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3 years 29 weeks ago, 3:43 PM

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Like I said in an earlier post, I don't get much time online lately (Today has been a great day for it. Look at all the points I've whored up). One good thing about being in GTMO and working long shifts is it gives me plenty of time to think about different ways to prepare for emergencies when I get back home, and stocking food, water, and other consummables (sp) has been on my mind a lot lately.

I've read about people stocking enough supplies for X number of days, or stocking X pounds of food, but have any of you folks ever thought about it in terms of calories and then further broken it down into calorie source? I'll give a basic idea of what I'm talking about, then I have a suggestion that might make planning and shopping easier on each of us.

The three basic sources of calories are proteins, carbohydrates, and fats. Each person is going to require a different amount of each of the three because of varying states of health, exertions, environment, or other dietary considerations. I'm assuming, in the event of an emergency where social services have been interrupted (Be it a three-week power outage due to snow storms or the zombie chinese muslim democrat apocalypse), that my caloric need will increase because my level of physical labor will increase in the form of cutting fire wood, procuring game or planting and harvesting crops, and in the extreme, protecting my family and community from those who failed to plan and prepare. I assume a minimum of 2,200 calories per day for each member of my family. This may actually be a bit high, but I decided to err on the side of surplus rather than deficit

Each gram of protein and carbohydrates contains about four calories, and each gram of fat contains about nine calories. The next step is to determine what percentage or proportion of your total calories each source needs to provide. You can use the nutrition guide on a food label to help determine your basic needs. The most common amounts I have found for adults and children over the age of four are as follows:

Fat: 65g with no more than 20g coming from saturated fats
Protein: 50g
Carbohydrates: 300g with 25g of that from fiber

That totals about 1980 calories per day, and I chose to add more protein to help get close to the 2200 calories because higher protein intake assists in muscle repair and reduces recovery time after hard physical exertion. My primary source for additional protein will be protein supplement powder because of the additional amino acids it contains.

Based on those numbers, my family of three needs about 6600 calories per day, broken down into the three basic sources as follows:

300g protein
195g fat
900g carbohydrates

for a total of about 6555 calories per day.

This method, I think, makes it easy to determine which foods provide the best proportion of energy sources for your needs. Now, my suggestion for helping each other out. If you have the time and inclination, I suggest jotting down some basic information whenever you open a non-perishable food item and post it in the comments here. Every once in a while, I will copy that information and edit this original post by adding it to the list. that way, members can print off a consolidated list of food items to help them plan their meals and decide what is best to keep for emergencies. I have a few items on an Excell spreadsheet at home, but I don't think the format will transfer over to this site, so I'll just mess with the spacing to try and keep it organized. If this works out well and lots of people contribute, maybe some of the mods can assist me in keeping the consolidated list organized by editing it for me if I can't get online for a bit.

ITEM NAME / NUMBER SERVINGS / CALORIES / FAT / CARBS / PROTEIN / SHELF LIFE

I think this format will work well and for those MS Office Excell fags like me, it's easy to copy and paste into a spreadsheet. Calories and sources are listed as total amount in the package, but it's easy enough to divide each by the number of servings. Will this idea help us to help each other, or am I just completely fucking retarded?

ITEM NAME / NUMBER SERVINGS / CALORIES / FAT / CARBS / PROTEIN / SHELF LIFE

Starkist Tuna Creation Herb and Garlic, 4.5 oz package / 2.5 / 90 / 3g / 2g / 13g / 2.5 years
Kroger chicken noodle soup, 26 oz package / 6 / 60 / 1.5 / 3g / 3g / 2 years

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3 years 29 weeks ago, 12:02 AM

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Is the nutrition info per serving or per package? I like the idea but it seems to me that in most emergencies or disasters that would require my family to depend on our non perishable supplies, I would not have the time or energy to focus on calculating caloric intake that precisely.

I tend to like to focus on long shelf life nutritious full meals in a can such as some soups where you will have a fairly good balance of carbs, protein and fats all in one package.

"...one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one's life [...] even 'til the aggressor’s death. In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one’s life and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act" - Thomas Aquinas
3 years 29 weeks ago, 5:58 AM

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Planning ahead is the best way to ensure you have plenty of food. By planning meals in advance, you can avoid eating the same thing day in and day out. Cans of beef stew may be bearable, but if you have a young child who doesn't undertsnad what's going on, having that spaghetti dinner or those mashed potatoes and gravy will ensure that he or she is eating well. As for the nutrition info, it's per package, and you can just divide the numbers by servings.

I intend to use those servings as a guide only. For instance, the pack of tuna I used in my example (It was the only food I had in my bag on shift yesterday), will be for one person. I don't intend to divide that pack two and a half ways.

The other reason behind this idea is that by knowing the nutritional information and planning meals in advance, you can alter bad dietary habits now. Buy things that provide good nutrition and that you eat normally and rotate your stock. If an emergency does happen, you will have a fairly fresh supply of food that you actually like to eat instead of living for weeks at a time on ramen noodles and beef stew that you bought because they were on sale in bulk.

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 29 weeks ago, 12:20 AM

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are freeze dried nitrogen packed cans if you want super long shelf life (25 years). Mountain House's #10 cans are a good example. You may have seen their products in the camping section for backpackers and the like, but they also sell their products in bulk for several months worth of food if a scenario develops where you need to sit tight for some time. In light of recent government studies that suggest in a nuclear fallout scenario, you're safest in your basement rather than trying to get out of Dodge, or for those of us interested in a long term food supply in case the economy really hits the skids, these may be what you're after.

Note that demand for these items has exploded-the company itself is currently out of stock on ALL of their #10 cans-so you have to find a distributor that actually has them, and may pay more than they are on the company's site. Substitutions for the more popular entrees are common, and you should take a look at the calories in the "6 month" or "3 month" packs. Some of them that say they have food for 3-6 months are only giving you the minimum you will need to maintain your life-not enough to stay healthy, so the calorie intake that is being discussed above is definitely valid for this scenario.

These foods do require a large supply of water though, as they must be rehydrated. You should have a decent tank of water anyway-lack of water will kill you much faster than lack of food.

Nutrition info is per serving.

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3 years 28 weeks ago, 11:05 PM

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Doomguard

Canning food, also helps But it is a lot of work, But in the long run, it is good.

3 years 29 weeks ago, 9:48 AM

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while i do agree with you on this subject, i can't get over the fact that you take it in the ass ....hard

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3 years 29 weeks ago, 11:48 AM

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ebear, how can you not get over the fact hastheruns takes it in the ass.....................your the giver.

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3 years 29 weeks ago, 12:55 PM

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He's a selfish person, always taking, never giving. Just like Nitris's dog. But at least his dog licks me clean when I'm done. Anyone else puke in their mouth just a bit?

"I have always been a soldier. I have known no other life. The calling of arms, I have followed from boyhood. I have never sought another." From The Virtues of War, by Steven Pressfield.
3 years 29 weeks ago, 3:03 PM

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haha gross

thats messed up haha... funny but messed up. I've never really thought of a survival plan if it ever came to a fallout or long power outage... have always lived in the moment even as a kid... but i spose its not a bad idea to think of a survival strategy. i'll have something to think about for the next few days/weeks/ rest of my life possibly lol.

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