nickel plated cartridges for personal protection. The benefit to the Nickel plating is less friction. So the feeding and ejection should be more reliable.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 10:13 AM

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.38 spl in a revolver

.38 spl in a revolver though........is there any benefit to nickel plating for that?

BTW, 90% of what I reload will be strictly for stocking up, hoarding, and piling up ammo at less cost.

The other 10% will be the 'special' loads (which I'll have to learn to do) for the sniper type shooting at the range and for personal/home protection.

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3 years 19 weeks ago, 12:00 PM

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No. I don't see any benefit to Nickel plated rounds for a revolver.

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