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3 years 51 weeks ago, 1:55 AM

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I am looking for any advice you folks can give me on target shooting and what sights to use. I am using a 1911A1 clone from Rock Island Armory. It is a 9mm Tactical with Novak style sights installed from the factory. It seems to be very accurate as is, but I am looking at improving upon this. I see a lot of the guys and gals from the professional community using reflex red dots on their pistols. Is there an advantage to these? What are the acceptable price ranges of these type of sights? Any help out there?!?!

3 years 51 weeks ago, 7:51 AM

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I would stick with open sights... You will get better with practice, almost impossable to carry with optics, and IMO there is relly no need. I would spend the money on improvements to the weapon. IE.. Better trigger, upgrade the springs, checking the gap between the barrel and bushing... ECT.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 2:03 PM

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ronin has pointed out some very real considerations.

It really depends on how you look at the games. Is it a Competition against everyone else, or is it more of a competition against yourself?

Lot's of the guy's shooting use Red Dots and Race gun's. Some make use of High end Target sights, some others use carry guns.

I learned with regular old sights, and started using Night Sites on a carry gun, which showed that I pick them up really quick in day light because of the size of the white rings around the tritium centers.

Personally I'm with Ronin, learn how to shoot without the Gimic's. Build your skills and then down the road if that is something you want to play with and have the extra money go ahead and try it.

But, if your not sure of your abilities without a Red Dot, then I wouldn't build shooting skills upon something that can fail. Then your SOL when it does fail....

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 2:14 PM

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I agree with ISD and Ronin. And I also would say stick to open sights. If you want to spend cash on your 1911 I suggest upgrades such as a Wilson Combat full lenght guide rod for example,maybe some extra mags, match grade barrel ect. And if you must upgrade your sights then get Night sites and dont go any further on it...sight wise. I really suggest getting used to open sights on your 1911.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 2:19 PM

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The action pistol organizations have different classes for different guns. You can stick with regular open sights and you won't be scored against guys using 3,000 dollar tuned race guns with optics.

If you're talking about red dot sights that replace the rear sight for defensive use, then those can have advantages over irons, but also disadvantages. The defensive red dot sights don't require special holsters or anything else, but they really haven't been around long enough to prove their reliability yet. Laser sights were the same way when they first came out.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 2:24 PM

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it would be a laser....but there is no type of mount on my 1911 so I would have to get a laser guide rod...costly...costly...costly...

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 2:54 PM

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or crimson trace grips

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 3:02 PM

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Crimson Trace would be excellent but as always Costly...Costly...costly..

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 2:55 PM

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Good iron sights will not break, run out of batteries, or wash out on certain backgrounds/lighting conditions (bright white light, as in you using a flashlight to illuminate your target).

Lasers and red dots, even the very best, will do all the above.

I've never seen any practical handgun application where a laser or dot sight made the person a better/quicker shooter vs. being trained with iron sights. Competitions? Yeah they'll do alllll sorts of things that don't apply to the 'social' use of the pistol.

I'd look into a weapon-mounted light before any sort of electronic sight.

The Ashley/XS iron sights are a very quick setup if you don't mind training up on them.

3 years 51 weeks ago, 3:04 PM

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Reflex sights are expensive at $400.+,depends on what type shooting you are doing,is there any money to be won? I shot a S&W model 10 with fixed sights for the first 7 years i was shooting competitively in PPC league,i got real good shooting that,the guys with the $3,000 dollar race guns shook their heads,but i was spending my money on ammo and range time.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 3:10 PM

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anyone see those razor cats with red dots last night? Are those STI's or STI hybrids? I read that limcat makes the frame, but don't know any more about them...

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 3:34 PM

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Limcat custom, fun looking,I don't know if they are a Frankenstein or what.

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3 years 51 weeks ago, 2:33 AM

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Thank You To All

Thanks, the comments given have helped me out quite a bit in making the decision. I especially liked the comment made by Ishootdaily, you are right, it should be learning to be proficient first and competitive second. After all, you have to be proficient to be competitive! Most of the shoots in my area are for fun or at the most trophies and neither of these will pay for any upgrades I may want to make in the future. Again, I would like to thank all of you for the feedback, it has been very useful!

3 years 38 weeks ago, 12:31 AM

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Thanks Again!

I took all of you folks advice and spent some time on the range, it certainly helped! I print off my own targets and started using the four dot ones from the Outdoor Channel as a start of the day. Then transition to one that is using a red ring from Remington to follow up for accuracy. I now am consistently in the 9 and 10 ring of a circle of 6" with some actually in the bullseye area at 25 yards. I also found this excercise to work especially well with my TZ 75 Model 88. Thanks to all of you for your advice.

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