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S&w da .45

I have come across a S&W da 45 it is stamped on the top of the barrel smith and wesson springfeild mass, patented dec.17 1901,feb 6 1908, sep 14 1909. on the left side of barrle it is stamped S&W DA .45. on the bottom of the barrel it is stamped US GOVERMENT. there is a number under the cylinder lock on the bottom of barrel 152275 that same number is on the insinde back of the cylinder. can anyone give me any info on this gun.

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3 years 3 days ago, 10:41 AM

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my guess

is a S&W model 22, production began in 1917,discontinued in 1950,N frame 45ACP,known as the Model 45 Army.

compare what you have to this http://www.gunsinternational.com/Smith-Wesson-1917-US-Army-Model-45-ACP....

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3 years 3 days ago, 4:52 PM

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Thanks for the info I put a 45 acp in the cylinder and the ejector would not touch the casing is there a different acp round other than that i use in my 1911

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3 years 3 days ago, 7:29 PM

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I believe that

comes from having to use a full mon clip,or half moon clip with the .45acp.The ejector star cannot reach,individual cartridges would have to be manually removed.How did it compare to the link .45 revolver?

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3 years 3 days ago, 5:14 PM

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I think the made a few of these in .45 long Colt

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3 years 2 days ago, 5:24 AM

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the gun lookes a lot like it. the one i have looks as if the grips have been replaced with some cheep plastic ones. over all the gun is in good condition almost as good as the one on the link. would this gun bee a keeper or is there any collector value to it

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3 years 2 days ago, 10:20 AM

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I'd keep it,find some fullmoon or half moon clips and shoot the hell out of it,but the gun in the link is selling for 1000 bucks,so....Check www.gunbroker.com see what a 1917 S&W Army model is selling for

found this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=261808614

or this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=262442655

The top is NOT a hand ejector model,the bottom is.If anything you have a gun that has pretty good collectable value,good resale value too.Does the gun have the lanyard ring below the grip? Take the grips off and have a look,see if it has been cut down or the cheap grips cover anything up.I would think grips would be available,although you would want to have an origional set,not new.

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3 years 2 days ago, 4:29 PM

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.45

You can use .45 Auto Rim in it.

3 years 2 days ago, 6:46 PM

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Ironmike15 wrote:
You can use .45 Auto Rim in it.

here is a link, http://www.ammoengine.com/find/index/handgun/45_Auto_Rim damned expensive shooting!Good show on the info Mike,!

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3 years 2 days ago, 4:49 PM

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age of your pistol

US Army serial number range 1-169959. So yours maybe one of those. Does your pistol have a flaming bomb on the left side of the frame in front of the hammer?

3 years 2 days ago, 5:35 PM

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In my catalog I just read that if the S&W trade mark is stamped on the pistol, it is a commercial variation, because the military versions did not have the trademark. Serial numbers 1-209791. Produced from 1917-1946. They were reintroduced in 1946-1950.. serial numbers S209792-S210782. And later again in 1951-1966. They had an S prefix as well...and a large S&W trademark on the side plate..S85000-S263000. Well, I hope you are confused by now... !!!!

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No flaming bomb on the left side.I took of the Cheap plastic grips off and it does have a place to install a laynard. it is also stamped us army model 1917 and the serial # 152275 have any sugjestions as to were i can get some original grips thank Jim

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3 years 2 days ago, 6:01 PM

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1917 grips

Ebay,get 'em quick! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smith-Wesson-1917-Checkered-Walnut-Square-Butt-G...

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3 years 2 days ago, 6:26 PM

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Just ordered a set thanks so much for tha info . would you keep it in original shape (bluing is a little week at end of barrel) or would you reblue it . i also came into a lver johnson firearms& cycle works 22 have never herd of them have you?

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3 years 2 days ago, 6:40 PM

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do not reblue

the value will decrease quite alot,keep it oiled,if you haven't shot it yet,have a local gunsmith look it over for any deficencies( i just use a magnifying glass myself looking for cracks or fatigue).Funny while looking at Gunbroker i put a bid on a 1950 model 336 Marlin lever action in 35 Remington,damn nice rifle.I don't know much about that Iver Johnson 22 but they made a lot of rifles.glad to help.

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3 years 2 days ago, 6:49 PM

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it is actually a 22 revolver you have been a lot of help Thanks again Jim

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2 years 51 weeks ago, 9:33 PM

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what is the calber of the Thompson m,gun. and how is the rounds

2 years 50 weeks ago, 10:12 PM

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Mine isn't original, but a reproduction. It's .45 acp and has 30 round stick and a 50 round drum.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 12:07 AM

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quick info on the 1917

I love this piece.. made by both Smith and Colt.. both of them use either the rimmed and expensive auto rim or standard 45 acp with half (or full) moon clips.. a real handful, and a piece of history..

We sent a bunch over to the brits in 455.. but you rarly see these, even at big shows.. the lanyard ring (and grips) are available thru brownells, or pick up a copy of SGN, and you will see a couple of reliable and cheap sources for both..

Old guns rock.. there's something about shooting a 100 year old gun (not the 1917 of course) welcome to check my pics for some old guns that still get used..

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 5:43 PM

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U.S Army model 1917

Thanks for the info on the 1917. a freind of ours wants me to sell it for her but i like it to much. i have no idea how much it is worth. i dont know any gun smiths or a gun shop that i would feel good about taking it to to get it apraised. the gun is in good shape with some were on the finish at the end of the barrel. I know that it is worth more to a collector , but thats not me. do you have any idea what the gun would be worth? thanks again Jim

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 6:18 PM

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your 1917 jim

if its in parkerized finish, and the lanyard ring then with description you mentioned. it might be worth some fairly serious money.. a few years ago these (both Colt and Smith) were traded in perfect condition below 500..

that has all changed, all WWII weapons took a HUGE jump in price starting in the late 80's early 90's.. I just finished looking at my "blue book of gun values".. and didn't get any thing definitive to tell you as there are so many different applications of this piece..

as an example here.. I personally collect the "victory" model Smith.. these are the 38 version of your 45. on a K as opposed to N frame (jim this just means a smaller ie lighter frame) the Victory like the 1917 was produced in the 6 figure quantity.. and prices on these vary based not just on condition, but also if the weapon was likely issued during the war .. Most were not..

im rambling.. you have something thats worth between less than 5 hundred to less than 3K at the top end.. if its in blue you can look at the lower figure.. good luck, do your research and keep us posted..

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 6:47 PM

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The gun i have is blued i looked up the serial # 152275 and it was made in 1918 but again i dont know were to look for anything else about the gun. the finish looks to be about 60 to 80% the lanyard swivel is not there i replaced the cheap plastic grips with some orig walnut grips . all the lettering on the gun is very readable and on the but it is stamped U.S Army model1917 and the serial # I think that it is so cool holding a piece of history. thanks again for all the info Jim

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 7:12 PM

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contact S&W, pay the fee and have it's original history info sent to you. (where it went after leaving the factory) Running down the history of a specific firearm is and isn't hard depending on how much you want to know about it. If it was actually issued you could discover to what unit and where the unit was located, where the unit went and so on. If it was actually Army issued you might be able to get it's history while still under Military control.

Unless your going to sell it, keep it, love it, enjoy it, play with it, but always, always remember to wipe it down before putting it away.

Reaper has gummed up more guns forgetting that second to last step after playing with one.

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 1:31 AM

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that wasn't "gum"

Raper left in his guns after he played with them.....yeack!

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its called dry lube

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 8:59 AM

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HA!

lol

Hey I found out a neat little bit of info.

If any of ya'll ever pick up a Piston driven anything new. Pull the piston out and wipe it down and wipe the inside of the piston block. They do not say anything about it in the manual but, seems they Dip the Piston into Lube because it is two dissimilar metals and they do not know how long the weapon will sit before sale to the first buyer. If you do not check that and make sure it is dry as the whole weapon runs dry, it will be a nasty lesson.

I put 4 mags through the SR556 and it started jambing which drove me up a wall. I looked everything over and could not figure out the cause on the firing line so I bagged it up until I took it home. Shot the 308, Sig 556, IBM M1, Mossberg and thought over and over about what in hell could be causing a new rifle to jamb like it was.

Got home, broke it down and wiped it all drown, par normal something was screwy. I was trying to pull the Piston out to wipe it down and the damn thing wouldn't budge. I had to use a punch and Leather mallet to tap it out. The piston and Piston chamber were coated it 1/16 inch of lube hardened to the point that I have to use bore cleaner to soak them and brass brushes to clean them and get each back to their natural state of nice new Chrome finish.

Talked with Billy and he laughed his ass off then explained it is common practice with Piston guns and they do not always mention it in the factory manual.

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After a while of not playing with them pull them out and wipe down...................TY

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2 years 50 weeks ago, 7:30 PM

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ISD thanks for the info abuot the history the more people i lalk to the more info i get as to were to look Thanks alot Jim

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First off ISD is absolutely correct on getting the "providence" from smith.. they charge 30 dollars, and it takes awhile.. 6-8 weeks, but worth it..

some definitive on it from blue book of gun values, Smith called it the .45 hand ejector (model 1917) following is litteral from that source.

.45 auto rim, or 45 ACP in half moon clips, 6 round, 5 1/2" bbl fixed sights, satin blue on military, and high gloss on commercial smooth walnut on military, checkered on commercial (this part is important Jim) early military revolvers have concentric groove cut on the side of the hammer, approx serial range 1-15000.. so your in that range.. prices shown (this is the new 32 edition go from 650 for a 60% to 1020 for 80%..

pretty close to what i had guessed, but an addendum that early military (the concentric grove thing) go up 20-25%. you have a winner... shoot it, and enjoy..

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I guess i screwed up I bought a pair of grips for a 1917 online and they stated they were orignal. but the were walnut checkered oh well live and learn , i had to get rid of the plastic ones that were on it. again thaks for the info. Jim

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Nope., your fine as you can swap them out at the next gun show for smooth.. "don't sweat the small stuff" is rule one..

you have a more collectible 1917 than i thought to start with.. and i've had a couple of them.. (both of mine were colts) check for the "concentric grove" thing.. i had never heard of that before.. the army acceptance and serial number are the big plus factors on your piece..

I would suggest you follow up on the providence letter per above.. get the right grips down the road.. don't let anyone talk you into re-bluing..shoot and enjoy.. oh yeah one other thing.

If you enjoy guns come on in and join the party.. post some pictures of the Smith, girl friend (just kidding..sorta)

In other words this is your formal invitation to join us.. only thing is you have to lose that "confused" thing.. we all are aleady, so you need a new name.. get your self an avatar and join the group..

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thanks for the invite . the confused thing goes way back i quit a real good job about 15 years ago and got my CDL and started driving a big rig. one of my buddies asked why i did such a thing? I told him this is what i had always wanted to do. he told me then that i must be confused and it stuck ever since.

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http://www.gun-parts.com/grips2/

Call this guy and he probably has or can get a set of the Grips you're wanting.

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good story on the name.I once cashed in my wife and I's 401ks and hit the road "went looking for America".Made it to New Ulm,28 miles away,there is a brewery there,we had a beer,went back home,fucking 401ks.

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Sorry to lol, but that is pretty funny.

Confused, it sounds to be like you made the right choice. Like Confucius said, "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."

I sometimes wonder if I shouldn't have done the same long ago.

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