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2 years 23 weeks ago, 8:24 AM

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There is information that alleges that on January 26, 2012, a GA state court heard evidence which purports to demonstrate, in the end result, that B H Obama is not qualified to be placed on the election ballot. If you consult Google, you will find more information. Allegedly, neither Obama, who had been subpoened, nor his attorney, showed up for this hearing. If this information is true, this could be the start of legal actions that could end up in the courts of other States, as well as ultimately, in the Federal courts.

Without trying to be overly dramatic, IMO, this could become one of the most momentous events in the history of the USA.

Stay tuned!

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 9:59 AM

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Since the courts are usually very concerned about backlash from liberal activists I'm not overly optimistic.

Reversing the obama presidency would be the high point in my life (so far) since it would take the liberal's icon and shove it up their asses. Nice thought.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 10:28 AM

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My fantasy is to have an unchallenged disqualification of BHO in Georgia, then have other states pick it up, then have a challenge in the federal courts all the way to the SCOTUS, and have the SCOTUS find BHO is NOT a natural born citizen. I wonder what would become of every official act over the three years+ of an invalid presidency. I would hope that BHO would be prosecuted for defrauding a federal election process.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 10:54 AM

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he has performed would stand as legal until reviewed and rescinded. To vacate them en masse would be improvident, total mayhem possible.

You recall the Army medical officer who refused to deploy to Afstan until obama proved he was legally the prez? The Major should have thought it through. obama was and is legally the president until Congress removes him.
If the courts find him guilty of fraud everything he does until Congress strips him of the office is legal.
If he is found guilty watch for some extreme last minute desperate acts by him as president.
Can Congress leave him as president but keep him on ice until the courts act?
Seems unconstitutional but prudent.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 11:10 AM

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Yea I read this a week or so ago. Haven't heard anything recently about it, let hope it goes all the way and we get him removed. History INDEED!!

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 11:54 AM

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might become. If 30, 40 or more states were to reach the "same" conclusion that BHO is in fact not a native born citizen, and thus is not qualified to be on the ballot, the election might have to be postponed for the first time in our history. OR, perhaps it would be conducted on the basis of the ballots otherwise legally constructed, which would mean either the Dems quickly certify a new candidate, or rely upon write-ins. My guess is, if BHO were removed, the VP would succeed him as Pres, and thus, might be able legally, to review and certify the previous actions of the "in-valid "president.

The fundamental question--of great importance IMO, is, if indeed this fraud is proven, WHO conspired in designing and carrying it out, AND WHAT was their purpose---that is, what end result were they hoping to achieve!!??

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 12:17 PM

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conspirators are? They would, conjecture here, be the entire liberal population of the world so anxious to get a negro into the presidency that any question of eligibility would be moot.
Not just any negro but the son of a weirdly liberal woman, a negro with a 100% liberal pedigree.
I would speculate that there was initially no prime objective, the presidency fell into their lap.
If there had been a grand scheme the socialist/Muslim agenda would have gotten much further by now.
Imagine the presidency of Condoleezza Rice. That would have been a hallmark for all black people, a point of pride but no, they have shit-for-brains as their 1st president. It's a pity.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 12:10 PM

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How can a judge dictate the removal of a candidate? Is that not the judgement of the Secretary of State? How does the Law address this?

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 12:28 PM

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occupy the presidency.
If obama's case of eligibility goes to trial and he is found to be ineligible to hold office he will stay President of the United States until Congress removes him or he loses the election.
If he's found guilty of a crime and is sent to jail he is president until congress removes him or he loses the election.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 12:46 PM

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control who appears on their ballot[s]. Thus, if there is a fundamental question about whether BHO is a valid natural born citizen [as is required by the consitution], they have the right to satisfy themselves, that requirement has been met. The Judge, in this case is an Administrative Law judge--meaning one who examines whether the GA election process regulations are being properly followed, [due process]. My guess is, even if this judge rules against BHO's candidacy, the question will be elevated as far as the GA Supreme Court. If the GASC upholds the lower courts' negative findings, BHO will not appear on the GA ballots.
I would call this due process, although I can understand why someone might consider this dictatorial.
Multiply this by 30 or 40 states and the election process is in chaos. This has nothing directly to do with whether BHO would be/could be removed from office, unless the SCOTUS examines the case. You will remember they have studiously refused to hear the case up to the present.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 12:52 PM

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Thank you for that, it helps me understand a bit better. I always thought that the SoS had the final say in who was on the ballot[s] in accordance with the Constitution.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 12:45 PM

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DC, I get that

But this case, the one in Georgia is about whether or not Barak Obama is a natural born citizen based on having one parent a British subject, so would be classified the same way as we classify those born from emissaries or embassies, then is he eligible to be listed on the ballot for the office of POTUS?
If the judge gives a default judgement because Obama does not show up, what would it mean? Can a default judgement force the SoS to act? Or is this a waste of time and money?

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 1:12 PM

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In the case of Sen. McCain. McCain was throughly investigated by the democrats to see if he was a "Natural Born" citizen. He was born to 2 parents who were born U.S. citizens.

Regardless of any other evidence, obama's daddy was a British subject, according to the Constitution as I understand it obama is NOT eligible to appear on the Georgia State ballot.

I do not know if there is such a thing as a default judgement in this case.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 12:48 PM

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question!!

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 1:01 PM

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clarification, maybe

The way I read the case was that the judge was determining whether Obama was eligible to be on the ballot based on the 14th Amendment and the fact that his father was a British subject. The question concerning the Father's relationship with a foreign country was the basis of the trial presented by the plaintiffs. That it could be argued he was the son of a diplomat and therefore not a citizen of the United States of America.
With the interpretation I laid out (hopefully with more clarification) Can the judge force the SoS to eliminate Obama from the ballot[s]? Or is this just another footnote in the long running production of "birther" conspiracy?

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p.s. LLE answered much of my question in his last post, talk about proactive!!

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 1:19 PM

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Clint, check this

Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:35 AM

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you described is IMO a weak one compared to the testimony now on the record. If you want, I can email some interesting info from the hearing. I need an address via PM.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 1:44 PM

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Published 1-27-12
For four long years, compelling evidence has been available that challenges the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to occupy the White House.

In fact, I would say the evidence that he does not meet the simple requirements of the law is overwhelming.

But it was not until Thursday that the evidence – any of it – was heard in a single courtroom in America.

Not until very recently has any of it been examined by any official public proceeding or reviewed by any agency of government.

They say the wheels of justice grind slowly, but this is ridiculous.

The good news for the rule of law is what happened in a Georgia courtroom this week and what is happening in the office of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department in Arizona. Justice may yet prevail.

In the courtroom of Judge Michael Malihi of the Georgia Office of State Administrative Hearings, sworn testimony was delivered rapid-fire over two hours to the effect that Obama is not qualified to have his name on the 2012 presidential ballot because his father was not a U.S. citizen, which precludes him from being a “natural-born citizen,” a clear, unambiguous requirement of the Constitution.

Obama refused to honor a subpoena to attend the hearing, produce records answering the charges or even send legal representation to dispute the evidence. Instead, they sent a letter to Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp suggesting the judge was letting attorneys “run amok.”

In response, Kemp warned Obama and his counsel that if they chose not to participate in the proceedings, “you do so at your own peril.”

The judge is expected to rule in the case shortly. However, he has little choice but to issue a default judgment in favor of the challenge – potentially removing Obama from the ballot in Georgia in November.

That would be an astonishing development to the major media in this country that have collectively scoffed at and caricatured the notion that there is any doubt as to Obama’s eligibility.

And that’s not the only eligibility worry for Obama. Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse” has been investigating Obama’s eligibility for months and is expected to issue preliminary findings soon. This is the very first official law enforcement probe of the evidence.

Unlike the other major contestant in the 2008 election, John McCain, who faced a U.S. Senate investigation over his eligibility, no agency of government, no branch of government – local, state or federal – ever investigated Obama’s bona fides to be on the ballot or to serve in the White House, despite the fact that his own life story, as recounted in his autobiography, more than suggests he is not legally qualified.

Then, of course, there’s the matter of the much-debated birth certificate – first withheld by Obama for years, then produced just as a book titled “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” by two-time No. 1 New York Times best-selling author and WND senior staff writer Jerome Corsi hit the top of the best-seller charts weeks prior to its actual release.

Again, overwhelming evidence points to that document’s fraudulence. But, even in the highly unlikely event that it is genuine and accurate, it represents further evidence of Obama’s ineligibility because it would represent documentation that his father was a non-citizen of the U.S.

All of these details have been meticulously and thoroughly reported only two places – here in the pages of WND over the last four years and in Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” and in an e-book sequel titled “Where’s the Real Birth Certificate?”

Meanwhile, for our trouble, we have been systematically vilified for providing the facts – a classic case of “killing the messenger.”

Thank the Lord there are still Americans somewhere in government who care more about justice and the rule of law than being popular in the media and “politically correct.”

I wonder what all those scoffers and mockers are going to say if and when Obama’s name does not appear on the ballot in Georgia and perhaps other states?

Will they report it? Will they label these actions “racist”? Will they continue to misrepresent the facts and the truth?

Things are about to get very interesting.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 3:24 PM

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elk v wilkins 1884

If I understand the case correctly, babies born in the U.S.A. from non citizens are not U.S. citizens.
quoted from 14thamendment.com
The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens.

I think this just clarifies section 1 article 2 of the Constitution.

So basically, the "anchor" babies are not U.S. citizens.

Let me know if I interpreted it correctly.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 4:33 PM

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being prez.

Children born in the United States are citizens. The latest incarnation of that allows illegals to have babies in the U.S. and claim they are citizens. That flies in the face of plain common sense, it's liberal bullshit!

A guinea comes to the U.S. and upon arrival has a baby, ma & pa wop become citizens. The baby is a U.S. citizen BUT CANNOT be president. Mommy & Daddy spaghetti bender were not born in the U.S. The kid can grow up to be anything except prez and vice prez.

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2 years 23 weeks ago, 4:45 PM

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a result of his daddys citizenship baby obama were subject to a foreign power, England.

"The Civil Rights Act of 1866 had already granted U.S. citizenship to all persons born in the United States, as long as those persons were not subject to a foreign power; the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment added this principle into the Constitution to prevent the Supreme Court from ruling the Civil Rights Act of 1866 to be unconstitutional for lack of congressional authority to enact such a law and to prevent a future Congress from altering it by a mere majority vote".

You see how "anchor baby" citizenship is a load of shit?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:31 AM

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But, thinking about all of the above, there is an additional potential rib-tickler. Neither BHO nor his attorney showed up for the hearing. That means, they could potentially be held in contempt of court, and subject to the penalties prescribed in the Georgia statutes. Would it not be interesting for the POTUS to have an arrest warrant pending?! There may be some obscure immunity for the POTUS, but if not, the headlines would be precious.

On a more serious note: I hope it is not a default judgment. A judgment on the basis of the testimony would be far more valuable for the people of the USA!!

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:40 AM

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beat it some more..........I agree LLE, if nothing else it would certainly prove to be a huge black eye (no pun intended:-) for Obummer, especially in an election year.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:54 AM

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devinely to be hoped for!!

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love this thread..

Weighing in for the first time.. On an emotional vs logical levil im amazed that there's no question as to the timing of Hawaii just "happening" to find his BC, this after 18 months of fighting with law firms from 5 states, and only after it was picked up and examined seriously by the media.. The disparaging term "birther" was still used, and those questioning O were marginalized.. but after Trump of all people said he was going to look into it the BC is magically found.. let me just do a little mamas and papas.. do you belive in magic..

My guess is that Geo will rule he's not eligible. it will go to the court of appeals (overseen by DOJ) and be nixed.. This will never be seen by SCOTUS.. so sad..

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will bury the fucker so deep, it will never see the light of day much less SCOTUS......

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 7:34 PM

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The logical sequence IMO, is the following, IF IT GETS ELEVATED TO THE GA SUPREME COURT, and they support a finding that BHO is ineligible to be on the ballot-He is Not going to be on the ballot

Other State administrations (especially Republican), are going to look at that, and say [if nothing else than from a political standpoint] we cannot afford to ignore what happened in Georgia. Our citizenry will be clamoring for our own examination of the facts. Therefore we must examine the question for ourselves, through our own structure, and then be able to say that the question was subjected to due process and the decision arrived at is defensible.

If that happened in--say 30 of the biggest States, and all, or almost all agreed with the Georgia decision, the Dems essentially have no candidate. If his name were written-in in those States, those votes would be invalidated and not counted. You think he could be elected on the strength of 20 States where his name IS on the ballot?

Finally--IF something like that were to happen, there would be enormous socio-political pressure on the SCOTUS, to examine the case that they stonewalled hearing so many times in the past. No Attorney General would dare to try to dictate further stonewalling, under those circumstances. So, the SCOTUS WILL HAVE TO hear the case in order to either validate or invalidate the State court decisions.

All of that is going to take time, and it could result in the first presidential election to be postponed, pending SCOTUS' decision.

I think that would make a good novel/movie also.
NB to Greg: I think the creativity bug has bit me, for good or not so good.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 7:52 PM

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To what end?

I would be surprised if anything comes of this. I would think that if there was any shred of evidence that he was not eligible, the GOP would have found it long ago.

But for argument's sake, let's say they do. Would it do any good at this point? I don't know what repercussions this would have. Would it invalidate all bills, executive orders, and appointments made?

And how would his vacancy be filled? Would Biden move up? If so, I'm sure he'd validate everything Obungler has already done.

Thoughts?

in edit:
This is in regards to current term. As to his 2012 campaign, the Dems would run Hillary instead, and I really don't see that changing the landscape at all.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:01 PM

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St.JMB, you said:

"I would think that if there was any shred of evidence that he was not eligible, the GOP would have found it long ago."

It's not just a shred it's the constitution and U.S. supreme court case law. obama has told the world he is not eligible in some of his many autobiograpies.
The GOP and the entire world knows obama is not eligible to be president. The courts have refused to hear the MANY cases that have been brought up to now.
Republican congressmen are scared shitless of being called names by the press, they won't bring an investigation in, gutless.
The Georgia case is different, no one there is concerned about being called silly names.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:13 PM

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Georgia is concerned ONLY with one thing at present:

Is he or is he not eligible to have his name placed on the ballot?
If they find he is not eligible, his name will not be on the ballot.

Multiply that action times 20 or 30 States. I doubt he could be elected on that basis.
Yes, I am certain the Dems will try to litigate that. If so, that very nicely forces the copious evidence to be escalated to the Federal courts.

Whether or not his previous presidency may be invalidated is a whole other case.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:12 PM

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I'm not talking about the law. The law is clear. But I would imagine if there was existing evidence that would prove without a shadow of a doubt that he isn't, the GOP would have found it. I can just imagine the kind of money they've spent on doing that. I would like it to happen, but my question is, if it does, then what?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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There is copious evidence and that evidence has been heard for the first time anywhere officially, in a Georgia court.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:31 PM

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sounds good. But as a hypothetical, say it goes all the way to the supreme court and they find what we all already know, that he is an unamerican, muslim, bastard child and they invalidate his presidency. How is that handled? That was what I was trying to find out. I'm pretty sure there is no current procedure for such a thing. Is there any hope that his bungling can be reversed?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:54 PM

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in Georgia is deciding whether obama's name will appear on the ballot. If they decide no that's the end of that...in Georgia, no obama on the ballot.
That could and probably would lead a few other states to consider if he qualifys to be on their state's ballot, if not he won't. End of the issue. No obama on the ballot.
If the scenerio plays out as we hope obama will simply not get the needed votes to win because he'll not get any votes at all from some states.
Simple, huh? :<))

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:56 PM

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Oh, OK

So states can individually decide whether a candidate can be on their ballot? That would be cool. b/c, if Georgia does, you're right, at least 20 other states will follow. That's a good FU, Obummer!

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:43 PM

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the issue in your mind because this is potentially such a huge deal that it cannot be real therefore it is just political noise.
Trust me, it's real. "Watergate" was small time bs.

Read back through this tread for specifics

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In my mind, I believe that he shouldn't be eligible. But that's not what I was getting at. I am just wondering if anyone knows what would happen if the Supreme Court invalidates him. What's the effect? Will that overturn all he's done? Because, obviously, if he isn't eligible in 2012, he wasn't in 2008. So, does that mean Obamacare is negated? Will all his supreme court appointments become invalid? I know that there isn't currently any defined process for an ineligible president, so what do you think will happen if/when the decision is made?

Personally, I would love to see all his appointments (Holder, Sotomayer, Kagan), executive orders (gun registration), and laws signed (Obamacare, PACT, tarp 2) overturned and/or negated.

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is sworn in.
If it plays out that he is not on the ballot in enough states he'll simply lose the election.

Going back to the previous election and correcting the error is not do-able. Congress would have to conduct investigations, proceed with an impeachment, the senate would have to have a trial.
Won't happen in a world where anyone who dislikes any of his programs is a flamin' racist. No guts in congress.

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Yeah, that's what I would expect. Obungler can't even screw up right. Too bad.

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If the SCOTUS were to find BHO is not a natural born citizen, that means his taking office having known that, is fraud; he defrauded a governmental election process, and probably perjured himself. Those are federal offenses, and therefore, the criminal prosecution process would have to be commenced. In order to do that he would be at least temporarily removed from the presidency under the concept of "failure to qualify", pending the outcome of the trial. [ 25th amendment gives the VP a procedure to have him removed]. If found guilty, the judgement [moral turpitude] plus the ex post facto discovery of no natural born status would be enough to remove him permanently from office, and the VP would become president. You do not have to impeach under these conditions, because the impeachment process is a TRIAL, and a SCOTUS ruling[trial in the highest court in the land] plus a fraud trial have already occurred.

If that were to happen, IMO, the VP, as the new president would have to [theoretically] review and reapprove all instruments that were approved by the the invalidated president, if he found each to be acceptable. That may be physically impossible to do even in his first year in office, without improperly discharging the rest of the duties of the president, so this Democratic Republic would be challenged to create an alternate, yet constitutional procedure to revalidate those items passed on by the Invalidated president.

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in the Supreme Court unless obama takes it there on appeal.

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If all that action took place in the State courts [like in Georgia] and 20 or 30 found he could not be placed on their ballots, it seems to me that there would be a massive public outcry especially from those who believe the evidence that was heard {even} 20 or 30 times is not valid, and it must be decided in the federal court system. Under these serious circumstances, I believe the DEMS would petition the SCOTUS to hear the case without any lower federal court input.

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which would drop the case into the federal court system. Is that how the system works? I'm on the outer limits of law knowlege here.

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the government's presentation to a federal grand jury, and BHO's attorney would defend his interests. If indicted, BHO would go to trial in a Washington, DC lower level federal court.

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believe to be uncharted waters but I know for a fact that as long as he were not found guilty of anything he and his minions would fight tooth and nail to keep him in office. Going through all the motions and descovery would most likely carry him into his 3rd or 4th term as prez so this is probably a moot issue. I would hope that the next prez would not give obama blanket amnesty.

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[this is a little tricky] BHO allegedly committed a fraud on a federal election process BEFORE he was elected "president". Thus, he was a private citizen albeit a US Senator also, when the first criminal acts were perpetrated.. He has no immunity as a Senator, and so he would appear as a private citizen before the grand jury. WHAT 3rd or 4th terms!!?? Only two are permitted. Even if he was indicted and tried and found not guilty of fraud, there would still be the matter of a presumed SCOTUS review of his status as a natural born citizen. If Scotus upheld the State courts what could keep him in office??

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Lighten up LLE,

"WHAT 3rd or 4th terms!!?? Only two are permitted."

EVEN I know the prez is limited BUT the motions and the discovery process is going to drag on and on most likely for years---get it? a long time? longer than an imagenary 3rd or 4th term?? :>))

I seriously doubt he will see the inside of a courtroom while he is in office. The process takes too long. If he is reelected, maybe.

Anything and everything the prosecution asks for will be "executive privilege". Every minor detail will be appealed and challenged, every motion you could imagine will be asked for.
You'll be old and grey before this mess is settled LOL!

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Franklin D. Roosevelt did three terms as President, but it was before the 22nd amendment,

hehe, she won't that specific thing again !

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If we are talking about an indictment and trial for fraud- he will not be in office, because the VP and Cabinet will invoke the procedure provided by the 25th amendment to "remove" him. So let the discovery process drag on for how ever long it takes!!

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may not appear on some state ballots, no grand crescendo just a few comments about racists that hate a black because he's president.
obama will fade into the sunset with his overstuffed retirement and secret service for life. A new career giving speeches at $650,000 per show.
As much as I'd love to see it, obama will never wear a striped suit or Sheriff Joe's pink undies. Dammit :<))

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R. Emmett Tyrrell's article. I thought it was a good one.

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/02/exit-newt

Go to town and spend money like a crazy man time, see all y'all later !!

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I'll be waiting with a bottle of something and my dick in my hand. ;)

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holds what LOL !!!!!!!!!

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lol

I don't think I'll confuse it. I've had lot's of practice. Where's Vaq? He's usually on by now.

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IDK, Vaq and Greg are 'thick as thieves' (read, friends) and neither are on at the moment, hell! maybe the got a life!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha!

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a bottle of something and my dick in my hand.. you applying for BATFE now or what.. this is a great thread, and if we look at it seriously.. WOW.. Guys were seeing history in the making..

This could easily be the biggest thing that we will ever see in our life time.. BUT. If thats the case, why aren't we already hearing about this on any of the news shows.. I'm afraid this must be some sort of nonstarter.. and obviously like all of you i don't want it to be.. But if Fox news is not running the story, im guessing there's a reason..

For those of you who are to young to remember Watergate, and the loss (thru resignation) of our first living POTUS. it was one unforgettable moment after another.. If this develops per LEE, and i think we can all see that he's right and how that could escalate..Should that happen then yep our old bud Daisy is on the money this makes Watergate a kids toy..

Neat that were living history. Sad that it has to happen, but im sure our gov will survive.. Good thing we have the "standing militia" at the moment to insure that it does..

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I don't know. Probably many news outlets are "hands off" right now to avoid embarrassment. That's probably the case for but Fox and other conservative or neutral outlets. The rest (CNN, MSNBC, etc) are not going too regardless and will probably try to divert attention away from it at all costs.

Fuckers.

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is the realm of mortal combat between the forces of good and assholes. Best way for the "news" people to get cut off @ the knees is to spread this knowlege far and wide opening the eyes of the unwashed masses.

George Soros does not want the general public to have any reason to NOT vote for obama. Soros, WW2 nazi collaborator. Won't read that in the NYTs either

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How dare they do that and abandon us? lol

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that whole "not worried about the poor" is of course nothing, but when your talking to Soledad.. Come on.. you don't say stuff like that ..least you shouldn't at that levil.. sorta sophomoric to be honest.. I can see one of us.. ok me..saying it, but not someone running for pres..

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thats the crap

i don't like,Romney said nothing wrong,the media and the baffoons jumped on a small sound bite,if a person can'tstand up and make a statement and have it judged as a total,then no wonder these politicians say nothing but their lips move any way.

i say Mitt stepped on nothing,the media and baffoons were allowed to rear their ugly heads,when are the people going to wake up and demand that these talking heads need to be accountable for their words.i would take offense at the people that misconstrued what mitt said,not mitt....and what a weird name...mitt.geez.

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He needs to think about how he is going to say something before he speaks.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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what he said

was merely a portion of a greater statement,with a before and after,of the sound bite.

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I read the full transcripts, I understand what you are saying but even his whole statement was a bit stooge-ish...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_v...

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Sophmoric?

I can tell you this much, if he is the Republican Nominee then the Republican Party is not going to get anywhere in the Presidential Election...

Seriously, they think that the disaffected youth came out and voted for Obama last time? The turn outs will be nothing like last time...

I wonder how many "Middle Class" mothers with children to feed are watching their Husbands working 2 and three jobs while they work one while taking care of the home and kids or vise versa?

Those same people, I wonder how many of them consider themselves to be on the brink of being Poor.

Very Poor, she should have had him define what his position on what very poor is. I mean he paid what in Taxes at the rate of 15% ? How many Million? for what, one year?

There really wasn't all that many that turned out in Florida, the Republican Party was busy being not Very Poor...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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I wish I was one of those husbands you mentioned that had 2 or three jobs. Hell, I would be happy with 1. I do not know many people with more than one job anymore. But that may be due to demographics...

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in all seriousness, there are jobs to be had in Florida in some areas and none in others.

I have a few friends that shuffles 2 and 3 part time jobs to make their house payments and monthly bills, late most times...

I have friends who are business owners who are letting people go and doing the work themselves. People they have had working for them for years.

Something that is shown on the CNN Elections Center for the State of Florida is the district by district break down. Romney only won the densely populated areas where Corporations are centered. In the rural areas he lost hands down.

There are 4,061,224 Republican Voters registered, 1,648,034 showed up to vote for the Primary. This includes mail in votes (absentee ballots) and walk in... 2,413,190 did not show up or mail in a ballot.

That is allot of people not showing interest, though not sure what it means other than they don't care who wins the nomination...

There are 4,552,483 Democrats and 2,269,248 Independents ...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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Mitt paid 15% on his capital gains,as allowed by law,he has money making money for him.If he was working a regular job,he would be taxed at the same level as anyone else,thats another twist of the facts,check http://www.politifact.com/ see if that helps

once again,Mitt paid what he was supposed to by law and comparing what he was taxed on and what some worker is taxed on is two different tax tables,apples and oranges,but the media and the baffoons would have us think otherwise,cocksuckers.

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I don't think it will be a question of if he paid exactly what he should have or not. What I do think it will do is cause people to think, feel and believe he really doesn't give a shit about them and has no clue just what Poor means in todays economy.

Which is the reason I say he needs to think through what he is going to say and how he is going to say it before his lips move....

Everything they say and do in this series of Primaries is going to be used against the party pick without a doubt...

How many times do you think this one sound bite is going to be played over and over again if he is the Nominee?

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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more taxes than I did, it's a problem with the tax law, not the man.....I am still with Paul unless it 'splits' the vote, in that case, anybody but Obummer, I feel it's my duty....jmho

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i wonder what % of taxs obama paid on the income earned from his two books,might be interesting to know.

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paid taxes out there on the 'communist news network' along with the GOP and of course it looked favorable in comparison (go figure)

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the we need to take

notice of the people that are playing that sound bite over and over again and hold them accountable for twisting the words.The intent of what he was saying is clear enough,taken at face value,as a whole.

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on all accounts. It isn't just him that it happens to, but every politician....

Well, actually you don't even have to be a politician for them to do it, you just have to be someone who happens to be of public interest for any given amount of time and they will pull that shit...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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yeah i would hate

to be in court with this shit going on if i was the plaintiff,it just aggrevates the crap out of me,just like when the news has to come on after the presidents(or anybodys) address to the nation and tell me what he said,i understand english,i sure don't need some one else trying to spin it for me.

and the republicans keep shooting their dicks off to,newt jumped on the "poor people"sound bite to,wheres the guy that can stand up and lead? a leader would not stoop to that level,a leader would exhibit some fucking class.At least mitt is trying to say something with substance i believe.

now i enjoy a good discussion and i hope i have not offended anyone here.

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you know what they say aboutwhat they can do if they can't take a joke?

lol

anyone getting offended needs to sit down alone and reevaluate their place in this world and exactly what it is about life that has left them in such a state that an open discussion on a web forum disturbs them so much.

really really...

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more.
The "news" is not in the business of giving us usable information, they're in the business of destroying people they do not like. Conservative politicians, Police who ruff up a minority drug crazed criminals, Catholics who prefer to obey their church's teaching.

One thing the "news" media has done DAMN well is convince people that the rich are the bad guys. Rich conservatives. Listen close, you won't hear them bitchin' about the rich lard ass Michael Moore.

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see look at

my last sentence,the media could twist it into a sound bite like this:

LBC limits discussion to select few,offends the entire free world in doing so.

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of a joke I heard. About the Bush witch hunts.

Bush is out jogging near the Potomac when he sees a little boy drowning. Without hesitation, he walks across the water and lifts the boy out, takes him to the bank, and performs CPR.

Next day CNN reports "Bush can't swim" and the main story on MSNBC is "Bush refuses to get wet to save boy."

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Indecision 2012

To be perfectly honest, I don't care about the GOP. Or the Dems. What I care about is the Republic that our founders bequeathed us. But the way I see it, those that affiliate themselves with the Dems these days are socialist, America hating scum (with a few exceptions, natch) and it comes down to a lesser of two evils situation. Many GOP are self serving pricks. But I'll take a candidate that whose vice is to line his/her own pocket over one whose agenda seems to be the destruction of the American Republic and the establishment of the Socialist States of America.
I hope one day Americans will send both parties a pink slip, but until that day comes, and as long as the Dems keep up this agenda, I'll be voting for the GOP.
In other elections, I'd probably vote third party (likely Libertarian) for my conscience, but too much is at stake now. It sucked Obungler got elected to the 1st term, and many of his actions have been ruinous. But I am terrified to think what he will do in a 2nd, when he doesn't have to worry about "4 more".

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:04 PM

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St.JMB, you said:

"Many GOP are self serving pricks. But I'll take a candidate that whose vice is to line his/her own pocket over one whose agenda seems to be the destruction of the American Republic and the establishment of the Socialist States of America."

obama's propaganda machine has succeded.
St.JMB, you can't think of any self serving prick democrats? I'd say the 2 most obvious are Pelosi and obama. The enjoy not only destroying our Republic but also becoming filthy stinking rich at our expense.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:12 PM

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Ron Paul 2012.......

I believe that this man can lead us, where? Where our Constitution meant for us to go......Some would say he is a 'kook' but I say 'thinking outside the box' is just what this country needs, smaller government etc....I'm probably just as crazy as he is, so be it...I reserve judgement on my friends........

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:21 PM

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Yep

I'm with you on that. Hell, if nothing else, let's at least try someone who's not cut from the same cloth as the last decades worth of professional politicians grinning at us while they bend us over.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:15 PM

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I know. Which is why it's so hard to understand how their low-income lemmings keep following them. But I suppose they are blind to the facts due to promises of golden paved streets and rainbow farting unicorns. Yeah, I'm not saying they aren't self-serving, but their anti-American agenda is what has me ready to pick up my rifle, let alone vote against them.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:47 PM

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Thats quite a compliment, and a fact. be interesting to pull this up in a couple of years and see whats become of the deal.. "if" and thats a biggie, the whole eligibility thing gains momentum, and i question that it will, for no other reason than something this momentous should be subject one on every news show.. will see..

Pretty hard not to agree with an sentiments here, and the Daisy, Lucky view of the news can't be argued..that being said. I see a degree of this with Fox as well.. I watch a LOT of news guys and most of that is Fox. They have pretty well "anointed" Mitt as the candidate with less than 5% of the delegates in.. Like most im not locked into any candidate at this time.. Like Newt based on his brilliance, but yep sure does have baggage.. Mitt slipped today, no biggie, and yeah Lucky i agree he didn't do anything wrong.. but should have been sharp enough to never go there with CNN and specially with Soledad..(boy she bungled it.. he gave her a liberal soft ball and she missed it). anyway I just can't see Santorum, and Ron comes off like the goofy gpaw..

Tell you guys something i have a real issue with.. the super packs.. I believe that McCain and Finegold were honest men.. and wanted campaign reform . what we have is the most corrupt.. sorry.. has the potential to be the most corrupt system ever.. No disclosure of who gives to these groups.. Guys thats just sick, the money could be coming from Dubai for all we know.. The real deal is that i've yet to hear one commentator say that there was anything good in the super packs.. Yet there's NO effort to change it.. This one cuts both ways Rep, and Dems, fact is that money elects.. Thats shown over and over.. and we have NO way of knowing on the super packs.. Campaign finance reform, and term limits..when that happens we can all sleep in..

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That why I still like my idea (as crazy as people call it) of removing the current process of candidate selection and implement a national lottery, a "draft" of candidates for Congress and Executive positions. No parties, no organizations, just a random audited drawing of SS#s, a civic duty. Just like jury duty. Obviously, there needs to be a vetting process, but this could secure a handful of candidates who then get some public air time to state their goals. And, boom, election. May not be perfect, but I like it better than what we got.

Good night all, time to turn in.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 11:57 PM

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:11 AM

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Amen Daisy..

I figure that outa "encourage" lucky or the reapster to delete my re re re repeat..

Thats the second time i've done that in as many days.. i really do try to only push that thing once..

Lucky.. can you just delete one post in a thread.. if so be my guest for obvious reasons..

how does one spell SCOTUS judge suiter.. think i was half close.. alex right. maybe thats jeopardy..

Alex .. will take gunsluts for five hundred..

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:16 AM

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Greg a rapper?

OMG Whats next

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:18 AM

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I should have great credibility with you. I wish you and our friends here to know the following, because the post seems to have gotten lost.

Folks--it looks like Romney is not going to receive 50 Florida delegates. The local Republican organizers/operators of the primary, violated an RNC rule that says--for winner-take-all states, they may not run their primaries BEFORE April 1, 2012. The penalty being persued by Gingerich's campaign is to force proportional delegate awards, and that does not make Florida a big win for Romney at all. That's probably why we see Neut smiling, broadly, the last two days.
It gets curiouser and curiouser--does it not??

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 8:45 AM

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LLE wrote:
That's probably why we see Neut smiling, broadly, the last two days.
It gets curiouser and curiouser--does it not??

Division of the thought police......LLE fucked up, I'll be damned......Neut? Really? Ha ha ha ha ha....gotta watch you like a hawk.....LOL!

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 10:10 AM

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against the best of intellectual intentions. You see--I used to refer to Gingerich as Neutron Newt, and that got abbreviated "Neut" rather than "Newt". I will turn in my badge and gun.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:28 AM

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sorry for the right turn.. double taps have to be edited and i should have kept to the thought. ADD kicked in.. I do hope that lucky or reap will delete all that arent thread related, as we have our own time capsule thread.. I heard that same thing, i believe will see this as a 67 / 43 split.. But since FL has already been burnt by the party for the early elections, and since the convention is scheduled there the RNC might not fight that hard.. Newts lawyers will. all in all it just divides the party, and since were clearly looking for the right candidate. and safe to say that no one has really caught fire, this could be the first "brokered" convention of modern times.. again living history..

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:35 AM

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Romney

MHO says its going to take more than Romney to unseat
whats already there as bad as I hate it.
Slick talking Obama will make Romney look like a bazoon
when they face off in the election.
Lord Save Us

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:47 AM

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The alternative ChasW?

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 1:07 AM

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alternative ???

DC I think its going to take some grooming for a candidate
to out fox Obama and they should have started the minute
the past election was over not wait till the last minute.
We know we have the one sided media to contend with so
why are they not prepared ?
Looks like a bad game plan was sent in.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:45 AM

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themselves as gentlemen, American politics is a blood sport. It is a mess now since everyone's favorite candidate has taken his/her turn in the meat grinder, it may get even worse. I for one do not have ill feelings toward any of them for putting the heat on anyone I favored, that's politics.

The media is keeping Republican voters focused on the negative. Just a few minutes ago I tried to read Juan Williams' column. I got just over half way then had to stop. His bare faced racism is more than I can handle.
Earlier on this thread there was a discussion about Romney's response to a CNN question. CNN, as I understand the situation from the thread, editied the response and it came out sounding like Romney is going to love taking food away from poor folk.
If it is true that CNN did that is that a news product that serves America best?

Frankly, anyone who can believe Romney could hold the poor in such disregard has to be retarded. You don't get to the level he's at coming from where he's coming from by mistreating the underprivileged. His life has been too public for that. I am having a hard time making words and computer work in unison.
G'nite

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 12:56 AM

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i honestly believe that all the candidates are good men.. Don't think im nieve here either.. Of course Romney is..When you give as much money as he has to charity .. Come on.. This man is pure, and i believe a good man.. That being said i wish Campaign finace reform was something that disclosed who contributed to the 501's .. wishes were horses huh..

I know this much this is the most important election we'll ever vote in.. The direction and debt of the country is at stake, and unfortunately i do not think most get this.. Will O be in jeopardy.. i doubt it..

Will see..

Lucky reap.. had a double tap.. could you delete the rap thing, and this is a great thread if you want you can delete any NON thread ramble from the geeze.. see you guys tomorrow..

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 1:08 AM

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Hey Mr Greg

makes youre stomach burn dont it

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 5:56 PM

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IMO, you are correct about this election. I believe, however, that if this election is to give us a president who will turn around our major problems, we need to emphacise COMPETENCY, as opposed to goodness/purity. We need only look at Jimmy Carter, to underscore this point. He is a very "good/pure" man, but what about his competency!?------'Nuff said.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 10:14 AM

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HI JACK!!!! in order to remove the castle nut and buffer tube on an AR, do you have to buy that dang tool? or will it budge loose with some pliers and a towel....I just tried with pliers and a towel and its not working, but maybe Im not using enough force....help me out here AR people.

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2 years 22 weeks ago, 10:20 AM

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I'd buy the tool...

That said, you can use a pair of Channel Locks and or a Brass Punch. Once it breaks free it will spin easy, those are Pipe Threads and should turn like it is greased.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
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most castle nuts are staked. Its much easier to use a castle nut wrench.

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