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2 years 43 weeks ago, 1:03 PM

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sportsman's opened a week or so ago here,but had their grand opening today and gave away 25$ gift cards to the first 300 people through the doors.the wife and i got up early,i made breakfast and lots of coffee and yes we stood in line with the rest of the sheeple baaaah!stood in line eating my toast and hardboiled eggs drinkin coffee talking to a couple nice people.they didn't have what i was after,but ill go back and try to order it when theres not 500 idiots in there.figured out that even though i didn't use the cards today,we made 50 bucks for about 2 hrs of waiting,thats 12.50 an hr 2 sit and wait for the sales we wanted to go see anyway.just wish they carried more than a couple a r15 parts,and made in china scope bases

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 1:18 PM

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say you liked me recepee for carp.i saw the opportunity to finally use that joke n took it.i laughed when my buddy told me about that.i kinda invented the recepee though,couldn't remember his,but basically i just told a great way to do any fish ending with eating the bag instead.still i wouldn't pass the chance to try carp if somebody knew how to cook it.hear they eat it in europe,and asia.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 1:24 PM

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I was reading it serous.. sorta making mental notes about the procedure, as opposed to reading ahead as normal.. I thought i was going to fall off my chair laughing.. The deal here is if somethings good i show it to the wife..I was still laughing when i took it out to Gloria.. Lets just say women don't always see our sense of humor..lol

Hey.. thought you had a pistol on order from them.. did i miss read, or you change your mind..

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 1:45 PM

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no pistol,but a week or so back i got a scope.thought id wait till the grand opening for the sales before i spent any more $$ there,looking for a low profile gas block for my AR that will cover the factory sight pin marks,and a scope base or rings with a cantilever to them for good eye relief.like my scope delema though i will only spend so much,and i will only buy american.almost had the base today,till i saw that the 100$burris mount said made in china in tiny letters on the bottom.im sure theres nothing wrong with it,it looks very nice,just really want to buy american and i think i can for a similar price.ill see if leupold says theirs are made in usa.
wives don't always understand our humor for sure!i know mine dosnt always.maybe your wife didn't know that really nobody eats carp,that they have a reputation for being bland soft and full of bones,and the joke was ONLY funny because of their reputation for being so bad.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 1:53 PM

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Sportsmans Warehouse

maybe it's because they're just opening, or perhaps its a kali thing... but the sportsmans warehouse near my house had about 20-25 AR variants in 5.56 and .308 last time I was in there. They also had a BA-50 and a handful of .338's. They did have some chinese scopes but also had leupolds, trijicons, aimpoints etc... I really wanted to pick up the MWS that I've been looking at, they had one for around $2650 but I can do better on the price (plus I can't spend that right now anyway). I just ended up grabbing a 420 can of LC XM855 5.56 for $140, which is pretty decent. They also had that carbon fiber Christensen CA-15 that clintbo was asking about a while back. I think they wanted $2600 for it w/ 18" ss bbl. I was going to fondle it a bit but they were slammed and I didn't feel like waiting just to get a case of blue balls. I prefer Sportsmans over Bass Pro. I feel like Bass Pro is full of the chinese stuff.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 2:13 PM

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think they need to make a law making it illegal for a foreign made product or and product made of over say about 20% foreign parts to go under a name misleading you into believing its american like american sporting products or american tactical and so on.also foreign made products should have to be clearly marked on the item(not a tag or sticker)and the packaging so there can be no confusion.as far as their selection goes they have a bunch of american and import scopes here in this store,but almost all the rings and bases are made???????who knows? weaver is china,winchester and remington stuff generally is too,and blackhawk as well i believe.its haaaaard to buy use anymore.perhaps i don't really need the cantilever,and added strength of a base made for a r15,and should just use leupold rings?my delema is i don't wan a buy a 75$set of rings to later have to turn around and get something else.

what I'm trying to accomplish is
A.have enough forward play room for proper eye relief
B.have a solid ridged monting,that won't shake loose,or move,and (maybe) even retain zero after removal/reinstalation.
C.be able to have a b.u.i.s mounted under my scope
have you had any experience with such an animal as this?

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 2:16 PM

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oh ya and all while trying to buy american!!!

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 2:49 PM

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My local SW has a shitty selection of AR's and such, it's okay if looking for a hunting rifle or shotgun and they have a decent selection of hand guns, nothing to write home about, but for "got to have it now" ammo and reloading supplies, they can't be beat in town.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 3:26 PM

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The problem that you're going to run into is price. There are a lot of great U.S. made mounts that have a good return to zero but they're going to cost. GG&G, Bobro, GDI, LaRue, and American Defense are just a few. It's almost an oxymoron to say cheap or inexpensive U.S. made anymore. If you want good quality, buy american. If you want cheap, buy chinese (or where ever). Last week I bought a 30mm QD mount from GG&G. I could have got something cheaper but they make a good product and I like supporting AZ companies. The good thing about the quality mounts or rings is that they'll hold their value if you decide to sell them. What scope are you mounting? Just wondering to determine eye relief and height for BUIS...

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 3:59 PM

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here is a link to the specs page.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/vx-i-riflesc...
was thinking of using their mount maybe,if it can clear the optic/bius.their mount is nice looking,but each ring only has 2 fastening screws,notice many have more.is this crucial?

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 4:10 PM

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GGG and LaRue

I second the GGG and LaRue recommendation. Great quality and great customer service.
I have many different mounts from both companies, not just scopes. Durable and thought out.
I used http://www.gggaz.com/accucam-quick-detach-base-with-integral-30mm-scope-... for my Ar for a while. Very happy with it. The only reason I changed was because I went from a scope to an aimpoint.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 4:21 PM

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thanks clint for the input.im checking into gg&g right now.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 3:29 PM

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ammo,and reloading here,they win no doubt,and a fair selection of shotes rifles and auto/revolver pistols too.when i asked about mounts for an ar,the guy said "tactical stuff is on that isle there --> pointing behind me.all that was there was a few magpul parts some slings grips and add on rails."tactical"shotgun accessories...not much.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 3:48 PM

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Buying American made

usually costs more but I do it when I can. Jay, "tactical" likely means outlawed or soon to be in Kali. : )
Reminds me, I bought a bunch of MTM ammo boxes at Wally world. When the checker scanned them the register required proof of me being 18 or older. I shrugged and replied yes. The checker (girl) went ballistic! She just stood there with one in her hand screaming "it's a plastic box! just a damn plastic box! why do you have to be 18 to buy a plastic box!" I really couldn't give her an answer.

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 3:57 PM

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waz it the new C 4 box? put a charge and it goes booom?

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 6:31 AM

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Walmart..

I can sympathize. I've bought a few items at walmart where it asked for prook of age, and while the cashier didn't go ballistic, you could tell they were VERY annoyed with the system. Last proof-of-age purchase was a stripping wheel. One of those industrial brillo pads that chucks into a drill to remove rust and paint... Got to be 18 to buy. WTF???

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2 years 43 weeks ago, 6:33 PM

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18 to purchase

saw a guy at walmart buying a few things,amongst with were bbs,and an air duster,the checker asked if he was 18 after scanning the air duster,when he got to the bbs.wtf?no check on the chemicals the use for drugs,but bbs set off the danger alarm?dumb.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 8:08 PM

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asked if I was old enough to buy the sixers of ale and 2 bottles of White Zinfandel. I whipped out my DL and told her it's the one that says I'm over 21.
It was all she could do to keep from cracking up. A slow day I guess.
How's things out there in Never Never Land? Code Pink-o still harassing the U.S.M.C. in Berkeley?
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2 years 42 weeks ago, 10:22 AM

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ya,things are bad out here.welfare and gangs,unemployment is way up and so is the crime,liberal ex hippies who are more concerned with their own anti gun anti capitalist anti war agenda than actually fixing our broken and worsening system.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 10:43 AM

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sportsmans wearhouse cards?

I'm still waiting for my brand new .380 to come back from the factory service department. I sent it on the 14th of Feb.
2 weeks should, in my opinion, be long enough to repair a trigger pull issue.
But on the other hand, they see those guns every day, can't get excitied about them.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 11:14 AM

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so far i got a new turkey call,pitman brand "prestons new turkey tombstone"in camo,it sounds good. was going to use them toward a scope mount,but they don't carry any of the ones suggested to me here,or the leupold i was thinking about after finding out the burris P.E.P.R mount is made in china.....probably save the other one for a rainy day,or put it towards a set of 223 reloading dies

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 12:06 PM

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back to the original 10rd mag sys, toss the AK style mags into my 20 year box.
That means either buying a sight tool or going to a gunsmith.
The old iron sights work okay for me as long as they are screwed up in the same direction my eyes are :<))

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 12:13 PM

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you can pick up the sight tool for about $10 bucks if you shop online.think i paid about that for mine.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 12:28 PM

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`go. See you'uns later

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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thanks for the suggestions on mounts by the way! gg&g has taken the lead in my possible options for two reasons,it looks to take up less rail room than many mounts while remaining light and strong and i shopped one out for $127 online.the leupold is a close second because it matches my scope, is also usa made and is priced right about 100$ and won't require 30mm-1" ring adapters.all the other bases are waaay out of my price range at this time.100-200 is as deep as i can get on this item.still have to get a low pro gas block,the tools to make the swap from standard to ff hand guard trigger and buis when i can afford to upgrade from my present tube style ff hand guard to a 4 rail model.im not even close to where i want it to be yet.still gota be able to feed this thing too lol.at least when I'm dun swapping things around ill have lots of spare parts for another build.haha.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 12:37 PM

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Are you looking at the FLT? I use the FLT with a TR24G (3.2 in) which has pretty close eye relief to your leupy (3.7 in). You can get those ring reducers for $13-15. I don't know about the leupy mount, but I imagine you'll be happy with the GG&G. Yea, my spare parts bin has turned into two overflowing tubs. Any idea on which other parts you're going to go with?

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 12:21 AM

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reaper,ya its the flt.timney single stage trigger, either a rifle length yhm diamond series ff or a midwest,either a gg&g or ma-tech rear ranging buis.probably cant justify a jp gas block for this build since id prob never want to run it anywhere but full anyway,but maybe a troy,yhm,or rainier extended lo pro gas block that will hide the pin scars on my barrel.bcm charging handle with ambi latch for ease when using optics,and possibly a bcm bolt carrier group.later ill most likely change my moe stock for a ubr stock.this is an all around type carbine.not built for tactical purpose,but rather a hunting/fun/shit went really bad all around does everything ok,but isn't a "purpose built rifle"the only reason I'm even going with the 4 rail hand guards is ease of adding or removing sights/bipod/sling/ fore grips/brass catcher,as well as allowing me to cover them with magpul colored rail covers when not used.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 12:23 AM

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why reaper,you got some good deals on parts for me?haha.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 12:39 AM

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my billet ar15
so here is my first ar build,nothin fancy,but ill add on as i go. FEATURES. sonju billet matched gen 3 upper/lower,dpms 1:9 16" barrel,bolt/carier,trigger and handguard.rra buffer and tube.magpul miad grip/moe stock.havent put the freefloat hangguard on yet,waiting to get a scope and backup sights. OTHER FEATURES.sweet ca aproved 10 round magazine locked in by a bullet button plan to build a arger bore upper after completing the work on this one.i have another billet upper/lower and trigger.for my next build.ill start with the upper though so i can use it on my existing lower. this gun is really just for coyotes,and blazing away ammo at the range,was gona use a nikon scope maybe?with a burris one piece scope base.any suggestions on this or any other points?thanks guys.

american spirit arms
a buddy of mine built a 9mm dedicated ar15 asa upper.he gave me the freefloat handguard.looks just like this but rifle length. ive been wanting one for my ar project,(just been using a standard black m4 that dosnt mach my fde magpul stock and grip)and he likes vltor guards so i got a freebee.just gota get a picitini rail installed, backup sights,low pro gas block,and get a scope n my project is done.anyone know this company?i found some rails that seem exactly like what i need from yhm for their freefloat tubes for aprox $35 for 12" seems like they will work with minor gunsmithing.[nodeinsert nid=76744 size=full]anyone know of a better price for a rail that may work,or a rail blank?

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 10:50 AM

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I see it's got the weak ass CA mag. 10 round?

edit: nm, I read the caption now. So is it illegal to possess at all, or just with the rifle?

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 2:12 PM

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is what legal?a hi cap

is what legal?a hi cap magazine?if thats what you mean here goes....
(1)you may possess a high cap magazine if you had it before the assault weapons ban
(2)you may use a hi cap magazine only in (A) a registered assault weapon(B) in a featureless rifle featureless means no pistol grip,no bayonet lug,no muzzle threads capable of accepting a flash or sound suppressor no telescoping/folding stock,and i think lasers/flashlights,but certainly no grenade/flare launcher,and no night sights either if i remember correctly.
basically its easier to have all the goodies,and use a bullet button to make your magazine "non detachable" the term detachable magazine by ca dog definition means a magazine that can be removed without the use of a tool.a bullet button requires the insertion of a small object into the hole on the mag release button to drop the mag,so it isn't "detachable" you simply re install a "permanately attached magazine"when you change mags.
side note,its cheaper to buy 20 rd magpul mags and install a round limiter in them than it is to buy a metal 10 rd mag usually.super lame!!!

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 2:14 PM

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AR15s and AK47s are legal in California again! Below is an outline of how this is possible using a question then answer format followed by a factual, numbered statement. This information will always be kept up to date.

I thought all AR15/AK47 Series firearms were illegal?
In 2001, a California Supreme Court Decision (Harrott vs. County of Kings) clarified that SB23 could not ban AR15/AK47s by series, but must ban them by specific make and model number. The CA DOJ used as a reference the Kasler List which specified which firearms were banned. The CA DOJ admitted in 2005 that the Harrott decision was law and that receivers not listed specifically by make and model number in the Kasler List were legal to possess. Further in September 2006, Attorney General Bill Lockyer clearly laid out the legality of these receivers in a letter to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger as he wrote in support of AB2728. AB2728 passed and became law on January 1, 2007 and the Attorney General no longer has the ability to list AR15/AK47 Series firearms as assault weapons.

1. AR15/AK47 receivers not on the Kasler List are legal and are known as Off List Lowers/Receivers (OLL).

What about the ban on flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, pistol grips, and collapsible stocks?
Despite OLLs being legal, semi-automatic, centerfire rifles with a detachable magazine cannot have any one of the following features (PC 12276.1).

Flash Suppressor
Forward Pistol Grip
Flare/Grenade Launcher
Pistol Grip
Collapsible Stock
Thumbhole Stock
If your firearm does not have any of these prohibited or “evil” features, then you can have a detachable magazine. Note that bayonet lugs, laser sights, threaded barrels for rifles, nor anything else not listed are not “evil” features and can be used on a detachable magazine rifle.
You are also restricted from having.

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
2.a. Featureless Builds that utilize the MonsterMan Grip or U-15 Stock are legal.

Here are some examples of featureless builds.
MonsterMan Grip equipped rifle.

California Rifles U-15 equipped rifle.

There are even AR15 uppers that are dedictated .22 LR rimfire caliber and those rifles can possess all of the "evil features" you want because they are not a "semi-auto matic centerfire" rifle.

2.b. Rimfire rifles are not covered under PC 12276.1 and may have detachable magazines and evil features.

Spike's Tactical Dedicated .22 LR Upper

I don’t want a rifle with those “crazy” looking grips and stocks nor a whimpy .22 LR. What other options do I have?

We personally like our MonsterMan Gripped featureless rifles and would recommend at least owning one if you have lawfully possessed large-capacity magazines. However, we also enjoy owning and possessing many fixed magazine rifles as well.

Again PC 12276.1 says you cannot have a “semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following…” The main question is what does the law say a “detachable magazine” is? CCR 978.20(a)

““detachable magazine” means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool. Ammunition feeding device includes any belted or linked ammunition, but does not include clips, en bloc clips, or stripper clips that load cartridges into the magazine.”

If you have a semi-automatic, centerfire rifle that has a magazine that requires the use of a tool to remove, it does not meet the definition of a “detachable magazine” and as a result, the restrictions in PC 12276.1 do not apply.

3. Rifles that utilize a fixed magazine device like the Bullet Button or Prince50 Magazine Lock Kit can legally utilize flash suppressors, forward pistol grips, pistol grips, collapsible stocks, thumbhole stocks, and/or flare launchers.

Here are some examples of “fixed” magazine rifles.

Bullet Button equipped rifle with C Products 10/30 10 Round Magazine.

The Bullet Button device installs into a standard AR15 receiver. This device allows for a 10 round magazine to be removed from the rifle with the use of a tool, but not with your hands or fingers. Since it requires a tool every time, it does not meet the definition of a "detachable magazine".

Prince50 equipped rifle.

The Prince50 is a standard magazine button that has a second hole drilled through it in order to accomodate a small set screw. When this set screw is tightened into the reciever, it prevents the magazine button from being pushed in. As a result, the magazine cannot be removed. However, you cannot loosen or remove the set screw while there are evil features on the rifle because the button can then be pushed in with your finger, which does not require the use of a tool to remove, making the firearm a "detachable magazine" rifle. The only time the set screw should be removed is when the rifle no longer has any evil features or when removed outside of California.

I heard the CA DOJ issued a memo and made the Bullet Button and Prince50 illegal.

The California Department of Justice did two things to try and "clarify" the defintion of "capable of accepting" a detachable magazine. First they issued an undated memo stating in their opinion that "semiautomatic centerfire rifles that are modified to be temporarily incapable of accepting detachable magazines, but can be restored to accommodate detachable magazines, are assault weapons if they have any of the features listed in §12276.1(a)(1)." However, there is no basis for this opinion in the law. In fact, Firearms Enthusiast Gene Hoffman wrote the Office of Administrative Law and asked that the CA DOJ stop posting that memo on their website as it was creating "underground regulations". The CA DOJ has since removed the "Important Notice" from its website.

Gene Hoffman's Letter to the Office of Administrative Law and the CA DOJ Response

Second the CA DOJ actually submitted proposed changes to CCR 978.20 on June 27, 2006. After numerous comments from gun owners, the CA DOJ modified their submission on November 1, 2006. However, they did not submit the change to the Office of Administrative law by June 27, 2007 and the one year submission window closed and the definitions have not changed.

4. The CA DOJ memos are not law nor has the law changed. The definition of a detachable magazine has not changed and the Bullet Button and Prince50 kits do not meet the defintion of a "detachable magazine".

What about non-AR15 rifles?
These same rules apply to all centerfire detachable magazine rifles. That means if you wanted to buy an off list AK47 receiver or rifle, it would be legal as long as you complied with the assault weapon rules contained in PC 12276.1. The Harrott vs. County of Kings case was about an AK47, not an AR15.

5. The Harrott decision was about AR/AK series rifles. The same rules apply to AK47s.
Azex AK47 Rifle with MonsterMan Grip

Russian American Armory Saiga Rifle

I heard that Saigas are listed and illegal.

If you refer to the Kasler List, you will see that under the Kasler list, the "Kalashnikov USA - Hunter Rifle / Saiga" is a listed AK Series Weapon. However, that is a Kalashnikov USA manufacturered/imported Saiga and not the Russian American Armory made rifle.

To help clarify the situation, look at the rest of the Kasler List. You will notice in both sections that the model numbers AK-47, AK47, and AR-15 are listed under several different manufacturers/importers. If it was sufficient to just ban all Saigas, then why did they still list the model numbers AK-47, AK47, and AR-15 by several different manufacturers/importers? The Harrott decision specifically stated that you cannot ban these firearms by series, but they must be banned by specific make and model. If a new company like Stag creates a "Stag - AR-15", it will not fall under the Kasler List just because there is a "Colt - AR-15".

6. Russian American Armory Saigas are not specifically listed in the Kasler List and are legal to possess and own in California.

Has the California Department of Justice given official approval of any of this?
Ever since the first letters originated from the CA DOJ regarding OLLs, a flood of off list receivers and CA compliant rifles have been imported and built in California. No matter what the intentions of those original letters were, the reality is those letters were directly responsible for the importation of legal semi-automatic rifles that the anti-gun lobby would rather law-abiding citizens did not own or possess.

As a result, the CA DOJ has all but stopped issuing opinion letters on the legality of any OLL related products. Initially the CA DOJ attempted to modify or “clarify” regulations to limit fixed magazine builds. However, this attempt increased the sales of featureless builds and eventually ended in failure when the time window to officially submit their revisions expired.

What liberty minded citizens should know is they do not need permission from their government to exercise their rights and participate in lawful commerce. The DOJ has not approved nor disapproved of any of the fixed magazine devices or alternative grips and stocks. This FAQ was created to give the consumer a clear reference to the penal code and regulations required to remain in compliance with the law.

In the end the consumer is responsible for knowing the legality of their purchases and to also ensure that their firearms comply with all federal, state, and local laws. At Ten Percent Firearms we have been lawfully selling and gunsmithing AR15 rifles since December 2005. We are comfortable in exercising our rights and we are also comfortable in defending our actions with law enforcement and if necessary in a court of law.

If you have read this FAQ and are not comfortable purchasing AR15 or AK47 rifles, then you should not buy them. If you have read this information and have seen that these firearms are indeed legal, we can help meet all of your California compliant (and most of your out of California) AR15 rifle needs.

For more detailed information you can refer to the Bill Wiese California AR/AK Series Assault Weapon FAQ, the new Calguns.net CA Assault Weapon ID Flowchart or e-mail us at guns@tenpercentfirearms.com

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"assault" rifles. It looks like they are determined to never mature and join the grown ups in the real world.
Mercy...

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thats right.really its about control,not about safety,or crime.for instance can anyone here tell me of one singe instance where a .50 bmg has been used in a crime??????????????california banned them as a dangerous "destructive device"to keep us all safe from ourselves.why?not one single case has involved them in the USA as far as i know,let alone the state of california.detachable mags are scary and pistol grips are scary,and flash suppressors are scary.....etc.they are afraid of the weapons,not the bad guys and thats the problem.

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The MS13, crips & the bloods stand by for the order to "fix bayonets!"
I've never heard of a street criminal describing his personal preference as being a flash suppressor

Calif. Govmnt, they are children trying to out boogyman each other.
I can imagine a criminal lugging a Barrett .50 to a crime scene, How about setting one up to use in a drive-by shooting?

I'm really pleased that some of the "assault rifle" laws were tossed. I think I posted something a while back about Olympic Shooting Team pistols had to be waivered because the $2000+ guns were illegal in Ca.
Like a criminal is going to buy a $2000 .22 and go on a crime spree.

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oh really,never read that post about the olympic shooting team pistols.out boogieman each other is right.like i said,its about control,not safety or crime.since the assault weapons ban crime hasn't gone down,and if "assault weapons"have been used less in crimes its because there are less out there to steal and use in criminal endeavors.

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It sounds like you'll have a kick ass rifle when you're finished. So you can have a brake/comp as long as it's not classified as a flash supressor, correct? If so, I would suggest getting one because they're pretty good at reducing felt recoil and muzzle jump which gets you back on target quicker. Anyone shooting around you will hate your guts and they're not the best for shooting prone, but its still a good upgrade. A couple that I like are the BC 2.0 and the PWS FSC 556.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XBC20Blk&name=Battle+Comp+2....
http://www.primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=9
Lastly, if you have a regular carbine buffer I've found that upgrading to a heavier buffer like a H2 or spikes T2 helps. It slows down the cycling just a bit and feels a lot smoother. I have the ST-T2 in both of my ARs right now.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ST-T2-Heavy-Buffer-by-Spikes-Tactical-p/s...

Those Kali laws are ass backwards. I was glad to see that AZEX got some love under #5. Looks like Derek is tapping into the CA market.

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2 years 42 weeks ago, 11:29 AM

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reaper,i can have a flash suppressor because I've got a "permanently attached magazine" by californias definition so i may install all the "evil features" i want without reasonable expectation of prosecution.i like that comp/supressor from primary,that might be just the ticket.ill probably throw one of those buffers in there when I've got the money,and after I've got the 4 rail hand guard and buis.these things are the chevy small block of rifles...you can spend a little for a little,or spend allot if you want to "go big"or if your not careful.unfortunately i started my build at a time in life when i have extremely minimal funding.poor me!!!!!

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heavy buffers

So I have an AR not in 5.56, but a little heavier and a little quieter...
Would It benefit me to upgrade the buffer and spring?
Say something like this:
http://www.heavybuffers.com/ar15carbine.html XH Carbine Buffer

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I don't really know as I don't have experience with anything that heavy. At 8.25oz, they're heavier than a H3 buffer (5.4oz). It depends on the ammo that you're shooting, but at some point the heavier the buffer is, you'll start short stroking. I just don't know where the line is with your loads. It claims to be designed for your needs. You can always try one and if it's too heavy, go down to an H2 or H3 (or spikes equivalent T2 or T3). Don't you have adjustable gas?

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adjustable gas

Reap,
yes I have an adjustable gas block. 2 settings. I am ignorant of the physics required to determine which buffer works the best. As my upper, ammo, and suppressor were designed by the same company, I should be ok as long as I have the correct setting on my gas block, correct?

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I would think so, but as with anything new I would run it for a bit before I was confident

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ended up with a gg&g mount

GG&G FLT MOUNT

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Nice mount

Looks good Jay,
Is it illegal in california to have quick disconnect levers on optic mounts? lol

now lets see the glass on the rifle.

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nice jay

thats the same one I have except mine is the accucam QD model. Good choice.

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haha clint.ill check and get back to you on that'll.ill post pick as soon as i get it mounted.still need a lo pro gas block,and gotta get the upper receiver vice block/barrel nut wrench.dont wan a pay 30 bucks for the local shop to do it for me,thats about half the cost of the tools to do it whenever i need to.

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I forgot to mention... above you said you were looking into a matech or ggg rear buis. I don't know about the ggg but I have a matech and the FLT doesn't give me enough height to use it with my accupoint tr24 . I had to use a troy buis instead. The troy fits with no problem. The matech is just a hair to tall. I tried looking up the difference in outside diameter between your leupy and my accupoint. I believe my ocular diameter is 42mm (1.65 in) while yours is listed as 1.6 in. I have a feeling that it's going to be too close. The old lady has the camera with her. When she gets home I'll see if I can show you.

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thanks for the info.maybe ill get lucky!fingers are crossed! hopefully my ocular will be back just far enough to get a ranging rear buys under the scope.

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jay buis

Why don't you look at dueck defense? Or are you trying to stay on a minimalist budget?

http://dueckdefense.com/

This is what I want to put on my ACR, I have an ACOG, which is good for long shots, but I need offset irons because of the height difference, similar to what reaper mentioned. If I am going to spend the money on Troys, I figure Dueck should not be counted out either.

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ranging rear buis

KAC makes a micro 300m and a micro 200-600m buis. I believe they are quite a bit lower than the matech

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2 years 41 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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RTS sights

RRA has them listed in their catalog for around $140.00 for the pair. Not on their web site, but in the 2012 catalog. I hunt around and find the part number and post it in a bit.

I'm keeping the Troys with the rifle, besides they have RUGER on their face so selling them wouldn't give me what they are worth.

But, I like the idea of the RTS so much so that I have the Troys on 45 degree mounts right now with the Nikon above.. Working ok this way, but rather have the RTS hands down.

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rts sights.a good idea,don't get me wrong,but as this is not a tactical weapon,and i don't need to quickly transition from glass to iron they don't seem the proper choice for this project.i don't want the coyotes to laugh at me,and call me a tacticool mall ninja poser.lol.

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fuck tacticool... I see bozos all dressed up in tacti-drag playing at the range all the time who have never served a day in their life. But boy they can speak it and they can dress it.

I happen to be friends with active operators and retired ones alike and I'll be damned if they would play dress up like the Tacticool crowd.

The RTS sites are a top choice as a back up for an AR topped off with multi-powered Optics. Red Dots do fail, Irons never decide to not work, the batteries never run down and you never ever have to replace a diode.

Though an RMR or Delta Point would be nice, I doubt I will install either as buis alternative.

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wasn't implying that you or clint were part of that crowd for suggesting rts sights,just they aren't what this build is about.ya,i don't get these guys...see some at our local range some times(think they are snipers cuz they can hit a milk jug at 100 yds with a scope on their sks.not bragin,but they seem in awe when my buddy and me do dueling 10/22's at 400,with open sights on a flywheel we put waaaay up the hill past where others shoot,or pop sporting clays at 200...nothing wrong with having the tactical type weapons at all,just don't feel i need one yet,and certainly don't need to "train"(loose use of the word)with full battle dress including a plate carrier vest-the PLATE!!!!! laughable.i just don't like not having iron sights,glass breaks,and can be knocked out of zero...a fight,or a hunt won't stop for time out,so i want ranging buys,but I'm not expecting to be killing zombies,or the taliban so i can take 5 seconds out and grab the wrench necessary to remove my optics and use flip up top mounted irons.

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mount and BUIS pics

FLT with TR24 and Troy BUIS – a little room left

GG&G ACOG mount with Matech BUIS – you can see that this is cutting it close because of the matech height

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nice pics reaper.

drooling on my keyboard...
I've done some math for my clearance issues and i may not be to bad off (it says here in the book...)haha.
center of rings to the top of rail on GG&G flt is ______________1.460"
leupold ocular diamiter is 1.600" half that is (from center point)__.80"
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-----------------------------------------------------leaving a remaining__ .66"
had GG&G measure the closed height of ranging rear _______- .56"
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_________________________________________________+ .10" clearance(in a perfect world) ill cross that bridge when i come to it though.kinda putting the cart before the horese since i have not yet mounted my scope,nor purchased the other goodies needed for operation free float.haha.

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