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3 years 46 weeks ago, 6:51 PM

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Hey anyone know of a range close to if not already in Virginia where civis like most of us can get a chance to shoot military type firearms? Ya know the basic assault rifles (AK-47 Full Auto,G36 Full Auto) and sniper rifles (M40,SVD) and maybe a few SMG's (MP5,Tommy Gun). I want to get a chance at some of these. I want to do this during my summer break. Plus I will be taking a few of my buddies along and will hopefully get pics and some video of this if I can go depending on work and or other set backs that may appear.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 7:03 PM

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I heard there was a new range that seems like it may offer what you seek in martinsburg WV. Email is info@peacemaker.com

3 years 46 weeks ago, 10:40 AM

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We don't use the AK...

We don't use the AK...or the Tommygun

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 1:34 PM

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I meant military style guns in general. Guns from all over ect. ya know.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 8:20 PM

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We don't use the G36 or the SVD, either. But we do use the AK-47. That is, we as in the US military.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 8:23 PM

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Chinese AK's at that!

hehe

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 8:25 PM

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the AKs I shot with 5th SF Group in Campbell, but they had a bunch of them.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 8:36 PM

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Yugo....

One of the events I was in last year at the 3 Corp Combat marksmanship tournament was to engage with AK's on full-auto.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 8:40 PM

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Now that sounds fuckin' fun. I can't even get my battalion to pay for four soldiers to go shoot the All Army Small Arms Championships. But they'll send people to the Bataan Death March where people commemorate a surrender. Fuck this place.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 8:59 PM

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The Navy Seals and the Military Defense Council of Finland, both selected Norinco of China to supply Chinese type 56 AK-47 rifles, which are virtually identical (except for select-fire components) to the Norinco MAK-90, & without the MAK-90's thumbhole stock).
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No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:01 PM

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They use them for sure...

I just got my first and love it after shooting it for the first time today...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:07 PM

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I don't see any real advantage of this over my M4. It's a debate which will rage forever, but my M4s have always been plenty reliable, and I have had three, count 'em three, AKs with receiver pins walk out under auto fire. Now, all three were Iraqi-made copies, and you don't exactly hear about Iraqi AKs next to Russian, Yugo, or Chinese copies, so I'm sure those were garbage even for the Kalashnikov world. My Stoner-design has served me well and the only change I'd like to see army-wide is (NO, NOT THAT RETARDED PISTON SHIT!!!) our rifles chambered in something more substantial than 5.56, maybe 6.8 or 7.62 NATO. Then again, the new 5.56 EPR is supposed to be the shit, so maybe we're gonna be alright.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:14 PM

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SWEET!

About twice the kick as the M4 if that... Not one FTF or FTE, ripping through 20 round mags as fast as you could swap em...

$$$$ though, worth it for knowing it is going to function averytime. For the life of me I do not understand why they do not get this issued.

6.8 is very nice also though it did choke up a few times trying to stuff two rounds into the chamb at the same time. Think it was the mags, feed lips allowing the next round down to be pulled forward under the top round chambering...?...

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:22 PM

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I can see it

Mags are probably the biggest weakness in the weapon. I'd like to see Magpul P mags issued army-wide and get rid of the ridiculous aluminum shits.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:32 PM

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Runaway......

I don't think I would dare compare the AK and the M-4.... Besides pissing a lot of people off with pure opinion, I don't see the need. I chose to get both, they both have strong and weak points IMHO. As for the shooting in the tournament, this is in the event you have a catastrophic failure or run out of ammo. I used to make my team drill with every foreign weapon I could get my hands on. AK's VS. M-4's are apples and oranges, both are fruit and made to eat..... that is about it for comparison.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:33 PM

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Mags...

I strongly agree with runaway on his Magazine statement...

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:46 PM

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lol, just kidding...

use PMags in the 556 patrol too, never an issue...

Oh, RAG (ha, acronym, not needle) 20 rounds Saiga drums running $109.00 at Cole's Gun Shop. Not sure what it is online, but if Tosso can sell them walk in at that price you should be able to find them at the same price on the web I'm sure. As long as the Libbers do not screw it up before you get home...

Heard a rumor that BATF is going to go after them because they do not like civies running around with 12 gauges with 21 rounds in them...

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:57 PM

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I was looking for someone crazy -er, lucky- enough to trade a Rem 1100 Tactical for my Saiga, but maybe I'll hold onto it and see what happens. Never know, maybe I'll be able to trade it for a couple guns.

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3 years 46 weeks ago, 9:58 PM

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increasing in value to almost pay for a can. Nice.

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3 years 45 weeks ago, 2:01 PM

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They are civies too.

3 years 45 weeks ago, 2:10 PM

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Fed's, LE, FR, and other Government Agents are allowed a different set of rules as far as weapons and such.

But, what is your point about them being Civilians?

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3 years 45 weeks ago, 2:13 PM

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you are right

But I just like to remind them from time to time

3 years 45 weeks ago, 3:30 PM

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IronMilke..

without a doubt....

I shoot with a couple of ICE, FBI off and on, durring IPSC weekly matches. It is kind of funny just how some think they are going to be at the top when they first come out. But after about three times they realize they do not shoot anywhere near as much and it shows.

We have a 15 year old boy, Justin, who stays in the middle and is slowly creeping up a shooter at a time. He blows them away and it is funny sometimes with the looks and comments they give him.

No sir, he fell into that bullet... Never argue with a stupid person. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!
3 years 45 weeks ago, 4:41 PM

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Yes. Sounds. Like you shoot quite a bit.. I could have seen that from your moniker..ISD...I am glad to hear that young man is shooting well. it is nice to see that some young ladies have taken well to the sport too. It points to a bright future.

3 years 45 weeks ago, 5:04 PM

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ISD...

I know exactly what you mean... My family is friends with a lot of LEO's from various departments. One time I was invited to one of their ( informal) shooting compatitions. I blew 90% of them away with borrowed guns. LOL!

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:16 PM

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From what I understand, some in F-Troop think it's the same as the USAS-12 or Striker-12, and since those were both reclassed, the Saiga should be also. We'll see, I guess.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 3:46 PM

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Runaway..

I read the report that everyone was pointing to about the Saiga-12, and it should be safe. It is imported with a 5 round magazine and is sent in a sporter configuration. It meets the criteria for what is allowed, biggest issue as I can see, is there is no longer a licensed importer. Atleast that's what I've been told.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 4:50 PM

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When is someone going to take those morons to task for making their own rules infringing on our rights? Of course I won't because, well, I'm a bitch. Oh. And I'm not an elected official. That's it, I'm going to start sending emails.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 5:23 PM

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Yup!!!!

That sounds like a bitch to me. :)

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 6:36 PM

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siaga reclasification?

i havent heard anything about this,can someone fill me in?as far as "sporting purposes" goes,(1)how can somone who hates guns and never shoots say what "sporting purposes" would be?(2)why does it have to be a sporting gun?the 2nd amendment dosnt say we have the right to keep and bear sports equipment...

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 7:18 PM

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Saiga reclass rumor

It was going around for a bit that the BATFE was considering reclassifying the Saiga-12 as a destructive device as it's design and function may not allow it to fit into the "sporting purposes" they have for shotguns. The USAS-12, Striker-12 "Streetsweeper", and another shotgun (The SPAS-12 maybe?) fell under this and aren't available as normally-purchased shotguns.

Because the Saiga comes with a straight stock and five round factory mag, this issue will probably go away, but I wouldn't put it past the boys at F-Troop to figure out how to do it anyway.

Personally, I still can't understand why any agency is allowed to get away with making these requirements when the second amendment says absolutely zero about sporting purposes.

The capitalist side of me says "Woo hoo, if they reclassify it, I'll go with the registration, hang on to the gun for a couple years, and sell it or trade it for enough to put me on the right track to my SASS rifle and supressor combo. The American side of me says I'm going to start sending emails and calling to see why we can't get these ridiculous and obviously unconstitutional rules thrown out.

Speaking of my rifle and supressor setup, if you have agreed to be in my cult, I'll be needing those membership dues. I found an old US Gov't missile silo with 210 acres for 2.8 million bucks, so now we have our underground shelter that noone, not even the government knows about.

Oh. Wait. Nevermind.

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3 years 44 weeks ago, 8:11 PM

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thanks for the info,thats bs that they make these dumb rules.about those dues...i might be a little late.haha realy realy realy late.lol.

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