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5 years 34 weeks ago, 8:09 AM

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I don't know but the circumstances that surround this out break are fishy.

http://us.mc654.mail.yahoo.com/mc/showMessage?fid=Inbox&sort=date&order=...,

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5 years 34 weeks ago, 8:11 AM

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oops bad link

here is a cut and paste.

Flu Bug

If you sell crack, join a gang, or rob the mob you can expect to die a violent death, but if you listen to your mother, eat all the right foods, and study hard in college to become a microbiologist, you should expect to live to a ripe old age and die peacefully.

That being the case, a few eyebrows were raised when five microbiologists either disappeared or died mysteriously violent deaths in 2001. A short time later the number rose to 19, and then 29.

They were found stabbed to death in the trunks of cars, thrown off bridges, or they wrapped their cars around trees after their brake fluid disappeared. Once again, this is the stuff of Hollywood spy stories, and not the way you would expect a microbiologist to give up the ghost.

By 2005, we lost 40 micro-biologists in less than 4 years, all under suspicious circumstances, and during this time someone discovered that they were all working for the government, or government contractors, on projects related to bio-terrorism, flu pandemics, or anthrax. Obviously they weren’t trying to find a cure for anything, or there would be no need to silence them.

Then it was discovered that our government was involved in strange experiments that involve exhuming bodies of people that were killed by the 1918 Spanish flu, and genetically engineered flu viruses, all the while the media is preparing the public with stories of bird flu wiping out thousands of chickens (acid test?) and even a few people here and there.

People who are becoming accustomed to the practices and motives of our criminal government tried to warn you of an impending flu pandemic, but your TV training taught you to dismiss them all as "crazy conspiracy theorists," and you naturally associated all their warnings with stories of Bigfoot and UFO abductions, just as you were trained to do.

The good folks of FEMA predicted a need for a few million plastic coffins, which are now spread out across the country, but despite this revelation, most of America still thinks their biggest concern is a toss up between the Super Bowl and American Idol.

Well it seems as if the crazy conspiracy theorists were right again, because the world-wide flu pandemic they were warning you about has been unleashed, and it will dominate the headlines until millions, if not billions of people are dead. It won’t be stopped because no one with the means to stop it wants to stop it.

Wash your hands often, pull your kids out of school, avoid crowds, if not people altogether, avoid alcohol or drugs that will weaken your resistance, and stay well-nourished.

Two of the goals here are to cull the population, and to encourage general mayhem and misery that only a World Government can save you from. You’ll be so worn out and tired of death and depression that you’ll offer little resistance to the new order. The economic collapse and World War three are part of the same plan, and it’s all been tried before. It’s the same crew behind this latest attempt, and it’s not difficult to see who’s behind it all, once again.

This flu pandemic that will soon cause people to drop like flies is no mutated bird flu. It’s a genetically engineered virus designed to kill as many people as possible. And after people do start dropping like flies, political dissidents will be accused of being flu carriers and no one will object to them being hauled away. Good luck. -- Jolly Roger

Here’s an interesting link:
http://www.legitgov.org/flu_oddities_shortnews.html
if you start at the bottom of the page and work your way up you’ll see a nice collection of news articles that document the entire process of creating and testing a flu bug that will wipe out millions of people.
(or at least that part of the process that's revealed to the public)

Thanks to Lori Price of legitgov.org for compiling these articles

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5 years 34 weeks ago, 8:39 AM

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What are their names? What are the circumstances? Where are the news reports? Where is the verification? The trouble with conspiracies is that you can say anything, factual or not, and people will believe it. In fact, the fewer facts, the better.

Today, in our 'modern' culture, we have experienced a loss of faith in our institutions, whether it is family, church, or government. We like to feel that we are superior to those institutions, that they have failed us, and that they were a product of a more naive time. We snear at a lot of religious beliefs (I certainly do! I mean this sincerely.) We have rocked the foundations of family by both splitting it up, changing the players, and ignoring its percepts. Government is, of course, run by losers. We are no longer 'patriotic' to our countries. In short, we question the very foundations of our culture.

But, I think, we still need a structure around our lives. Left with nothing, we will fall back and re-group. One of the fundamental pre-requisites of a society is a shared perception of reality. When we don't have one, we make it up. So, for example, the gang structure in ghettos makes up for the lack of respect for broken family. It provides a feeling of belonging. You wear the same colors as the next guy and he becomes your 'brother.' Same with the Marine Corps, by the way.

So we cannot trust our government. Indeed, it is not allowed, so what do we do? If The government tells us something, it MUST be a lie, therefore we make up a conspiracy to provide that lack of governmental structure as an alternative explanation. Truth is not the issue here. When you've got a conspiracy on your hands, anything goes. Anything is plausible. As like minds turn over this conspiracy theory they begin to see a shared sense of reality and form a kind of church around them. It fills a gap.

This is not just me talking. The basic percepts of this were given long ago in an article by D.F. Aberle, et al, "The functional prerequisites of a society," (Ethics, Vol 60, January, 1950, pp 100-111.) which is required reading for any anthropology student. Other prerequisites include, for example, 'the effective control of disruptive forms of behavior' and 'the regulation of affective expression.' (Who gets the women.)

I won't bore you with more detail, but the basic idea is that when we no longer have supportive structures around us, we'll find a way to get them back.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
5 years 34 weeks ago, 9:00 AM

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Schuyler

That is a really well thought out and intelligent response. You're a very good thinker when you put your mind to it. I myself have seen so many conspiracy theories come and go it's impossible to keep track of them. The Watergate scandal was a real conspiracy and so it spawned two things in this country we may have to live with forever now. The first is the concept of the so-called, Investigative Reporter. With the fame of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein suddenly every journalist major in America since has believed they could be the next "Woodstein". The second thing is an eruption of conspiracy theories for all these, uhm investigative reporters to have something to do.
Just some thoughts.

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5 years 34 weeks ago, 9:26 AM

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schuyler

Well said, and in few words. 1950, however wasn't that far ago.

(You have to look behind all of that outer space stuff)
5 years 34 weeks ago, 9:30 AM

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Schuyler

Here is a video of the Muslim demographics. Sort of tails onto your post regarding religion, families, etc.
We are rapidly being outnumbered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

5 years 34 weeks ago, 9:41 AM

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yeah soooooo.....

conspiracies have to start somewhere.
Not saying I believe or don't believe just starting a conversation about something that's all over the news now.

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5 years 34 weeks ago, 1:48 PM

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I'm on my county's emergency management list by virtue of being a HAM radio operator. They sent us the following, which I thought might be of interest on several levels. 1.) It's very funny in places. 2.) It shows how our local government is reacting. 3.) Who knows? It might even be useful. Not sure about #3. The formatting is a little difficult because it went from Word to Notepad to here:

April 28, 2009

Dear Kitsap County Residents and Employees,

The Kitsap County Health District (KCHD) is in close contact with the Washington State Department of Health (DOH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) regarding swine influenza in parts of the United States, Canada, and Mexico. The district is working closely with our partners around the state to monitor cases of pneumonia and influenza to see if they’re due to this new infection. Health care providers and laboratories in Washington have been asked to watch for influenza, especially in people who traveled to Mexico or other affected areas.

What is swine flu?

Influenza A viruses causes illness in humans and many animals.

* Some influenza A viruses are adapted to pigs and cause respiratory illness in them, and so have been called “swine flu.”
* Viruses that cause swine flu do not normally infect humans, although rare human infections with swine flu have occurred.
* The swine influenza virus that is being investigated now is different than the virus that causes illness in pigs and is not being transmitted from pigs to humans. This new swine flu influenza virus appears to be more able to be transmitted person-to-person.
* Human symptoms for this new type of swine flu are similar to the symptoms of regular human influenza that happens every year. Those include fever, cough and sore throat. In addition, fatigue, lack of appetite, runny nose, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea have been reported.
* The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has determined that the swine flu virus causing mild illness in some states is the same strain as the virus causing an outbreak of respiratory illness among humans in some areas of Mexico.

Are there cases of this new swine influenza in Washington state or Kitsap County?

* There are no known cases of swine influenza in people in Washington so far.
* There are no known cases of swine influenza in people in Kitsap County so far.
* Local health care providers and labs have been asked to be on the look out for influenza A cases, especially in people who recently traveled to Mexico or states with cases of human swine flu.
* The Department of Health has not seen an increase in the number of flu cases in Washington.

Can people catch this new swine flu from eating pork?

* No. This new swine influenza virus is not transmitted by food. It is transmitted from person-to-person like human influenza viruses.
* You can not get swine influenza from eating pork or pork products. Eating properly handled and cooked pork and a pork product is safe.

Current status of outbreak

* As of April 28, 2009, about 64 cases of swine flu infections have been confirmed in people living in five states: California; Texas; Kansas; New York City, and Ohio. No deaths due to this virus have been found in the United States. (See CDC website for current information - www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm.) Cases have also been confirmed in Canada.
* Swine flu infections have been documented in Mexico, but it is not yet known if all of the fatal or hospitalized respiratory illness cases are actually due to this swine flu. This is being investigated.
What can people do to avoid getting sick?
* There are no known cases in Washington State but precautions to avoid transmitting respiratory illnesses should be taken.
* This new swine flu virus is spread person-to-person. Infection occurs when the virus gets into the airways and lungs. However, it isn’t known how easily the virus spreads. As with any infectious disease that is spread through the human respiratory system, health officials recommended the following precautions:
-- Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it;
-- Wash your hands often with soap and water frequently, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective;
-- Try to avoid close contact with sick people;
-- If you get sick, stay home and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them;
-- Avoid touching your eyes, nose, or mouth.
-- These are the same precautions that should be taken to stop transmitting all influenza viruses and other viruses that are transmitted from the respiratory tract.

How do people get it?

* Although this new virus has been called “swine flu virus,” it is not transmitted from pigs to humans. It is transmitted person-to-person.
* Flu and other respiratory infections are transmitted when people cough and sneeze, spreading germs through the air, or onto surfaces that others can come in contact with.

Will government be issuing a travel advisory?

* The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued a travelers’ health notice for Mexico and states where there have been swine influenza cases. This is to inform travelers that an outbreak of respiratory illness is occurring and that precautions should be taken. The CDC recommends that U.S. travelers avoid all nonessential travel to Mexico.
* Travelers should follow the same precautionary measures that are recommended to protect against seasonal influenza – frequent hand washing, covering coughs and sneezes, and staying home when ill. For more information about the CDC health notice and travel precautions go to http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm#travel

What do I do if I’ve been to Mexico or the U.S. and I have symptoms of a respiratory illness?

* If you have recently been to Mexico or affected areas in the U.S. and have symptoms of influenza such as fever, cough, and sore throat, you should contact your health care provider to discuss your symptoms. Make sure to tell your health care professional about your travel history.

Are there medicines to treat swine flu?

* Yes, there are effective medicines to treat all human influenza viruses and this new swine influenza virus.
* Whether a person with influenza needs to take one of these medicines is a decision that must be made by the patient and their health care provider.
* These medicines are generally used to prevent serious flu complications such as pneumonia and work best if started soon after getting sick (within 2 days of symptoms).
* In addition, in special situations, these medicines may be used to prevent a person from getting ill or infected from this new swine flu.
* A vaccine to prevent people from getting this new type of flu has not yet been developed.

What Is the Kitsap County Health District (KCHD) Doing to Prepare?

1. We are keeping the medical community informed as new information is received:

* We receive 24 hour State Department of Health (DOH) alerts whenever new information from the Center for Disease Control or the World Health Organization is available.
* We will provide timely information from these updates to medical providers, emergency rooms, urgent cares and other health care organizations so they will know how to respond if they see patients who might have the swine flu.
* We are also participating in daily conference calls with DOH and Public Health Districts throughout Washington State to ensure that we are informed and ready to respond collectively if the need arises.
* We are updating our website and our emergency information line as new information becomes available so that everyone in the community can take appropriate actions to keep themselves and their families safe.
* We are receiving stockpiles of both masks and antiviral medications to use as needed.

2. If a swine flu emergency occurred that affected our community, the KCHD will:

* Work with Kitsap County Department of Emergency Management and other community partners to identify the vaccinations or medications necessary to protect the public.
* Investigate cases of the flu in order to stop their spread and possibly issuing orders for isolation/quarantine, school closure or other social distancing precautions to keep as many people well as possible.
* Deliver health alerts and treatment guidelines to health care providers who may need to treat unexpectedly large numbers of sick people.
* Communicating alerts and instructions to the general public through local media, our website and our Health Information Line (877-256-4859).
Where I can find more information?
* Centers for Disease Control hotline at 1-800-CDC-INFO (232-4636).
* The travel health notice for Mexico and areas of the United states issued by the CDC can be found at http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm#travel
* Additional information can be found at:
-- Kitsap County Health District Webpage at http://www.kitsapcountyhealth.com/
-- Washington state Department of Health www.doh.wa.gov
-- U.S. Centers for Disease Control at www.cdc.gov/swineflu/investigation.htm;
-- World Health Organization www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html.

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5 years 34 weeks ago, 2:40 PM

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I'm trying to embed the video here. If that does not work, I'll edit it out. the URL for the piece is below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5-Y08qbjo&feature=player_embedded

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5 years 34 weeks ago, 3:07 PM

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Okay

So you can all believe what you like but my Dad just crossed the boarder from Mexico into Yuma AZ. He was not asked were he had been, how he felt, if he had seen any sick people, nothing!!! They asked him if he had fruits, veggies, meat or tobacco. This whole thing smells fishy to me.

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5 years 33 weeks ago, 9:23 AM

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I told you

I told you , I told you , I told you so..lol

What a crock of shit

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